dviddy Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I'm not gonna quote your wall of text Vader, but you can't blame TTV and their fans for creating all these crack-pot theories when TTV themselves put up SEVERAL videos explaining that whole false 'Mask of Time' connection amongst other things. Your grudge against them is so blatantly obvious it's hilarious. Videos that don't actually say anything? You act like I don't watch those- I do. You can't talk about something you don't know about, and considering they have three videos about me specifically, of course I've seen them. The videos where they attempt to remain neutral, walk their own statements back, and then say "but we still kinda think our misintepretation was right wink wink". It's not a grudge against them, but they have a powerful voice for those mostly outside the message board fanbases, and they don't seem to respect that power enough to verify their claims in their attempts to be the first to cover something. It's irritating and it just causes problems within the community. Their show has a place in the community and I respect that- I don't respect the "gotta be first so post a bunch of things and damn the consequences we'll fix our wrong things later after they've proliferated" schtick. It's problematic. If you think there's something else there, I mean, I'm not sure what? I know I've heard random comments about BZP being jealous or threatened by them, but we were the ones informed of the return, sent free pieces, we didn't have to make numerous fake accounts on TBB to win tickets to NYCC, etc. I care about the community (after all, I'm one of the idiots in it) and I like it better when we're all on the same page with information. The moment I wasn't under NDA I basically said as much as I knew about everything behind the scenes, because that stuff is fascinating an educated fanbase is a good fanbase. The spread of misinformation is irritating and yeah, I don't like it. Considering how much of it comes from them... I think the point makes itself? Where is everyone getting the trans-blue stud gun piece from? The ones in the video aren't the stud shooter piece, they are the piece from the gatling gun mounted on the CCBS Iron Man set. Quote
Mandate Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 The ones in the video aren't the stud shooter piece, they are the piece from the gatling gun mounted on the CCBS Iron Man set. D'oh. They look so similar in the lighting conditions, I never bothered to look close enough. Sorry. Quote
Scarilian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) @DarthVader As for your other comment you once again completely misinterpret was i was saying and went off on a long tangent about TTV and misinformation, and generally choosing to slander TTV for no real reason other than some silly rivalry as MonkeyChud noticed. You didnt understand what i wrote and then proceeded to slander me also and lump me as a TTV fanboy simply because i shared the same opinions as someone else online. Videos that don't actually say anything? You act like I don't watch those- I do. You can't talk about something you don't know about, and considering they have three videos about me specifically, of course I've seen them. The videos where they attempt to remain neutral, walk their own statements back, and then say "but we still kinda think our misintepretation was right wink wink". It's not a grudge against them, but they have a powerful voice for those mostly outside the message board fanbases, and they don't seem to respect that power enough to verify their claims in their attempts to be the first to cover something. It's irritating and it just causes problems within the community. Their show has a place in the community and I respect that- I don't respect the "gotta be first so post a bunch of things and damn the consequences we'll fix our wrong things later after they've proliferated" schtick. It's problematic. If you think there's something else there, I mean, I'm not sure what? I know I've heard random comments about BZP being jealous or threatened by them, but we were the ones informed of the return, sent free pieces, we didn't have to make numerous fake accounts on TBB to win tickets to NYCC, etc. I care about the community (after all, I'm one of the idiots in it) and I like it better when we're all on the same page with information. The moment I wasn't under NDA I basically said as much as I knew about everything behind the scenes, because that stuff is fascinating an educated fanbase is a good fanbase. The spread of misinformation is irritating and yeah, I don't like it. Considering how much of it comes from them... I think the point makes itself? This is getting ridiculous now, you are so solidified in your viewpoint about the Vahi that you are crushing everyone elses views and claiming that TTV is the root of all evil corncerning everything, spreading misinformation and generally being the worst place online. If you want to talk about the Vahi that is fine, however now you are just trying to start some petty flame war because people disagree with your opinion. Just because TTV share the same opinion as someone else doesnt mean you can lump everything on them, thats just nonsensical. You claim 'Its not a grudge against them' however you then insult TTV, claim they are spreading misinformation for simply giving their own thoughts and implying they fraudulently got the tickets to NYCC. All while promoting BZPower as the perfect community, that you