Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Mandate]

Of course we're going to get more vehicles, but don't expect a lot. We've had six total in HF, IFB doesn't count simply because everything was a vehicle and nothing was to scale with an actual Hero (on another note, it would be AWESOME if someone could make Hero-sized versions of the Mechs. Like, really. Please ). The last thing that remotely equates to a Constraction-Figure sized vehicle was Rocka's jetpack. Even then, that was pretty small.

Although I would love some more vehicles for BIONICLE this time

[Aanchir]

Still, it's getting old and a bit annoying, just like "hype train" and "omega tahu". That stuff can only go so far before being overdone.

If you think headcanons like differently-gendered Toa Mata are anywhere NEAR as annoying and overused as "hype train" or "omega tahu", then I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Because this is the first time I've seen mention of a female Onua come up in weeks if not months. Meanwhile there have been several Hype Train/Omega Tahu references and you've barely batted an eye.

[CabooseBM]

Haha, I was wondering when someone was going to yell at me about that.

It's okay, I'm not going to stop anytime soon. Maybe my secret brain signals will get through to LEGO at some point. =V

Edited September 16, 2014 by CabooseBM

[Chro]

I'm just tired of complaining about the Omega Tahu and Hype Train thing, it hasn't had any substantial effect every time I've tried so far

[Still Raindrop]

Anyway, I liked Pohatu and Onua in Mol, they felt like actually good friends, though I will admit Onua should have been a bit wiser rather than burly miner type, but I loved the super upbeat Pohatu.

Yeah, I liked their friendship, and I think they got Pohatu right. But yeah, that burly miner thing. Not what I had been hoping for at all. I hope Lego can make a big, burly-looking character without making him really dumb.

On another nye, it will be interesting to see how they handle the jungle thing. Hopefully it's just a tribe or a region, and Lewa retains his air powers--otherwise, we'll have lost one unique element while keeping two sets of similar ones (water/ice, earth/stone). But it does seem like they gravitated towards more green-specific powers (acid, plant life) for most green non-Toa characters.

[Grima]

I agree with that too, having mixed gender elements would be absolutely amazing, but completely rewriting already established characters is unnecessary, having fresh new characters to show off would be nice.

I will never understand how changing a character's pronouns counts as completely rewriting them.

[Voxovan]

Guys, please don't go back to the gender topic. It is dead and it should remain dead. Thank you.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

I think Pohatu's personality was fitting but Onua and Lewa were messed up.

-Gata

I liked Lewa's personality in MOL. The hippie-attitude fit a Toa of, essentially, Jungles and Trees. (I know it's really air, but not anymore......)

this is exactly how not to write treespeak

Well, I tried. Sorry I don't know a fake dialect from 10 years ago.

Hey, I just noticed: the German store now says "no search results for Bionicle"; were they taken down? I know it is the right link.....

Edited September 16, 2014 by LN-01354

[Logan McOwen]

Guys, please don't go back to the gender topic. It is dead and it should remain dead. Thank you.

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[Still Raindrop]

While we're on the topic of bad treespeak--I hope they get rid of treespeak. I've studied linguistics, and while the idea of treespeak makes sense (either as an isolated tribe or a chute-making group making their own jargon), you'd expect it to be shorter, not longer. When done well, it sound like jargon, but when done poorly (eg "Toa-heroes") it just makes things unnecessarily long. It's like Yoda in the prequels--he had an unusual speech pattern in the originals, but only when it made sense--he didn't switch every sentence around. Poor treespeak takes a jargon and applies it to places where it isn't needed and doesn't make sense.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

They need to keep tree-speak. It made Lewa unique, and it made sense: different regions had different dialect. They need to make it part of his character again.

It just has to be better than mine.

[Grima]

I liked treespeak as written by Templar and Cathy Hapka, not so much as written by Greg.

Good treespeak isn't just combining two redundant words; in good treespeak, the combo of words should mean more than the two separate words.

[Still Raindrop]

True--if they could consistently do it well, that would be ok. I'd agree with your requirements, Grima, and add that it should express something succinctly that would otherwise take more time to explain (when you're flying through chutes or on a bird, it's beneficial to express thoughts quickly)

[Cheatster9000x]

My original compilation gallery AND the original source both remain untouched.

The original source has been removed... The compilation gallery still exists, so if that gets taken down, you still have them saved... right?

