BrickJagger Posted September 26, 2015 Author Posted September 26, 2015 I also think Chima is hard to beat - What could be cooler than Icezombiesabertoothtigers? All the cool factions, no lava monster can keep up with that. And they were also in Chima's fourth wave, while Nexo Knights is in its first. Funny thing is, not to long ago no one liked Chima and know you guys are all saying how great it was in comparison to Nexo Knights, similar to the comparisons to Castle 2013, which no one liked at the time. This theme will have a large fanbase soon enough, as this is just the latest installment of AFOLS and their hate/love relationship with new themes. Quote
x105Black Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Chima was/is trash. This is the truth. Just like Nexo Knights, it had few saving graces. Quote
Dannylonglegs Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) All new things are/were trash. Insectoids 4evar! I dunno, I am also in the non-fan of Chima club. It had some good pieces, and some good figures, and a few really good sets, but overall, I still have a neutral to negative opinion on the theme as a whole, as the vast majority of figures were too stylized to find secondary uses (in my opinion), and, the story was meh to me (but I am always averse to childish stories. I even was as a child.) Ultimately I could take it or leave it in regards to that theme. I think the same may be my opinion for this theme. Of course I'll get a few. Some of the figures look really nice, and the pieces are always enticing, but the story will be childish (I know I'm not the demographic for that, no need to remind me. ) and some of the sets just look bad. I actually think wave 1 of Chima had a better set design than half of these. I mean, Chima really did have some nice (if not terribly goofy) sets. Lance's mechanical horse looks like the worst set in Lego's recent past. maybe it has some function to explain the crude exterior? I hope it does. Otherwise it's just a missed opportunity (the idea isn't bad) and a really bare-bones model which I will certainly not purchase. Other models in the theme look pretty good. While I find the chomped chariot goofy, I'll admit the idea is great and it looks like they really pulled it off well. Also the flying "horse" that goes with the set is great. I'm a fan of mini-flyers like that. too expensive for me to pic it up though, I think, although the pyramid pieces may make me reconsider that. ~Insectoid Aristocrat Edited September 26, 2015 by Dannylonglegs Quote
Kliq Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Hey, I loved 2013's castle line. The fact that you could expand the castle with the gatehouses was awesome. It was just the sort of modularity I was hoping would be capitalized on in a new castle line. There's bound to be a new Nexo Knights retailer exclusive set that is pretty big that we haven't even heard of yet, right?? Quote
BrickJagger Posted September 26, 2015 Author Posted September 26, 2015 *The Castle behind the Robo Horse.....* :wink: Quote
x105Black Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I actually liked the 2013 Castle sets as well, although there weren't really very many of them. Of course, I have a few complaints about the colors being a bit bright, some sets being fairly small, and the lack of civilians, but overall it was a good theme. I don't find Nexo Knights anywhere near as impressive as 2013. Quote
Dr.Cogg Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Is it just me, or do some of the "Lava Monsters" look more like demons. Quote
Dannylonglegs Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Is it just me, or do some of the "Lava Monsters" look more like demons. They totally do! Lego was real clever to name them "lava monsters" though, because I'm sure Parents would be appalled to hear their children wanted to "play with demons" that were "summoned" by Jestro. Ha! So I do like that aspect of the theme. It's actually pretty Warhammer-y in these respects. A grim-dark version of this theme could be pretty funny/cool. They are also associated with "Chaos" which adds to the obvious implication that they are in-fact demons from some lava-filled chaos realm. ~Insectoid Aristocrat Edited September 26, 2015 by Dannylonglegs Quote
Amazing Bricks Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) So, here's an overview of all the sets: 70310 Knighton Battle Blaster: Blue nexo knight, Mohawk lava monster 70311 Chaos Catapult: Blue nexo knight, Mohawk lava monster 70312 Lance's Mecha Horse: Lance, robo knight, mohawk lava monster 70313 Moltor's Lava Smasher: Aaron, Moltor 70314 Beast Master's Chaos Chariot: Beast Master, Macy 70315 Clay's Rumble Blade: Clay, 2 robo knights, lava monster, fire creature 70316 Jestro's Companions of Darkness: Jestro, Lance, Monster, 2 fire creatures 70317 Fortrex: Clay, Aaron, bull knight, robo chef? 1 lava monster Edited September 26, 2015 by amazingbricks Quote
Robert8 Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) 70317 Fortrex: Clay, Aaron, Merlock hologram, 2 lava monsters (There's probably more, i don't know the full set) The Bull Knight, the robot (?) chef and one villain The Merlok hologram (?) is a printed piece/sticker. Not a minifigure Edited September 26, 2015 by Robert8 Quote
VintageLegoEra Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 With Nexo Castle theme to be out, all the hopes are down...:-(. What a shame ugly Nexo theme made by Lego!! Hope the old Classic Castle designers are there to bring back the Glory of this theme/Sets Quote