get given the pieces, that you got invited to NYCC, etc... Your own feelings towards TTV have clouded your mind so much that its painful to read your comment that is just a stream of hatred towards them that you attempt to support via claiming its in the position of trying to make the fanbase good, by insulting a large segment of the fanbase as spreading misinformation. Its just vile hatred from you, and to be honest, i dont understand why you dragged TTV and BZP into this in the first place. As for the BZPower situation you brought up, glad you did honestly as it helps prove the point here, as due to the NDA coupled with the childish rivalry situation you and other individuals have, after the first leaks reported via TTV... BZPower spent several months claiming Bionicle was not coming back and generally discrediting TTV for saying it was. Yeah, they could have easily said 'we cant discuss this at this time' but nope... guessing you are intentionally ignoring those several months of misinformation, censorship and lying so that you can fuel your own childish hatred of TTV and people who may or may not be its fans as being the sole source of misinformation It isn't a great function but it's still a pretty nice one. Additional photos are here. And here and here for Slicer and Ekimu. Yeah, Scorpio is growing on me, i like him more than Slicer now. Slicer suffers from the gears not being the small one's, would have preferred six small gears and two of those bar pieces Edited March 1, 2015 by Scarilian Quote
MakutaDreadscythe Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 But seriously I'm just here to discuss plastic, no need to go all Vietnam on us. You make it sound like a cardinal sin to discuss the Vahi or the story. It's speculation, and speculation makes for good discussion. Quote
The Outsider Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Again with the Vahi?! This is starting to become annoying! I just doubt they would do a single solitary sea creature amongst a bunch of land creatures... i mean Gali has had the shortest amount of animation screentime and not got a transparent mask yet, so not sure their is another focus on water. Atleast not for this year, and next year looks like flying sets judging from the insane amount of flying creatures in the summer box art... I think those are just bats to give the ruins/undead atmosphere. It would be cool if there was a set, though. Maybe it's the speculative, unlikely-to-happen exclusive? The actual name is "Dragon Sword of Fire". But there's a difference here. It's "Nunchuks of Lightning" or "Shurikens of Ice", it's not the exact same words being used for everything. Generic and repetitive comes into play when quite literally everything has the exact same "kind" of name. I mean, seriously: Mask of Fire Mask of Jungle Mask of Water Mask of Earth Mask of Ice Mask of Stone Everything is "Mask of X", nothing to make a distinction other than the element. Whereas NINJAGO, while it used extra words sparingly (Dragon Sword of Fire still sounds tacky to me) there was a uniqueness amongst them. Yeah, I'm really comparing oranges to bananas here, but after Generation 1 I don't think my criticism is wholly unfounded. Okay, I get your point (and agree), but if they're masks of elemental power, what else are you going to call them? "Helmet of Vines"? A water based skullvillain would had been a nice add, but then again the setting is not quite the right for it. Of course they could had just done a lake in the ancient city where those beasts would live. An antromorphic skull squid or shark would had been the best. Well, we do have that river/fountain flowing from the mask workshop... Hey sorry to break up the "Vahi Talk" but I recently found this: Just type in ICE as the Club Code WOW! This is the Second one that I found! LOL Haha, yeah, I'm lucky enough to live pretty close to one (even closer since I moved, it's a 10 minute jaunt away). But mall parking is mall parking, and ain't nobody got time for that. I liked Tahu's more after seeing this battle pose, but this Ice one is even better. Wings! Who knew? YES! True combiners are back! Quote
Scarilian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I think those are just bats to give the ruins/undead atmosphere. It would be cool if there was a set, though. Maybe it's the speculative, unlikely-to-happen exclusive? Yeah, doubt the exclusive will happen, but it would be nice getting improved flying or sea creatures. In addition, hopefully we get more polybag sets in the future, the Hero Pack was pretty good :3 Quote
Kalhiki Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Unrelated, but how long have these wallpapers been up on BIONICLE.com? There's some neat ones there.[/b] What is this? What is this? Wallpapers? These look amazing! Definitely going to be using this. Bahahaha! I just need a folder of all the Bionicle gifs people have made. Quote
Scarilian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 What is this? What is this? Wallpapers? These look amazing! Definitely going to be using this. I think its just a screenshot from one of the Lewa animations... Quote
