Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Aanchir]

Tahu and Kopaka are definitely taller. But I'm still having a hard time believing they'll be more expensive/titan sized. Do taller sets automatically mean a higher price?

No, but I'm not assuming they're different prices based on height. The biggest clue is that they have different recommended age ranges (7–14 for the smaller ones, 8–14 for the larger ones).

[Kalhiki]

No, but I'm not assuming they're different prices based on height. The biggest clue is that they have different recommended age ranges (7–14 for the smaller ones, 8–14 for the larger ones).

Aha. I just find it weird that the Toa would be divided by size classes. But maybe some variety would do some good.

[Shakar]

While it's a tad weird, I don't mind having Toa in different size. I'll assume it's a set thing anyway- it's not that the Stars suddenly got shorter in-story.

It's like the Heroes in 2012-2013- some were small sets, some were mid-size and then there was a special titan size one. The difference being that this time the small size has been cut and there are more than one large team member.

I'll assume Onua is a large set as well, since he has gold armour like Kopaka and Onua and a Hulk chest That's not a dead ringer for a figure to be a large set, but Hulk and Gorzan sacrificed their leg bulk (and parts budget) to use a bigger torso with covered by a big expensive piece. Onua's legs, instead, seem decently complex.

[Kalhiki]

While it's a tad weird, I don't mind having Toa in different size. I'll assume it's a set thing anyway- it's not that the Stars suddenly got shorter in-story.

It's like the Heroes in 2012-2013- some were small sets, some were mid-size and then there was a special titan size one. The difference being that this time the small size has been cut and there are more than one large team member.

Thing is, HF Heroes are built in a factory and can get upgraded to larger sizes. Toa are all the same species or whatever, and they should all be roughly the same height. Not to mention, if there are titan-sized Heroes, it'd be hard to make larger, imposing villains.

On the flip side of this, the more I think about it, I don't think I'd really mind different sizes. It gives you more potential and variety for Toa. You can have tall guys, and you can have short guys.

[Still Raindrop]

I like the different sizes (my original qualm with Onua notwithstanding--and that only came about because I was doing some light caving and thought of how inconvenient it would be to be bulky. Still, I still like his design, on second inspection, because he doesn't appear to be too tall, as I thought he was. And he's capable of making the tunnels bigger, anyway.). I do hope they're all relatively similar in size, so that we have two classes ("defender" and Toa, not "defender," small Toa, and large Toa. At the very least, I hope the size difference between the "defenders" and the smaller Toa is noticeably greater than the size difference between the smaller Toa and the larger Toa.

[Dorek]

Hero Factory, I think, proved a certain point of "why do all these small people win against the big people". You saw it even in 2009; Mata Nui has to beat Tuma specifically by exploiting his weakness (which took TWO separate supplemental story bits to explain, might I add) and not by virtue of being a more skilled warrior, because there needed to be a reason the small guy could beat the big guy. There are plenty of similar scenarios that play out across BIONICLE and Hero Factory; almost never does the small guy beat the big guy in direct combat, presumably because it diminishes the value of the titan sets, which are hard enough to sell as it is.

[MakutaDreadscythe]

The decision to make half of the Toa team titan priced baffles me slightly. Part of the appeal of Hero Factory was that getting a full team was never too pricey. Here though? I've gotta drop £60 for three of 'em. Or £45, hoping it's the latter. Either way £45 would have easily brought the whole team back when they first came out.

[Kingslayer]

Im going to guess that Gali, Pohatu and Lewa will be £10 and Tahu, Onua and Kopaka will be £20. The Defenders will probably be about £7 and Spidey will probably be either £10 or £20

I think hopefully everything will be around the £150 mark

I remember when it was £3 for small, £6 for canister and £15 for large, meaning that a whole YEAR(not just a wave) would come to around £150. God have times changed and Im sure there were years where they were cheaper than this.

[TwistLaw]

I'm asking it here, since it may have an interesting connection to BIONICLE's future: how is Legends of Chima doing?

I've read that sales are not exceptional, and Ninjago is the line to go as far as System is concerned.