CaptainToad Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Funny thing is, not to long ago no one liked Chima and know you guys are all saying how great it was in comparison to Nexo Knights, similar to the comparisons to Castle 2013, which no one liked at the time. This theme will have a large fanbase soon enough, as this is just the latest installment of AFOLS and their hate/love relationship with new themes. I never liked Chima - dont like the idea of motorized vehicles - western trains is as far as I could imagine to go :) Castle 2013 was very poor in many regards - the thing is that a new wave of anything is expected to better than the last, and castle 2013 was a step back in many regards - however, it was not that bad - otherwise I wouldnt have bought some of the sets nexo knights might get a fanbase - however, I doubt that too many people who are into historic context will buy it or like it - if people complained about castle 2013 this will certainly not make them happy another thing that might bother people is that nexo knights could seriously diminish the chances of a proper castle theme - I mean why should lego invest in a castle theme if the kids want to play with nexo knights? And if this is the direction lego is going we might not see some proper 'historic' themes ant time soon - pirates will be replaced by ninjago pirates and if it is ever gonna come back it will probably be a rehash of sort with another fortress, treasure island and pirate ship. Another factor that might play a role in the general disapointment is the steampunk element that was rumoured early on - people were curious as to what it will be like - personally I am not too much a fan of steampunk but might give it a chance if it was done well - people were also hoping to get some knights that are more or less compatible with other castle knights. Furthermore I believe that once it has launched the nexo knights theme will be moved to the action forum after all it appears to be everything but historic Edited September 26, 2015 by CaptainToad Quote
Exetrius Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Lego was real clever to name them "lava monsters" though, because I'm sure Parents would be appalled to hear their children wanted to "play with demons" that were "summoned" by Jestro. Ha! So I do like that aspect of the theme. It's actually pretty Warhammer-y in these respects. A grim-dark version of this theme could be pretty funny/cool. A grim-dark version you say? I can assume you Nocturnus will gratefully take these new pieces and forge some pitch black awesomeness out of it! I like the idea of demons, I hope we will see the bulky armor and shields eventually used for them, in gunmetal grey or black... Would be so awesome! With Nexo Castle theme to be out, all the hopes are down...:-(. What a shame ugly Nexo theme made by Lego!! Hope the old Classic Castle designers are there to bring back the Glory of this theme/Sets Please don't shout your opinion like that and without explaination, it contributes zero to the discussion. Also, the last sentence, what on earth do you mean by that? Be specific! nexo knights might get a fanbase - however, I doubt that too many people who are into historic context will buy it or like it - if people complained about castle 2013 this will certainly not make them happy I am 99% sure that this theme will get a pretty large fanbase. TLG has many talented designers that are able to execute a bad concept in a cool way (and this is not a bad one imo!). Remember that this is only the first wave and we are talking about a 'big bang' theme, this type tends to change it's style and concept standards over it's multiple waves. We should wait and see how this theme develops. Watch out Castle fans; you might find yourself interested later on! Finally, again, these are only prelims, frankly, we are foolish to discuss set quality in such an early stage. Edited September 26, 2015 by Exetrius Quote
CaptainToad Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I am 99% sure that this theme will get a pretty large fanbase. TLG has many talented designers that are able to execute a bad concept in a cool way (and this is not a bad one imo!). Remember that this is ony the first wave and we are talking about a 'big bang' theme, this type tends to change it's style and concept standards over it's multiple waves. We should wait and see how this the develops. Watch out Castle fans; you might find yourself interested later on! Finally, again, these are only prelims, frankly, we are foolish to discuss set quality in such an early stage. don't get me wrong, I am not against nexo knights for the sake of being against nexo knight - I am just pretty disappointed thats all, which is not to say that I cannot change my mind or something. I will certainly have a look at it. In a certain way I even have to agree with you - I was always against Chima and dismissed Ninjago UNTIL the temple of Arjitzu came out - after that I even bought the enter the serpent set, that is why I am not writing it off completely Quote
8BrickMario Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Yeah, they're monsters from a burning lava realm...totally not demons! Brave move, LEGO. I've said it too many times, but I think "traditional" Castle needs a break. The last line was uninspired and stale, so maybe they should take some time off to figure out how to bring it back properly. LEGO isn't worried about this, becaue kids are far less likely to have a tantrum about a lack of regular Castle sets. If you want to keep Castle alive, keep building! Make MOCs out of existing sets to prove that the interest is still there. Quote