mysteriouspi Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Yeah, doubt the exclusive will happen, but it would be nice getting improved flying or sea creatures. In addition, hopefully we get more polybag sets in the future, the Hero Pack was pretty good :3 Speaking of Hero Packs, I just ordered one today. Not sure if it'll take as long to get here as it did for some of you, but I'll be patient. I didn't see anything on LEGO S&H promoting the Hero Pack, interestingly enough... Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 That Kopaka/POI combiner looks wonderful,and the wings look especially great. But are these combiners canon? Because it never happened......maybe they all combine during the battle for the MOCR? Also, I apologize for starting the Vahi debate again. I just asked one question, and now..... Quote
Darking Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I've... actually seen that Kopaka combiner before! Here! (and here with a physical recreation) I've seen some on those on flickr, notably I remember Onua's combination... although I don't know how to unlock them in-game. I suppose you have to get all the unlockable parts or something like that. Quote
Nekchir Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Sorry for going off tangent here, but the Hero Pack seems to be available on the American website. But I can't check anything out 'cause the dumb website keeps returning me to the front page every time I try to change the shipping details. Edited March 1, 2015 by MonkeyChud Quote
The Kumquat Alchemist Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Speaking of Hero Packs, I just ordered one today. Not sure if it'll take as long to get here as it did for some of you, but I'll be patient. I didn't see anything on LEGO S&H promoting the Hero Pack, interestingly enough... All the better for us, now none of those filthy target audience kids will be able to get their hands on it! Oh, the horror, I just noticed how bad my grammar was. I suppose I did not sleep as well as I had thought. Edited March 1, 2015 by The Kumquat Alchemist Quote
DOTM Shockwave Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Nearly forgot about the Promo, anyways I went to order one (along the Double Decker Couch). Quote
Clone 01354 Productions Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Oh no, the promo! I won't be able to buy anything until Friday.....Everyone, don't get any Hero Packs. Leave some for me!! All the better for us, now none of those filthy target audience kids won't be able to get their hands on it! .....But then the promotion does not work, kids do not buy the sets, and BIONICLE is canceled again by 2016! ..... Quote
The Outsider Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 That Kopaka/POI combiner looks wonderful,and the wings look especially great. But are these combiners canon? Because it never happened......maybe they all combine during the battle for the MOCR? Also, I apologize for starting the Vahi debate again. I just asked one question, and now..... I would love that. Unlikely, though, since combinations and alternate models are advertised less and less as the years go by (a bad move, in my opinion, since LEGO sells construction sets). Quote
Dorek Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I would love that. Unlikely, though, since combinations and alternate models are advertised less and less as the years go by (a bad move, in my opinion, since LEGO sells construction sets). I think there's more of a shift in focus from "limited" to "unlimited" creativity; on the BIONICLE Facebook page, LEGO recently posted a bunch of designer MoCs, and then there was the BFTGM contest, etc. They don't want the universe to inhibit creativity, as it somewhat did last time, but rather inspire it. Quote
Scarilian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Speaking of Hero Packs, I just ordered one today. Not sure if it'll take as long to get here as it did for some of you, but I'll be patient. I didn't see anything on LEGO S&H promoting the Hero Pack, interestingly enough... If you order the pack by itself or with another Hero pack then chances are it will be delivered via post rather than courrier, that was why it took so long for us. Patience and it'll arrive, probably will take about a week or so though. As for the lack of promotion, guessing the site hasnt updated fully, as their are March sets missing also (AOU is missing two sets from the UK Site) I think there's more of a shift in focus from "limited" to "unlimited" creativity; on the BIONICLE Facebook page, LEGO recently posted a bunch of designer MoCs, and then there was the BFTGM contest, etc. They don't want the universe to inhibit creativity, as it somewhat did last time, but rather inspire it. Yeah, the only issue with that i feel is that the current CCBS system doesnt have enough CCBS parts to make it unlimited, i suppose you can combine it with technic but on its own the CCBS system is limited heavily at the moment. If you only brought the Protectors for example you could'nt creative anything as complex as any of the designer MoC's or the BFTGM entries. Is not really the fault of the system, just that its in too early a stage to allow for unlimited creativity if people are only using the Bionicle sets from 2015. Quote
Kalhiki Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I think its just a screenshot from one of the Lewa animations... True true, but saves me the trouble of screenshotting it myself. Quote
