Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Jasonified]

I personally love CCBS, I just wish I had more variety in colours. It's why I'm really hoping that Lewa does have Keetorange, and I'd like to see some dark blue. Dark red and dark green are good, but I'd want some more Metru colours.

I think the Glatorian head was an improvement in some respects, and a downgrade in others. THe face itself was a rather unfortunate Iron Man lookalike, and the shape of the head meant that simply rotating it didn't provide a good head for a normal mask. Plus, the fact that they had faces lead to lots of open masks, exposing the face itself.THat was all well and good, except for the whole head being transparent part. No only did it give the Glatorian neon colour-scheme breaking heads, but you could see the black or grey ball joint through the head, spoiling the effect. And the light piping was a downgrade in and of itself. THe eyes of the post-08 heads seemed flat and lifeless next to the more focused eyepieces of earlier sets.

I wouldn't mind seeing a helmet with a face again, but since the characters' masks are like their faces in Bionicle, I won't mind if the unmasked heads sacrifice a proper face for a connection point compatible with post-04 masks.

I agree with everything you said here, except the part about the glatorian heads being a downgrade because of transparency. While I'm not saying this is not a con, because it definitely is, you make it sound like these were the first sets to do this, which they weren't. Some of the 08 matoran had transparent orange heads as well.

[Jakura Nuva]

Yeah, Lewa will never happen. But I do like Kopaka more than Tahu; something about his cold attitude and reserved behavior is so epic. But Tahu......I don't know why, I just don't like him at all.

By the way, Jakura Nuva: I love your icon photo.

Off-topic, but thanks :)

I'm not too particular about what sort of head piece these sets use. If they do have a molded face, though, I hope it's one that's both versatile and reasonably expressive. I'm not too fond of how rigid and alien-looking some of the classic BIONICLE heads were. I felt the Glatorian head was a step in the right direction, even though it was still kind of skull-like in appearance.

Same here. At first, I was really adamant about having expressive, Glatorian-style heads, but if the new Kanohi are expressive enough in there own right, than I won't mind TOO much. Would still be nice, though.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Jakura Nuva

[Aanchir]

I honestly don't see fully transparent heads as too great of a downgrade. After all, most BIONICLE characters' heads didn't match the rest of their color schemes flawlessly anyway. The Toa Metru heads were the only Dark Stone Grey parts on some of the Toa Mahri.

Admittedly, as a neutral color, Dark Stone Grey might not clash with color schemes as much as transparent fluorescent colors would, but most of the time I didn't feel like color schemes were harmed all that much by the Glatorian heads and others like them. It felt to me just like the head was the part of the body with the least armor or clothing covering it, kind of like how Superman's head is the only place where his skin color isn't covered by his usual costume.

I also felt that the eyes of the Glatorian head still stood out reasonably well, since most of the heads had a rough texture and the eyes had a smooth texture.

[Lord-Vorahk]

I agree with everything you said here, except the part about the glatorian heads being a downgrade because of transparency. While I'm not saying this is not a con, because it definitely is, you make it sound like these were the first sets to do this, which they weren't. Some of the 08 matoran had transparent orange heads as well.

All of the 08 Matoran did, but I was talking about the heads in comparison to the Metru head. Still, the Avotoran heads were designed for normal Masks, so the fact that the ball joint was visible through the face wasn't an issue, because you couldn't see the face.

[Jakura Nuva]

It felt to me just like the head was the part of the body with the least armor or clothing covering it, kind of like how Superman's head is the only place where his skin color isn't covered by his usual costume.

Excuse me, the Superhero Nerd Police want to talk to you...

Superman' hands aren't covered with anything, either :P

[Lord-Vorahk]

It works for Superman because he's a guy in a suit. It doesn't work for the Glatorian and Agori because they aren't glowing neon androids in suits.

[Aanchir]

It works for Superman because he's a guy in a suit. It doesn't work for the Glatorian and Agori because they aren't glowing neon androids in suits.

Aren't they? How can we be sure what color they're supposed to be under their armor? In any case, I'm not talking about consistency between the sets and storyline, I'm merely talking about aesthetics.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Aanchir

[Timeline15]

Aren't they? How can we be sure what color they're supposed to be under their armor? In any case, I'm not talking about consistency between the sets and storyline, I'm merely talking about aesthetics.

I'm pretty sure the armour is part of them, mechanical implants and such, I think there is no "under the armour". Regardless, I liked the 2-part metru head because it gave toa more defined eyes, as opposed to the larger, "cuter" eyes of the 08 Matoran, who had a solid head.

I didn't feel the grey head threw off the colour scheme any more than the red/blue pins did. (another thing people seem to care about a lot more than I do).

[Aanchir]

I'm pretty sure the armour is part of them, mechanical implants and such, I think there is no "under the armour".

In the case of the Toa and Matoran, that's arguably true, but in the case of Glatorian and Agori it's definitely not. In the official story they were originally going to be 100% organic with armor, and Greg only backpedaled and gave them mechanical implants when people pointed out that this conflicted with a previous statement of his that the sets were the most official form of the characters (since the sets had plenty of obvious mechanical features like pistons).

I didn't feel the grey head threw off the colour scheme any more than the red/blue pins did. (another thing people seem to care about a lot more than I do).

I agree there. I think a lot of people get bent way out of shape over random preconceived notions about how color schemes should or should not be. I have been in a lengthy debate with somebody on BZPower who is convinced that orange and black "clash" and that any set using them together in equal measure clearly has no thought put into its color scheme. No joke.

[TheBlackFool]

I agree there. I think a lot of people get bent way out of shape over random preconceived notions about how color schemes should or should not be. I have been in a lengthy debate with somebody on BZPower who is convinced that orange and black "clash" and that any set using them together in equal measure clearly has no thought put into its color scheme. No joke.