So, does anyone know more about the subject?

[Kalhiki]

Im going to guess that Gali, Pohatu and Lewa will be £10 and Tahu, Onua and Kopaka will be £20. The Defenders will probably be about £7 and Spidey will probably be either £10 or £20

If Hero Factory's price layout is anything to go by, the Defenders will be 10, Small Toa will be 15, and Large Toa/other titans will be 20-25. But I still just can't imagine them making half the Toa a higher price. Maybe we'll see a new price point? Like, 12 for small Toa? Or better yet, 5 for Defenders.

To the post above me: I was (and still am) under the impression that Chima was doing well enough to keep going (meeting expectations and the like), but definitely not on the caliber of Ninjago.

[EVO97]

If Hero Factory's price layout is anything to go by, the Defenders will be 10, Small Toa will be 15, and Large Toa/other titans will be 20-25. But I still just can't imagine them making half the Toa a higher price. Maybe we'll see a new price point? Like, 12 for small Toa? Or better yet, 5 for Defenders.

To the post above me: I was (and still am) under the impression that Chima was doing well enough to keep going (meeting expectations and the like), but definitely not on the caliber of Ninjago.

That price system would make sense based on the current HF pricing, but the Defenders look small for $10 sets, especially if the mock up that Leewan made is accurate to the final design

[TwistLaw]

To the post above me

Am I so ugly you don't even want to quote me?

lol joking

[Leewan]

That price system would make sense based on the current HF pricing, but the Defenders look small for $10 sets, especially if the mock up that Leewan made is accurate to the final design

My design has 17 parts. I think with the weapons, body armor, head and spider, the parts count should reach between 30 and 40 parts, which wouldn't make a 7-8 $/€/£ price too unlikely.

BTW, my Tahu has 41 parts. With the lava surf and the spider, the total parts count should be close to 50, maybe 55. I wouldn't want to pay 20 or 25 € for so few parts, even if it's Tahu.

[PenPlays]

If I may chime in, I have to be completely honest, the Defender's "skeleton" (according to Leewan's MOC-ups) are actually taller than the ROCKA Crawler set released this Summer. $10 for a Defender doesn't seem that far fetched, seeing as ROCKA Crawler is set at that price point.

Regarding the size of the Toa. I understand everyone's speculating that Tahu, Kopaka, and possibly Onua are Titan sized, but beside torso shells on Tahu's legs, how is everyone gathering that idea? All six Toa look very close in price count. The "box" sizes on the colored display image of all six Toa look identical (even the Lord of Skull Spiders has a similar sized "box").

Don't get me wrong though, I would love see Titan sized forms of the Toa.

[TheGreatSpirit]

I think that the 3 larger Toa will either be 15 or 20 dollars. Remember, the images we have are still a tad bit small for us to see any additional constructions on the back/torso. They could be using a Furno XL build as titan sets, or something similar to the Chima sets as 15 dollar sets.

[Kalhiki]

Am I so ugly you don't even want to quote me?

lol joking

Darn. You figured me out. :P

Regarding the size of the Toa. I understand everyone's speculating that Tahu, Kopaka, and possibly Onua are Titan sized, but beside torso shells on Tahu's legs, how is everyone gathering that idea? All six Toa look very close in price count. The "box" sizes on the colored display image of all six Toa look identical (even the Lord of Skull Spiders has a similar sized "box").

Don't get me wrong though, I would love see Titan sized forms of the Toa.

As Aanchir said at the top of the page (and originally in reply to a post of mine), it's due to the age ranges which can be seen in the colored image we got. But I agree. They all look so similar. And I can't figure out where the pieces to merit a higher price would go on the set. Plus, why would they make the main heroes a higher price if we know that smaller sets sell better?

Hopefully the color picture is still preliminary enough that not even the age ranges are finalized.

Edited August 3, 2014 by Kalhiki

[Shakar]

Keep in mind CCBS makes for much shorter figures, so the taller Toa are going to be around Toa Inika height.

