Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[WARHEAD]

You may not personally like the thin limbs going into bulky lower limbs, but it is absurd to say it is bad design, when thick limbs going to thin lowers is instead the absurd design choice.

Kinda off topic, but I just wanted to say, even though I agree with you on the other points you've made I think this is where you're wrong. As a stylistic choice it can work very well, and is one of my personal favorites. Here's a handy picture to illustrate it.

Just throwing that out there.

On the subject of the sets themselves, I think the armor placement makes sense. It just means they had armor on their shins and shoulders and not their thighs and forearms before the flesh rotted away. Think Roman soldiers.

Edited February 19, 2015 by WARHEAD

[Ikaatril]

Anyone think it's possible the story is being left kinda ambiguous so fans can fill it in themselves?

It'd be a welcome change from the constant and relentless canonisation of the old generation. What is there to imagine there? Nearly everything is already defined, as if ambiguity was a bad thing. Generation Two, we just have the details in the episodes and on the sites to go by. How do they live every day? What do they eat? Why are there skeletons walking in the ancient city? Why are there seemingly artificial mountain ranges dividing the seven areas of Okoto? Who came before Ekimu and Makuta? How did they know about the prophecy? Where did LoSS come from?

So many unanswered questions, so many that I hope they stay that way.

...Cue bonkle fans going 'GRUGG WHY ARE MAKOOTER EVIL?' or something equally absurd and over-curious.

[GK733]

Anyone think it's possible the story is being left kinda ambiguous so fans can fill it in themselves?

So many unanswered questions, so many that I hope they stay that way.

This is the excat reason why Binkmeister had the recipe for the disaster known also as affecting Bionicle's cancellation because it made the story bit by bit too convoluted.

Now I would like to see some of these things in books and possible movies and games. I want some slice of life. The stuff the villagers do, wildlife on Okoto and really see the personalities of each toa.

[Scarilian]

Anyone think it's possible the story is being left kinda ambiguous so fans can fill it in themselves?

I get the feeling a lot is being left intentionally vague so they can add it to the books that are coming in fall. I would'nt be suprised for example if the toa had more adventures to get the golden masks.

Why are there skeletons walking in the ancient city? Who came before Ekimu and Makuta? How did they know about the prophecy? Where did LoSS come from?

These i feel we will get answers to at some point in the future, most likely as the story progresses. Several of these will probably become more important later on such as who created the Mask Of Creation and Control along with the idea of the prophecy. In addition;

- Their was a mention in a press release about someone giving Ekimu and Makuta their mask implying that we may learn more about them later on as the story develops

- Their are a few scenes in the 9th animation that seemingly hint towards an explanation as to why the Skeletons are in the ancient city, along with a mysterious warning written in the Okoto language

Edited February 19, 2015 by Scarilian

[Toa of Gallifrey]

I really don't want too much stuff left for fans to fill in. Irrelevant stuff, sure (even though I am overly curious about G1) but leaving too many things not just vague but also ignored defeats the point of making it a story-based theme in my eyes. I don't care about what Protectors eat but I do care about where LoSS comes from, what is its purpose, where does the golden Skull Spider mask fit in within all this. There's a difference between leaving some things vague and introducing potentially interesting plot points and ignoring them. Mysteries should be answered eventually.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Toa of Gallifrey

[Mutant Orc]

As long as the main points are covered it's fine. It's nice having things like the Protector's characters open to personal preference.

[Scarilian]

As long as the main points are covered it's fine. It's nice having things like the Protector's characters open to personal preference.

Would be nice to get proper names atleast... even if its not used to promote the sets.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Wait a second: the Skull guys are decomposed, right? So it's proven that the characters CAN rot......Shouldn't Ekimu be decomposed? I mean, he's been dead for 1000+ years, and he wasn't mummified or anything, so......

Can't wait to see the episode where they wake him up, and he's all rusted and disgusting; scraps of metal are peeling off of him, his intestines are falling out.

