Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Chro]

I mean, at this point, we have three main things to go off of: the obvious color photo, the website error, and the "new theme" idea. But what if the first is a trick, the second is a mistake, and the third is something new?

1. No trick; 100% legitimate

2. Perhaps; inconsequential

3. Perhaps; also inconsequential

[Zaktan of the Shadows]

Hey everyone. I haven't logged onto this site for 4 whole years. With this news of BIONICLE coming back, I feel I have to make my comeback. BIONICLE was a big part of my childhood and this news is extremely exciting, even though it's not the longest hiatus and Hero Factory was honestly pretty great.

Having the main six back again is definitely a highlight of the leaks and set lists. Those are definitely my favorite characters.

Also, I wouldn't mind a reboot but I would definitely prefer a continuation. Not a direct continuation obviously. But I mean, pretty much all the plot points minus the new unfinished serials were wrapped up back in 2010. Even the search for the Great Beings doesn't actually rely too much on past knowledge of the previous Bionicle universe and doesn't have to be complicated.

It could take place in the near or far future. They can acknowledge the past without going into depth. I mean, there is a lot of ways they can make this a continuation without suddenly reintroducing all of the complicated concepts and plot points of 2006-2010.

Heck, it could be a new generation of Heroes even. The six guardians training or preparing to become the new masters, the Toa Mata/Nuva acting as a kind of mentor role.

I just don't buy the idea that connecting the plot will eventually cause the new Bionicle to become convoluted.

If they really want to just retell 2001 again I'd still be pleased but I'm not one of those people who jump on nostalgia and will praise it for doing so. If they want to move forward they can, but if they want to recapture the magic of 2001 by doing it all over again it'll feel a little lazy.

The other option is to use familiar assets and place them in a completely new story/setting but that... I don't know how I'd feel about that one.

Edited September 1, 2014 by Zaktan of the Shadows

[Toa of Gallifrey]

I was never too fond of the tribal feel of Mata Nui, I much preferred the sci-fi futuristic Metru Nui and the deadly Voya Nui. That said, I'd like to see a new setting altogether. Spherus Magna has tons of potential, hence why I want a timeskip continuation/soft reboot. Something that doesn't fully disregard the past canon yet doesn't depend on it to make sense.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Metru Nui was pretty good, too; I enjoyed the cities and robot Vahki. But there is a certain point of sci-fi-ness that should never have happened in the Bionicle story line: jetpacks, lasers, spaceships. Mata Nui era felt dangerous because they were out in nature; it didn't feel like they were fighting intelligent beings, they were fighting beasts and monsters.

When you think about it, Bionicle draws heavily from tribal aspects: evil spirits, ritualistic masks, elemental powers, nature, honoring a "great spirit". Voya Nui, and Karda Nui era just felt....wrong.

Edited September 1, 2014 by LN-01354

[Toa of Gallifrey]

I just liked that there was so much variety over the course of Bionicle. I wouldn't do away with any of it, it all opened up so many different story and set opportunities.

[Chro]

But there is a certain point of sci-fi-ness that should never have happened in the Bionicle story line: jetpacks, lasers, spaceships.

giant

freaking

robot

Edited September 1, 2014 by Chro

[Kalhiki]

Personally, I think it'd be cool to see a blend of sci-fi and tribal. Still have the land be mostly wild and covered in nature but have Metru-like cities dotting the landscape.

I just don't want it to be locked to a singular setting. Part of the reason why I hated 2007. Not enough variety.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

giant

freaking

robot

Okay, I laughed at that. But that is different. That was showcasing the work of the Great Beings, work from another time, from more evolved beings. There is no reason why Jaller should have a machine gun, or why Lewa, Toa of Air who can fly, should have a jetpack. I mean seriously, that was just superfluous.

The Mata Nui robot, and the Cordex are all exceptions to the technology hatred, because that was work of the Great Beings.

[Chro]

If the Great Beings are so powerful, why is it so surprising that they can create robots that can create other technology?

I will agree that the specific instance of Lewa having a jetpack seems a bit silly.