[Shakar]

Even if Meso didn't save the pics, I'm sure someone else did- like me. :P

[Timeline15]

I can't for the life of me figure out how the protectors' gun is supposed to work. The gear clearly shows that you spin it to get it to fire, but I can't imagine how that would work :/

Also, the piece in the middle of Kopaka's shield makes it look like that's meant to spin too.

[Aanchir]

While we're on the topic of bad treespeak--I hope they get rid of treespeak. I've studied linguistics, and while the idea of treespeak makes sense (either as an isolated tribe or a chute-making group making their own jargon), you'd expect it to be shorter, not longer. When done well, it sound like jargon, but when done poorly (eg "Toa-heroes") it just makes things unnecessarily long. It's like Yoda in the prequels--he had an unusual speech pattern in the originals, but only when it made sense--he didn't switch every sentence around. Poor treespeak takes a jargon and applies it to places where it isn't needed and doesn't make sense.

As some other people have stated, Treespeak sometimes made plenty of sense. Check out the original treespeak lexicon. Even back then, some of the words didn't make a whole lot of sense coming from an English-language linguistic perspective, like "lowduck" for "crouch" or "duck", but there were also plenty of words like "uptree", "downtree", "deepwood", and "topleaf" that make plenty of linguistic sense — in part because they express ideas that are particular to Le-Koro culture and that other tribes might neither have nor need a simpler way of saying.

I should mention that most of Greg Farshtey's treespeak and the treespeak in the BIONICLE movies, was often terrible — using two redundant words together to express what could be expressed just as easily with one or the other. Though, of course, in some cases it could be explained as emphasis, much like how many actual Polynesian words will repeat the same word or root to convey a higher degree of that word's meaning. C.A. Hapka's treespeak was not a whole lot better in my opinion ("mystery-king of knownothingness", anyone?). To his credit, Greg seemed to be fully aware that he wasn't good at writing treespeak, and generally disliked having to do so.

[Lord-Vorahk]

The question I have with Treespeak/Chutespeak was that it was developed as jargon among the chuteworkers. So how did Lewa, who had never been to Metru Nui, know it?

[Still Raindrop]

Aanchir, I agree--I think my memories of bad treespeak were clouding my memories of how it can be used well, and I reacted too strongly. How could I forget "Uptree battle, downtree peace"? When used well, as I mentioned, it can be great. I guess I hope that, if they do keep it, that they use it consistently and well--maybe bring in an actual linguist (or amateur linguist) to advise.

[Element Lord of Milk]

The question I have with Treespeak/Chutespeak was that it was developed as jargon among the chuteworkers. So how did Lewa, who had never been to Metru Nui, know it?

We first saw Lewa after he had been to Le-Koro, right? Maybe he just took to it really quickly.

[The Kumquat Alchemist]

I can't for the life of me figure out how the protectors' gun is supposed to work. The gear clearly shows that you spin it to get it to fire, but I can't imagine how that would work :/

Also, the piece in the middle of Kopaka's shield makes it look like that's meant to spin too.

I'd assume that either the outer piece is spun, running the tops of the studs one-by-one over an internal fixed ridge that pushes them outwards and launches them, or a hidden wheel with a ridge mounted onto its surface spins inside of the assembly, pressing the studs out. Think of how the minifigure-sized guns introduced in The LEGO Movie sets work, for reference.

Either way, if it works as well as the minifigure-sized guns, it's going to be great; it'll be like a Cordak Blaster whose ammunition I don't have to worry so much about losing!

Edited September 16, 2014 by The Kumquat Alchemist

[Lord-Vorahk]

We first saw Lewa after he had been to Le-Koro, right? Maybe he just took to it really quickly.

Lewa first appears in Tale of the To, and has yet to reach Le-Koro. His chapter shows him making a journey towards it, since he doesn't have the information from the Turaga as to what he is.

Either way, if it works as well as the minifigure-sized guns, it's going to be great; it'll be like a Cordak Blaster that I don't have to worry about finding ammunition for.

More like a Cordak Blaster that actually fires.

[arc]

More like a Cordak Blaster that actually fires.

ey, I liked the cordak blaster!

Does anyone know how the new blaster is operated?

[Lord-Vorahk]

That's already been guessed at.

[Kalta the Noble Mind]

I think Pohatu's personality was fitting but Onua and Lewa were messed up.

-Gata

oh i completely forgot about lewa! he seemed too serious or at least not as playful as i remembered. wast gali more the caring type who would prevent unnecessary harm to rahi? i think they nailed the fun loving energetic air toa in toa matau.