Also, can we all just stop arguing about things that don't matter? There's been a three-page argument already, and it's getting old.

Edited February 20, 2015 by LN-01354

[mysteriouspi]

Wait a second: the Skull guys are decomposed, right? So it's proven that the characters CAN rot......Shouldn't Ekimu be decomposed? I mean, he's been dead for 1000+ years, and he wasn't mummified or anything, so......

Can't wait to see the episode where they wake him up, and he's all rusted and disgusting; scraps of metal are peeling off of him, his intestines are falling out.

The Skull villains seem to have been more "casually" buried, based on what we saw in Episode 9. Ekimu was placed in a relatively special sarcophagus. I doubt biomechanical beings mummify each other, but it's clear that Ekimu's body was taken care of better than the Skull villains'.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

The Skull villains seem to have been more "casually" buried, based on what we saw in Episode 9. Ekimu was placed in a relatively special sarcophagus. I doubt biomechanical beings mummify each other, but it's clear that Ekimu's body was taken care of better than the Skull villains'.

But in real life, people get buried in coffins, yet they still decompose over time. Sealing Ekimu in a box really wouldn't do much to preserve the body.

[TheDesuComplex]

The Skull villains seem to have been more "casually" buried, based on what we saw in Episode 9. Ekimu was placed in a relatively special sarcophagus. I doubt biomechanical beings mummify each other, but it's clear that Ekimu's body was taken care of better than the Skull villains'.

I think it would be pretty interesting if Ekimu was a zombie anyway, just a good zombie. I came in here to tell of an interesting find at Target- Gali and Onua were 15% off. It wasn't a sale, because they had a clearance sticker. I am wondering if this is because they were on the endcaps and the Lego aisle literally has no room for them.

[Lord-Vorahk]

Ekimu's not dead. He's asleep. He was "lifeless" in a metaphorical sense.

[mysteriouspi]

But in real life, people get buried in coffins, yet they still decompose over time. Sealing Ekimu in a box really wouldn't do much to preserve the body.

Perhaps the box is more than just a box, eh? Kanohi were more than meets the eye, why not the box?

#ToaBoxia2016Confirmed

[GK733]

But in real life, people get buried in coffins, yet they still decompose over time. Sealing Ekimu in a box really wouldn't do much to preserve the body.

Would assume he's just in coma like state but it was mentioned for some reason just as lifeless.

Edited February 20, 2015 by GK733

[Lord-Vorahk]

Dude's been chatting to Tahu with telepathy for a while now. He's probably not even comatose. He's certainly a lot more involved than Mata Nui was.

[LegendsOfNinjago]

I think it would be pretty interesting if Ekimu was a zombie anyway, just a good zombie. I came in here to tell of an interesting find at Target- Gali and Onua were 15% off. It wasn't a sale, because they had a clearance sticker. I am wondering if this is because they were on the endcaps and the Lego aisle literally has no room for them.

Haha, I came to say the same thing! Picked up Gali. Hoping to pick up Onua soon. This really made my day!!

[Logan McOwen]

Anyone think it's possible the story is being left kinda ambiguous so fans can fill it in themselves?

I definitely feel that that's what's being done. It makes sense, as not only is this iteration of Bionicle aimed at a younger, more quick to satisfy audience, as is the case in this day of smartphones, social media and fast food. I know I know, that sounds terribly cliché and "KIDS THESE DAYS" of me, but kids these days (hurr durr) are indeed all about quick service.

Now, Lego leaving so many gaps open in the story surrounding Bionicle will give a lot more space for the imagination to seep in. I don't know if you guys have seen it, but there was a screencap going around of a comment from a mother on the Bionicle Facebook page. She described how her son had imagined the current Bionicle universe to tie in with that of Hero Factory, and that this is on a distant planet in the HF universe. Also, a lot of younger MOCists are already creating their own Masters of the elements, and villagers of all different shapes and sizes. And, like with Hero Factory, it's very easy for these fan-made characters and creatures to be roughly canon.