Man he must really hate Halloween then.

[Gatanui]

In the case of the Toa and Matoran, that's arguably true, but in the case of Glatorian and Agori it's definitely not. In the official story they were originally going to be 100% organic with armor, and Greg only backpedaled and gave them mechanical implants when people pointed out that this conflicted with a previous statement of his that the sets were the most official form of the characters (since the sets had plenty of obvious mechanical features like pistons).

Ironically, that would have worked much better with the CCBS and instead that was introduced with 100% mechanical beings.

-Gata

Edited September 12, 2014 by Gatanui

[Lord-Vorahk]

I don't mind blue pins much, sinc eblue is a pretty neutral colour. THe red ones bug me more, simply because the black ones look better.

Generally, with a colour scheme, I like to stick to four major colours, max.

[Jasonified]

Does anyone else think that when the winter wave is released, there will be some form of game or media that reveals what might be the summer wave?

Hero factory did it..

Also, on the exoforce russian site leak, they said something about "the tubes that these heroes come in", which could mean canisters. Of course, it's unlikely, since that was a very broken translation and there's no reason why they should get rid of bags (except for the fact that canisters had playability, but lego doesn't care much for box playability anymore)

[Jasonified]

I don't mind blue pins much, sinc eblue is a pretty neutral colour. THe red ones bug me more, simply because the black ones look better.

Generally, with a colour scheme, I like to stick to four major colours, max.

I never really thought the red pins, or any pins for that matter, threw off the color scheme too much..

[Chimaninja454]

I think that rendering of Tahu (my favorite Toa and the icon of BIONICLE) and the five Toa in CCBS is really decent, with lots of new moulds, and I hope there will definitely be new molds to replace the Brain Attack fire piece, as well as their own masks (not in the same color)

Who agrees with me?

[Aanchir]

I think that rendering of Tahu (my favorite Toa and the icon of BIONICLE) and the five Toa in CCBS is really decent, with lots of new moulds, and I hope there will definitely be new molds to replace the Brain Attack fire piece, as well as their own masks (not in the same color)

Who agrees with me?

I don't know if the fire piece from Brain Attack really needs to be replaced with anything. It's slightly specialized, but a lot less so than a lot of the older fire pieces that came before it, so it can be used as an energy effect no matter what color it comes in. Having it in lots of new colors or color combinations would be fantastic!

I am wondering what we might see with the "defender/protector" masks, though. It would be unusual for all the characters to keep the exact same mask. Even Hero Factory rarely used the same mask more than twice within a single wave. Randomized masks would be interesting (and would explain the characters' lack of specific names — there could be MULTIPLE "defenders/protectors" of each element who are distinguished by having different masks), but it's also possible there might just be a different new mask specific to each set.

[Quisoves Pugnat]

I am wondering what we might see with the "defender/protector" masks, though. It would be unusual for all the characters to keep the exact same mask. Even Hero Factory rarely used the same mask more than twice within a single wave. Randomized masks would be interesting (and would explain the characters' lack of specific names — there could be MULTIPLE "defenders/protectors" of each element who are distinguished by having different masks), but it's also possible there might just be a different new mask specific to each set.

The only way I could see this working was if each "Defender" included a random mask in addition to whatever mask is shown on the box. Otherwise you'd have complaints from customers about the box-art not matching up with the actual set. Granted, LEGO did randomize the Krana, but they were beneath the hoods of the Bohrok, and didn't drastically alter the appearance of the sets.

[ToaofPlasma]

I'll Bet my Lewa (Obviously not really XD) that the protector/defenders masks are placeholders like Tahu's background. It is Unlikely though.

[TheBrickPal]

Most of the stuff we saw on the display are most likely placeholders. We can't even tell what the packaging type for these sets are. They are just flat on the images, and I'd be very surprised (but stoked) if we got canisters again. Also, LEGO probably just whipped it together quickly to envision what the new line would potentially look like when it is sold in stores. That's why all of the Defenders have the same mask, and why the Lord of Skull Spiders looks bigger than what his pricetag is saying. My theory will be proven if that Vultraz/Queen Breez-like mask on the LEGO.com Products thumbnail is really the finalized version of the Vamprah-like one from the aforementioned leak.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Puffle Pal26

[Timeline15]

Part of me kinda hopes that the defenders actually all have the same mask, just so we could have a mask in a wide range of colours again, to help make the masks feel less character specific, (not that I have the problem where I can only ever see one character if I use a certain mask, I just really like recolours).

Edited September 12, 2014 by Timeline15

[Kalhiki]

I don't mind if the Defenders all share the same mask, but only if they're all part of some kind of team. It would be a nice unifying feature.

If they're all just random Matoran, ehhhh....

[Chimaninja454]

Is it likely that it will be set in Spherus Magna in the distant future?

[Timeline15]

Is it likely that it will be set in Spherus Magna in the distant future?

Impossible to say what is likely. I certainly hope this is the case though. I abhor reboots when a continuation is still possible.

[Mandate]

I don't mind if the Defenders all share the same mask, but only if they're all part of some kind of team. It would be a nice unifying feature.

If they're all just random Matoran, ehhhh....

UNITY! DUTY!... destiny?

I doubt they'll all retain the same mask. All of the things we've seen so far (other than the "mystic mask") have been placeholders released 6 months before the intended launch of Bionicle in 2015. If they do, it won't really affect me. However, I do hope that Tahu's mask doesn't change or at least greatly. I love the new style over the old one, and it would really set this apart from the original Bionicle.

[Chimaninja454]

Let's celebrate! :)