Not that bad, though I'll most likely mod the Toa to be around the same height (between Stormer 2.0 and Breakout larger Heroes). With characters like Onua being stocky and shorter and ones like Kopaka taller and leaner.

I always wanted to have the Toa with different body bulds and you don't know how happy I am I can finally pull it off with the CCBS.

[VBBN]

Different size classes for Toa is going to be a very interesting thing. With the old-Bionicle it was accepted that Toa were usually always a standard canister set. $9-$12 depending on the year, but they all had a consistent size in their own respective years. When you look at a Toa Inika compared to a Toa Mata, they almost seem like titans within themselves. To me, having vastly different sizes of Toa might be a bit strange to grasp a hold of. Yes, teams can come in different shapes and sizes, but even with the different a varied builds we saw in 2007-2009, they all still remained roughly the same size. With Hero Factory, XL sets were much larger than their other counterparts, and a lot of the time for no reason at all (Furno...) I always felt that a team of Toa should look like a team. When you look at a Toa, something should say "they came from that team." From what I've seen in the photos so far, there's not a lot to make them feel as though they are a cohesive bunch, especially if some Toa are larger an have special golden armor and feel like they don't belong in the same class as the other Toa. There's a difference between making a Toa bulkier or more muscular, and making a Toa big for no reason. I'm just glad they didn't stick to the HF approach and make some Toa the smallest sets.

I like to hold off judgement until better photos (hence my silence on the speculation so far, I don't really have anything valuable to input) but there are a lot of things I'm curious to see how they pull off.

[Sir Walter Maugham]

I'm just glad they didn't stick to the HF approach and make some Toa the smallest sets.

Agreed. That was one of my biggest concerns.

At this point my biggest worry is how the golden armor will work. In the pictures that we have it looks absolutely terrible on Kopaka IMO. And outside of Tahu and maybe Gali, the rest look like their gold armor is thrown sporadically into their color scheme.

But, these are preliminary, so hopefully their color scheme will end up looking more cohesive.

[Aethersprite]

Agreed. That was one of my biggest concerns.

At this point my biggest worry is how the golden armor will work. In the pictures that we have it looks absolutely terrible on Kopaka IMO. And outside of Tahu and maybe Gali, the rest look like their gold armor is thrown sporadically into their color scheme.

But, these are preliminary, so hopefully their color scheme will end up looking more cohesive.

Agreed. The gold looks good on Tahu and decent on Onua. I think Lewa, Gali, or even Pohatu could pull it off, but it looks horrible on Kopaka IMO. It's worsened by the fact that the gold-and-white colour scheme is one that is traditionally Takanuva's, not Kopaka's.

[Shakar]

I think Kopaka would look a lot better with some tr light blue shells, which he probably uses (the Ice Defender features the colour). As of now, he's pretty much Takanuva with an Akaku and some new weapons.

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Maybe the golden armored ones will be special edition sets of them with their normal colors, like the Jetrax set with the gold (or was it yellow?) pieces sold at Target. They'd probably have golden Kanohi if they were gonna be special edition, though.

[BrickBuilder3213]

*Post edited because of incorrect and out-of-date information.*

My bad, guys. My bad. ^o^"

Edited August 4, 2014 by BrickBuilder3213

[davidr]

Maybe the golden armored ones will be special edition sets of them with their normal colors, like the Jetrax set with the gold (or was it yellow?) pieces sold at Target. They'd probably have golden Kanohi if they were gonna be special edition, though.

It was yellow and I don't think this is the case. Last special edition set we got was Bulk vs. Vapor back in 2010 and it was basicly new set, not existing one with different colors.

[Toa of Gallifrey]

It was yellow and I don't think this is the case. Last special edition set we got was Bulk vs. Vapor back in 2010 and it was basicly new set, not existing one with different colors.

True. Plus Bulk vs. Vapor wasn't even a special version of Bulk in itself, it was a villain that featured a special version of Bulk. Same with Furno Cycle being a new vehicle with an existing (slightly edited) figure. Still, it happened before so I was just throwing it out there.