The first generation had a very strict canon, with specific islands, organisations and populations, and many many unusual names to get used to. Hero Factory and this second generation of Bionicle don't have as strict a canon - with Hero Factory, pretty much any Hero or Villain you designed was pretty canonical, because HF's universe is vague and open to interpretation. This isn't so much of the case with Bionicle Gen2, but it's certainly a lot more open to interpretation and rewriting, and I think that's what Lego really want.

TL;DR I think Lego have let more open to interpretation in Gen2 so that younger fans can create their own characters and stories without worry of straying from canon, much like they did with Hero Factory.

Edited February 20, 2015 by LewiMOC

[Clone 01354 Productions]

All I'm saying is that he has no oxygen in his coffin, he was described as "lifeless" (so I assume he has no heartbeat or anything), and he hasn't eaten or had anything to drink for 1000 years. This guy is dead.

But the Toa could just bring him back with Red Star, right?

[Voxovan]

All I'm saying is that he has no oxygen in his coffin, he was described as "lifeless" (so I assume he has no heartbeat or anything), and he hasn't eaten or had anything to drink for 1000 years. This guy is dead.

But the Toa could just bring him back with Red Star, right?

He's not dead, they literally said he's asleep.

[Logan McOwen]

Ekimu is comatose. Also I really don't think eating or drinking are even necessary for him or anyone in the Gen2 universe, as was the case in Gen1.

Edited February 20, 2015 by LewiMOC

[Kalhiki]

I like to think the coffin/sarcophagus doubles as sort of a life-support system. He's asleep/comatose, but the box keeps everything in working order.

Plus, I don't think we actually know who/what Ekimu is. The guy's speaking telepathically, so I like to think there's something to him that's more than meets the eye (cue transformation sound).

[Still Raindrop]

In addition, Bionicle has a long history of characters who have been asleep for a long period of time, sometimes even worse than Ekimu (the disassembled Toa Mata come to mind). I know that G2 and G1 are different, but with that tradition in mind (and the fact that the Ekimu set doesn't show him decayed), I think it's reasonable to assume that at least some G2 characters are capable of extended sleep without dying/decaying.

[BrickBuilder3213]

Ekimu's just having a nice, long sleep. Nothing to worry about.

[Scarilian]

All I'm saying is that he has no oxygen in his coffin, he was described as "lifeless" (so I assume he has no heartbeat or anything), and he hasn't eaten or had anything to drink for 1000 years. This guy is dead.

Essentially view him as in a coma, with his 'gold protector mask' being a device that keeps him alive. Atleast thats how i view it, the 'coffin' and 'mask' being more of a life support machine keeping him alive.

Also, its playing on the advantage that we actually dont know what they require to live. We know that they can die, but we dont know the circumstances which cause them to die. For all we know they could be more robotic in terms of not requiring food or drink and yet still be able to grow and 'breed' somehow :P

I like to think the coffin/sarcophagus doubles as sort of a life-support system. He's asleep/comatose, but the box keeps everything in working order.

Plus, I don't think we actually know who/what Ekimu is. The guy's speaking telepathically, so I like to think there's something to him that's more than meets the eye (cue transformation sound).

Alternatively the Golden Protector Mask is a new 'Mask Of Telepathy', though yeah, i would'nt be suprised if their is some 'magic' involved that makes Ekimu and Makuta virtually immortal unless they are killed by physical means... :3

Edited February 20, 2015 by Scarilian

[Leewan]

Alternatively the Golden Protector Mask is a new 'Mask Of Telepathy'

That's an interesting theory.

But I rather think that the Mask Makers can "communicate" through the Golden Masks, and that Makuta controls the LoSS with the Golden Skull Spider Mask (the same way as Ekimu speaks to the Toa through their Golden Masks, Makuta would speak to the LoSS through the Golden Skull Spider Mask).