Shakar Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 >unexplained statue in the Get The Mask comics "humans in bionicle? rabblerabblerabble" >unexplained statue in the online animations "Vorox rehashes in bionicle? yaaaaay" No but seriously I'm willing to bet it's just something stylized, there for fun. Or maybe it's what one of the Skull peoples used to look like before, y'know, dying? Likely we'll have to draw our own conclusions, if there are any to be drawn. Although my headcanon is now Skull Warrior's original form. My problem is, every time I see them I think they're too set-like to not be based on sets. The Chima-like shoulder armour, the general appereance of a CCBS humanoid down to the cladding, how it uses the same blade pieces on both hands like a set would... In short, it's the same concept I discussed in regards to Ekimu, months before he was confirmed to get a set form.The fact there are statues of them hints the Okotans might worship them, as deities or sacred guardians, which would be a cool plot point. I don't think they're the Skull people: the armour and weapon style is completely different and they have a insect/arachnid motif the Skulls (Scorpio aside of course) lack. It'd be so disappointing if they ended up not representing anything, mostly because I think their design looks really sweet (dare I say on par with the Toa, in fact). It's not to be random and there is a reason if you watch the gear function video someone posted of it in here recently. It's to make sure the arms go in their intended directions. If it was symmetrical, considering the construction of the non-gear parts of the gearbox, the function wouldn't work at all - the gears would be conflicting with each other. The gears are different sizes on one side to avoid said conflict. And, if that vid was any indication, his function works very well because of it. So that is how it is, neat! I'm really loving all the fine engineering these sets sport.Anyone else planning on combining the Star Wars sets with the Bionicles? Using the Star Wars set designs as a template for a revamped Bionicle?I'm thinking of a General Grievous Skull Slicer and a Darth Vader Makuta Back when news of the sets' existence surfaced I jokingly said I'd turn Darth Vader into Makuta. I certainly did not expect we'd get such a big and impressive figure of Vader, so I actually want to do it now! Not G2 Makuta, more like something close to 2001 G1 Makuta- all black and with an infected Hau, though I'll have to do some painting work for that. I really want to see how they did Grievous. He might turn out to be a bit too big for what I want to do so I'll probably use Slicer's design instead, but a large, well designed, four armed figure should teach me a few MOCing tricks. Quote
vexorian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Yeah Darth Vader is probably going to be a must even for Bionicle folks. Grievous can either be excellent or a huge disappointment, let's see. Quote
Dorek Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 My problem is, every time I see them I think they're too set-like to not be based on sets. The Chima-like shoulder armour, the general appereance of a CCBS humanoid down to the cladding, how it uses the same blade pieces on both hands like a set would... In short, it's the same concept I discussed in regards to Ekimu, months before he was confirmed to get a set form. Right, but then we also have Makuta, who has yet to be seen in set form... even if he does, it likely won't be both forms (although I can dream~). If he does appear later on, his design will reflect the particular style of the year, whatever that may be (Ekimu has transparent armor, Protector mask, and stud shooter, all hallmarks of the current year). So while the scorpion warriors are "based" on sets, it's only because everything in the animations is that sort of style. Hero Factory included plenty of characters that were based on sets, but never truly released; that's part of the beauty of CCBS. The fact there are statues of them hints the Okotans might worship them, as deities or sacred guardians, which would be a cool plot point. I don't think they're the Skull people: the armour and weapon style is completely different and they have a insect/arachnid motif the Skulls (Scorpio aside of course) lack. It'd be so disappointing if they ended up not representing anything, mostly because I think their design looks really sweet (dare I say on par with the Toa, in fact). Well, it's not like the Skull people would look exactly as they did when they were alive, but I digress =P. That's my point; they could be a lot of different things, or nothing at all. It's what you make of it. Back when news of the sets' existence surfaced I jokingly said I'd turn Darth Vader into Makuta. I certainly did not expect we'd get such a big and impressive figure of Vader, so I actually want to do it now! Not G2 Makuta, more like something close to 2001 G1 Makuta- all black and with an infected Hau, though I'll have to do some painting work for that. Hey, in 2013 they crossed over Chima Ultrabuilds and Hero Factory. Who knows what we could see this year? Quote