[Lord-Vorahk]

Lewa couldn't fly, though. He could glide, and manipulate the thermals he was gliding on to stay aloft, but it was Not Quite Flight, as opposed to true flight. The only way for a Toa to achieve true flight without the Adaptive armour upgrades is the Kanohi Kadin, which is why Kongu got annoyed in 06 when Nuparu could fly and he couldn't. Being a Toa of Air doesn't grant the ability to fly, and never has.

The Toa having jetpacks in 08 made total sense. They were in an environment where there was either no ground, or the ground was not safe to stand on. If Lewa had used his standard "Mask power and air manipulation" trick, he would've had to do it permanently, which would've exhausted him. The jetpacks were essential in that they enabled him to keep aloft while using his powers for combat, as well as reducing the strain on his power- It was far more practical to use those instead of the normal method. And if the others couldn't fly, then 08 would've been "Lewa gets murdered by the quintet of airborne Phantoka Makuta, while his team mates cling to a cliff-face and shoot ineffectually at them."

[Xeros610]

Lewa couldn't fly, though. He could glide, and manipulate the thermals he was gliding on to stay aloft, but it was Not Quite Flight, as opposed to true flight. The only way for a Toa to achieve true flight without the Adaptive armour upgrades is the Kanohi Kadin, which is why Kongu got annoyed in 06 when Nuparu could fly and he couldn't. Being a Toa of Air doesn't grant the ability to fly, and never has.

The Toa having jetpacks in 08 made total sense. They were in an environment where there was either no ground, or the ground was not safe to stand on. If Lewa had used his standard "Mask power and air manipulation" trick, he would've had to do it permanently, which would've exhausted him. The jetpacks were essential in that they enabled him to keep aloft while using his powers for combat, as well as reducing the strain on his power- It was far more practical to use those instead of the normal method. And if the others couldn't fly, then 08 would've been "Lewa gets murdered by the quintet of airborne Phantoka Makuta, while his team mates cling to a cliff-face and shoot ineffectually at them."

Well, Lewa has the Miru, the mask of LEVITATION so...

being able to levitate and controling the wind...

What limits him for flying?

Edited September 1, 2014 by Xeros610

[Clone 01354 Productions]

At a certain point, it doesn't matter. My only point was that the Toa went from tribes and rituals of honoring spirits, to shooting lasers and flying with jetpacks, in like 10 years.

[Dorek]

Well, Lewa has the Miru, the mask of LEVITATION so...

being able to levitate and controling the wind...

What limits him for flying?

Nothing limits him per se, but he's not achieving fully automated, self-sustained flight, just a simulation of it that in turn limits his ability to do much else.

At a certain point, it doesn't matter. My only point was that the Toa went from tribes and rituals of honoring spirits, to shooting lasers and flying with jetpacks, in like 10 years.

LOST started out as a plane crash on a mysterious tropical island and went to time travel and destiny in just a few years. Stories need to evolve in order to grow, and in this case, so much of it was in the original story bibles anyway. The "tribes and rituals of honoring spirits" was actually practically negligible in the decade it took to tell the grandiose story, since it was that for all of one year.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Alright...well played Dorek. You convinced me. You're not like some others, who throw out invalid or stupid points (like me); you provided a well thought out argument. And you convinced me. So bravo....I am now a bit more accepting of the technology aspect of the story, and it does make more sense.

Also, it took me like 3 minutes to figure out what LOST was. The all caps through me off, and I thought it was some sort of abbreviation.

[SneakySqeaky]

Not much, really. The only thing that's new is that we have prices. Defenders are all $10, Gali is $15. I don't think we got prices for the other sets, but we can infer Pohatu and Lewa are $15, and the others are in the $20-$25 dollar range.

Oh, and Lego will be revealing a new theme at New York Comic Con. They handed out tickets to BZPower. Being it's the largest Bionicle fan site, people are speculating the new theme is Bionicle. But then it was suggested it could be Jurassic World sets, which would make more sense for Comic Con.

