Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[mysteriouspi]

I guess so, but it's not like the Matoran Universe DID die; it was just a chance. The only "dark" event that I could really think of was Matoro's death.

Well, there was also the Turaga keeping secrets. And the Toa Nuva almost dying. And the Toa Nuva almost dying again. And apparently Lewa's katana got broken?

Not to mention the mind-controlled/brain-dead Matoran. And how Karzahni fixed them. And that the Matoran Inika should have died on their journey to Voya Nui. And...

And the Piraka rap. *Shudders* Those were dark days.

[DuckBricks]

Well, there was also the Turaga keeping secrets. And the Toa Nuva almost dying. And the Toa Nuva almost dying again. And apparently Lewa's katana got broken?

Not to mention the mind-controlled/brain-dead Matoran. And how Karzahni fixed them. And that the Matoran Inika should have died on their journey to Voya Nui. And...

And the Piraka rap. *Shudders* Those were dark days.

"fixed" heh heh

Yeah, 06-07 was pretty dark, but that was how I liked it. I was hoping for Bionicle to have a darker story for 2015, and was a tad disappointed, but after all, it is only year 1. The tone is pretty much the same as in 2001, albeit this year being a bit lighter.

This year, Ninjago seems to be the darkest story, which I like.

[Bigger Fish]

Well, there was also the Turaga keeping secrets. And the Toa Nuva almost dying. And the Toa Nuva almost dying again. And apparently Lewa's katana got broken?

Not to mention the mind-controlled/brain-dead Matoran. And how Karzahni fixed them. And that the Matoran Inika should have died on their journey to Voya Nui. And...

And the Piraka rap. *Shudders* Those were dark days.

I just realized that the Matoran Inika's journey was a metaphor of life, death, hell, and rebirth.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Well, there was also the Turaga keeping secrets. And the Toa Nuva almost dying. And the Toa Nuva almost dying again. And apparently Lewa's katana got broken?

Not to mention the mind-controlled/brain-dead Matoran. And how Karzahni fixed them. And that the Matoran Inika should have died on their journey to Voya Nui. And...

And the Piraka rap. *Shudders* Those were dark days.

True enough. I think that Karzahni was definitely the most demented aspect of the story.

Also, I just found out that a few days ago, it was revealed that Matoran are created by machines operated by Turaga. I must say, I'm glad that Gen 2 is going for the more biological approach, with reproduction and families (as far as we know). The whole idea that some old Turaga would just build a Matoran is so demented and creepy.....

[CabooseBM]

Is it really? The Matoran have always been fancy robots, so them being assembled comes as little surprise.

[TheGreatSpirit]

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

[Mandate]

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

Why... how... there's no transparent studs! Good grief, making the purple ones solid was evil enough, but now all of them are!? This is BIONICLE's darkest* hour... how could you LEGO?

*if you don't include the Av-Matoran, Hordika, 2005 Titans, 2009/10, or the announcement of the line ending

[DuckBricks]

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

Ha! That is truly hilarious! Unless, of course, you were to shoot someone with it. That would be bad. And unless, of course, you were to shoot me with it. That would be painful.

Those are earrings though, right?

*if you don't include the Av-Matoran, Hordika, 2005 Titans, 2009/10, or the announcement of the line ending

Sums up basically all of the set's faults... Fresh was cool, though. Everything else mentioned is pretty sub-par.

[JasonEffex]

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

Haha, that's great, just imagine if you stood on one! (or several) Now that would be painful!

Edited February 6, 2015 by JasonEffex

[Mandate]

Could always use them as thumbtacks for putting stuff on walls (I'll take a dozen)

[DuckBricks]

Could always use them as thumbtacks for putting stuff on walls (I'll take a dozen)

That is a brilliant idea! Any, off topic

[Logan McOwen]

I must say, I'm glad that Gen 2 is going for the more biological approach, with reproduction and families (as far as we know).

Nothing of the sort has yet been confirmed. We don't know what the composure of the Gen2 characters is yet, as it simply has not been stated. As far as is presented, we have these big, shiny metallic dudes and dudettes, running around doing stuff.

I want you to go look at one of the Toa and Protectors, and tell me again how something with segmented armour plating, hydraulic rams, glowing eyes and gears could be remotely organic. Go on.

Is it really? The Matoran have always been fancy robots, so them being assembled comes as little surprise.

This right here. Do people really expect mechanical/mostly mechanical beings to give birth or something? To me, that's creepier than the concept of them building each-other.

Edited February 6, 2015 by LewiMOC

[Timeline15]

I'm fine with a machine making them I guess, but I don't like that it's the Turaga operating it. I had always assumed the great spirit robot did it automatically, so the Matoran assumed Mata nui was willing more into existence, hence the worship of him. Having them just be created by Vakama and co whenever a job vacancy opens up is a little mundane and detached for creatures who are, despite their origin, living beings.

I do like that the Okotoverse implies (happy now, lewi?) a more normal way of life, not slaving away to maintain a giant robot, not being willed into existence by the village elders. It just never seemed right that way to me.

Edited February 6, 2015 by Timeline15

[Ikaatril]

Pretty sure the bio for the PoF states how the title of protector is passed from father to son, implying biological reproduction...