dviddy Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 @Scarilian The TTV guys who won tickets from TBB did indeed win them fraudulently, they created fake accounts under numerous different names in order to increase their chances to get the tickets from the last place available. BZP ran the giveaways behind the scenes, this is a true statement. As for the rest, considering we already knew the line was coming back, we definitely did not deny the existence as you claim, we simply said leaked images and information were not allowed, which was at the request of TLG themselves, a request other sites such as EB continue to blatantly ignore. It isn't censorship, it is following the agreement we have with TLG. The vahi rumour came from TRV, was promoted solely on their channel and site, and therefore comes from them. I don't know what else you want, the rumour is baseless and a misunderstanding if Jordan's words and position. Ergo, as it is all predicated on a misunderstanding of theirs, the responsibility to clarify is also theirs. I fail to see how this is somehow a grudge. The intent wasn't to promote BZP via some sort if bragging, it was to showcase that there is no reason for us to have some grudge- we are doing just fine. I read what you wrote, which is again a bunch of regurgitated misinformation trying to circle around the truth you are continuing to ignore. Context supports nothing you have said, not even once. There is no place for a "other half of the vahi" discussion, because it comes from a re-written version of what was actually said. Again, I was - there-. Speculation is fun, but when it continues to fester on ground that was shaky at best to begin with, it becomes irritating and unwelcome. But as for the TTV tangent, we will continue to pretend you have no official role on their site and vested interest in pretending they merely "share" the view versus the reality where they invented it. Quote
Scarilian Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Yeah Darth Vader is probably going to be a must even for Bionicle folks. Grievous can either be excellent or a huge disappointment, let's see. Yeah, Grievous worries me. I'm ok with the arms and legs if they look terrible, i just really want the body and mask to look good with him. So many possibilities for a custom Mask Of Control with the Grievous mask... Back when news of the sets' existence surfaced I jokingly said I'd turn Darth Vader into Makuta. I certainly did not expect we'd get such a big and impressive figure of Vader, so I actually want to do it now! Not G2 Makuta, more like something close to 2001 G1 Makuta- all black and with an infected Hau, though I'll have to do some painting work for that. I really want to see how they did Grievous. He might turn out to be a bit too big for what I want to do so I'll probably use Slicer's design instead, but a large, well designed, four armed figure should teach me a few MOCing tricks. Glad we had similar ideas, interested to see how yours turns out (Upload pics when done) Mine will most likely be a mix between Legends Of Metru Nui and G2, just basically fiddling around with the size and scale. Yeah, hopefully they reveal Grievous soon :3 I fail to see how this is somehow a grudge. The intent wasn't to promote BZP via some sort if bragging, it was to showcase that there is no reason for us to have some grudge- we are doing just fine. You've already proven you have some kind of grudge via constantly complaining, slandering and insulting TTV when the topic is over. The conversation has moved on and to be honest, everyone is trying to ignore your hate speech and general slander of TTV The situation with them using false accounts whether true or not is not what the Bionicle 2015 discussion is meant to be discussing. I read what you wrote, which is again a bunch of regurgitated misinformation trying to circle around the truth 'The truth being your own singular interpretation of your thoughts on the Vahi, which you feel the need to constantly refrence and insult others who dont agree as being misguided.' I feel the necessity to once agian remind you that your own interpretation of your thoughts about the Vahi situation are not confirmed either, they are opinions. Nobody here is right or wrong until the situation has been adressed, and even then whatever is wrote now will still have just been speculation. But as for the TTV tangent, we will continue to pretend you have no official role on their site and vested interest in pretending they merely "share" the view versus the reality where they invented it. I swear, its like you believe that nobody other than you has any opinions of their own and thus is a sheep only able to copy what TTV says ¬.¬ We are not pretending i have no role on their site, i'm an admin for the boards, i admit that. Though the fact is it doesnt mean jack in the scheme of things. It doesnt have any relevance and thats why i didnt bring it up. I do not flaunt my position because it is not something you flaunt, i just clear-up the boards of spam and that is it. Its the same with you, your position on BZPower means nothing here, i dont think you automatically follow the opinions of BZPower and i dont throw you in with them either. I view you as a person, not a mindless drone of some kind. Just because i admin on a message boards It doesnt mean i agree with everything TTV members or fans say, and the reason why i didnt bring it up was because it is not important in the slightest to any of my views on here. It isnt important, just like your connection to BZPower isnt important here. This is Eurobricks and i just want to be able to voice my own opinion respectfully without you now targetting me for the upteenth time despite former reports and warnings from staff because my opinion disagrees with yours. Now you are continuing a discussion everyone including myself is sick-of and wanting to move on from, and throwing hate speech into it while slandering another website that has nothing to do with Eurobricks or my opinions here. (Now, can we just get back to discussing stuff like regular people, because once again, this tangent is ridiculous and tedious) Edited March 2, 2015 by Scarilian Quote
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