Oh wow, interesting. Thanks. Is it just the BZP guys that got tickets like this, did people from here or anywhere else get tickets? If not then its definitely Bionicle. Why else would they give em to just the BZP guys? Those lucky dogs. >.<

[TwistLaw]

I hardly see The Lego Group giving away for the first time NY Comicon tickets to the biggest online fanbase of BIONICLE just for le ebin trolling.

Edited September 1, 2014 by TwistLaw

[Aethersprite]

Well, Lewa has the Miru, the mask of LEVITATION so...

being able to levitate and controling the wind...

What limits him for flying?

If you've seen Avatar: The Last Airbender or its sequel The Legend of Korra (which I believe Aanchir has mentioned multiple times in this thread), you'll see how being able to manipulate the wind does not mean one can fly. Airbenders are similar to Toa of Air in their ability to control air, but they are unable to fly. They can glide through the air with the help of a wooden glider combined with their airbending skills, yes, but true flight (which was achieved in the latest season by a powerful airbender Zaheer) is almost unheard of in majority of airbenders. A similar comparison can be made with levitation and flight: One is not equal to the other. Levitation suggests one is floating and is not connected to the ground, not soaring through the air like flight. It is not mutually exclusive: Something in flight is considered to be levitating, but something levitating is not in flight. An example that comes to my mind is Pokemon with the ability Levitate; most if not all of them are unable to fly. Float above ground (which grants them immunity to Ground-type moves), yes, but it is not flight.

I hardly see The Lego Group giving away for the first time NY Comicon tickets to the biggest online fanbase of BIONICLE just for le ebin trolling.

Agreed. It seems BZP is the only website (for now) to be given those tickets, I'd say the chances of the reveal being Bionicle being pretty high.

[I AM THE DUCK MAN]

If you've seen Avatar: The Last Airbender or its sequel The Legend of Korra (which I believe Aanchir has mentioned multiple times in this thread), you'll see how being able to manipulate the wind does not mean one can fly. Airbenders are similar to Toa of Air in their ability to control air, but they are unable to fly. They can glide through the air with the help of a wooden glider combined with their airbending skills, yes, but true flight (which was achieved in the latest season by a powerful airbender Zaheer) is almost unheard of in majority of airbenders. A similar comparison can be made with levitation and flight: One is not equal to the other. Levitation suggests one is floating and is not connected to the ground, not soaring through the air like flight. It is not mutually exclusive: Something in flight is considered to be levitating, but something levitating is not in flight. An example that comes to my mind is Pokemon with the ability Levitate; most if not all of them are unable to fly. Float above ground (which grants them immunity to Ground-type moves), yes, but it is not flight.

Agreed. It seems BZP is the only website (for now) to be given those tickets, I'd say the chances of the reveal being Bionicle being pretty high.

Lewa could use his mask of levitation to move vertically, and manipulate the wind to push him around for horizontal movement.

[GK733]

Lewa could use his mask of levitation to move vertically, and manipulate the wind to push him around for horizontal movement.

It had never been that way before 2008 or after so why would it back then?

As said there is a mask for flying that is Kadin, which is kinda ridiculous as it was used by an toa of earth.

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Plus if he was given a Kadin we wouldn't have gotten those awesome jetpack pieces on his set.

[I AM THE DUCK MAN]

It had never been that way before 2008 or after so why would it back then?

As said there is a mask for flying that is Kadin, which is kinda ridiculous as it was used by an toa of earth.

Well, logically, he has power over wind and a mask of levitation, therefore flight in all directions.

[Thelegomaster]

When is the big reveal?

[Lord-Vorahk]

Well, logically, he has power over wind and a mask of levitation, therefore flight in all directions.

That's more like sailing, though, being pushed along by the wind, as opposed to true powered flight.

[I AM THE DUCK MAN]

That's more like sailing, though, being pushed along by the wind, as opposed to true powered flight.

Yes, but he still has flight by definition, being able to push himself in any direction at all at high speeds whenever he wants while effortlessly levitating upwards. Following your logic, birds can't fly.

Edited September 1, 2014 by I AM THE DUCK MAN

[Chimaninja454]

When I see the leaked BIONICLE 2015 stand in color, it makes me very excited every day because of the remakes of the six original Toa.... :)