[Logan McOwen]

Pretty sure the bio for the PoF states how the title of protector is passed from father to son, implying biological reproduction...

Not necessarily. The fact that there's younger generations doesn't necessarily imply that Protectors make babies (I hate that I have to type that). It could just mean that the original Protectors were older bots, who, when newer bots were introduced to the island, took on a "Sensei" kind of role with newer 'bots. Who knows. And if there is reproduction, why does it necessarily have to be biological? I mean, look what's been revealed about Gen1, with the Matoran being built by Turaga using machinery. Even there, the Matoran were biomechanical (?), but they were manufactured.

But again, nothing has been confirmed yet, and might not even ever be confirmed. I wouldn't get jumping to conclusions just yet, as you may just find yourself disappointed.

Edited February 6, 2015 by LewiMOC

[MakutaOfWar]

And now everybody is bashing reproduction?! What's wrong with you all?! Bionicles are Bionic and Organic, how else would you explain that. Good Lord.

[Logan McOwen]

Bionicles are Bionic and Organic

This is a reboot. Everything is being rewritten. Like I said, the composition of the characters has yet to be confirmed, and may not be confirmed due to the more simplified nature of Gen2. For all we know now, the whole biomechanical thing may be a thing of the past. Again, don't get jumping to conclusions based on minimal information.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Nothing of the sort has yet been confirmed. We don't know what the composure of the Gen2 characters is yet, as it simply has not been stated. As far as is presented, we have these big, shiny metallic dudes and dudettes, running around doing stuff.

I want you to go look at one of the Toa and Protectors, and tell me again how something with segmented armour plating, hydraulic rams, glowing eyes and gears could be remotely organic. Go on.

Well, "passed on through the generations", a baby Protector, the fact that they grow old and die......Anyway, I never even said it was confirmed.

[SuperGeniusCreator]

"Some days you just can't get rid of a Skull Spider!"

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

Wow... that's pretty scary actually. Just imagine someone filling up their launcher with those and then firing them at you...

[Mandate]

Episode 5 is now online.

For a one minute short, it's pretty good.

[The Kumquat Alchemist]

I want you to go look at one of the Toa and Protectors, and tell me again how something with segmented armour plating, hydraulic rams, glowing eyes and gears could be remotely organic. Go on.

The same could be said of the Toa from the 2001 advertisements, but it was stated that they, too, had organic components.

If anything, 2001-2010 BIONICLE had less room for the characters to appear organic, what with their gappy, piston-covered exteriors leaving little room for squishy bits, unlike CCBS's more filled-out (at least from a front view) appearance, and yet the inclusion of organic parts in their biology was never dropped in the fluff, even if the sets appeared robotic.

Though it is, admittedly, unconfirmed what they are, exactly, media appearances showing them as looking robotic aren't necessarily an indicator of whether they are or are not partially organic in the story; it is likely that any portrayals of them in media have to stick close to the set designs to better advertize the sets, much like how the TLR film showed ~95% set-accurate (and therefore almost completely robotic-looking) Glatorian and Agori, despite Greg saying that the inhabitants of Bara-Magna were mostly organic.

The stud shooters just took a dark turn

You'd need a pair of tweezers to load them, unless you wished to share your target's pain.

Edited February 6, 2015 by The Kumquat Alchemist

[Mandate]

You'd need a pair of tweezers to load them, unless you wished to share your target's pain.

Only if you have fat fingers :3

[Chimaninja454]

Episode 5 is now online.

For a one minute short, it's pretty good.

Hmm. It looks pretty good.

[Scarilian]

This is a reboot. Everything is being rewritten. Like I said, the composition of the characters has yet to be confirmed, and may not be confirmed due to the more simplified nature of Gen2. For all we know now, the whole biomechanical thing may be a thing of the past. Again, don't get jumping to conclusions based on minimal information.

Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that the Gen 2 Skull Spiders and Summer villains appear to have had most (If not all) of their organic parts degrade over time leaving only their skeletons/bone. So i suppose that implies that they are still Bionic and Organic, maybe with some 'magic' thrown in.

Episode 5 is now online.

For a one minute short, it's pretty good.

The fact that Gali and Pohatu's animation's of them with the golden masks dont include their protectors bugs me...

In addition, disappointed that they never had individual battles with LoSS which was hinted at in the character animations.

[Dorek]

Not necessarily. The fact that there's younger generations doesn't necessarily imply that Protectors make babies (I hate that I have to type that). It could just mean that the original Protectors were older bots, who, when newer bots were introduced to the island, took on a "Sensei" kind of role with newer 'bots. Who knows. And if there is reproduction, why does it necessarily have to be biological? I mean, look what's been revealed about Gen1, with the Matoran being built by Turaga using machinery. Even there, the Matoran were biomechanical (?), but they were manufactured.

But again, nothing has been confirmed yet, and might not even ever be confirmed. I wouldn't get jumping to conclusions just yet, as you may just find yourself disappointed.

I like to think the "father and son" and various uses of the word "generations" pretty specifically means organic reproduction. Obviously they're not going to make a big deal out of it, but they should be and are shying away from the grand, pointlessly mysterious aspects of Gen 1 and making it more relatable this time.