Robert8 Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I think the last Castle line (2013) was just what it was supposed to be: A simple and "starter" line designed to introduce Castle to newer generations (I bet we'll get something like that in the next Space theme) Edited September 26, 2015 by Robert8 Quote
Lyichir Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 With Nexo Castle theme to be out, all the hopes are down...:-(. What a shame ugly Nexo theme made by Lego!! Hope the old Classic Castle designers are there to bring back the Glory of this theme/Sets I'm sure there are some of the old Classic Castle designers still at Lego. But then again, it wouldn't surprise me if some of them worked on these very sets. Just because a designer worked on one type of set 30 years ago doesn't mean that they're limited to that sort of subject matter, or that they're unwilling to innovate and push the boundaries of what can be done with those classic themes. Just as an example, Niels Milan Pedersen (one of the longest-serving designers I'm aware of) designed the original Lego horse which first appeared in sets in 1984 (as well as other classic animal designs like the crocodile and octopus), and since then has gone on to design for themes such as Fantasy Castle, Atlantis, Space Police III, and even Galidor. It wouldn't surprise me if he's contributed to the lava monsters and other unique figure parts in this theme, too. Quote
Exetrius Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) don't get me wrong, I am not against nexo knights for the sake of being against nexo knight - I am just pretty disappointed thats all, which is not to say that I cannot change my mind or something. I will certainly have a look at it. In a certain way I even have to agree with you - I was always against Chima and dismissed Ninjago UNTIL the temple of Arjitzu came out - after that I even bought the enter the serpent set, that is why I am not writing it off completely Yes, the Temple of Airjitzu is a real game-changer (though quality of waves in general also improved). Of course I understand your disappointment. Admittedly, when I first saw the prelims I was a little let down myself. I really wouldn't mind if at some point, the theme takes a turn towards more traditional fantasy era. The show enables more drastical changes in the theme. For example (what I would like to see ): the main villain succeeds in destroying all technology and fancy mobile fortresses. The heroes are depowered and need to start form scratch; back to basics; rebooted . So, they start building castles and towers and catapults, they rely on magic and their very basic knowledge of ancient machines. (Et voilà, the castle purists are back aboard ) Futher on, they have figured out how to build a steam engine and well.... Steampunk! (don't care that much, some folks here do ) So yeah, a lot of possibilities... Edited September 26, 2015 by Exetrius Quote
VintageLegoEra Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I'm sure there are some of the old Classic Castle designers still at Lego. But then again, it wouldn't surprise me if some of them worked on these very sets. Just because a designer worked on one type of set 30 years ago doesn't mean that they're limited to that sort of subject matter, or that they're unwilling to innovate and push the boundaries of what can be done with those classic themes. Just as an example, Niels Milan Pedersen (one of the longest-serving designers I'm aware of) designed the original Lego horse which first appeared in sets in 1984 (as well as other classic animal designs like the crocodile and octopus), and since then has gone on to design for themes such as Fantasy Castle, Atlantis, Space Police III, and even Galidor. It wouldn't surprise me if he's contributed to the lava monsters and other unique figure parts in this theme, too. Thanks for your Nice reply , not like the other guy ( UP ) who just shoots without thinking..... What i meant is, i would love to see the Lion Crusaders, Black Falcons and Knight kingdom to come back again Please don't shout your opinion like that and without explaination, it contributes zero to the discussion. Also, the last sentence, what on earth do you mean by that? Be specific! I am illustrating my opinion whether you like it or not!! Quote
gedren_y Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I am wondering if the red monsters in the preliminary image might just be stand-ins for the lava monsters. The head on the bad guy fig in the Clay's (whatever they call it) isn't the cyclops head from the artwork pic. I have been trying to figure out how the shields attach to the pentagon, and how the handle is positioned. Has anyone seen an image that shows the back of the shields? Quote
Robert8 Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I am wondering if the red monsters in the preliminary image might just be stand-ins for the lava monsters. The head on the bad guy fig in the Clay's (whatever they call it) isn't the cyclops head from the artwork pic. The cyclops monster shown in the artwork pic comes in the Jestro set I'm 90% sure that everything in that artwork pic is final, not prem. The lava monsters look pretty different in the Fortrex and Jestro set prems Quote
SerenityInFire Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Man, where are you people finding these set images? I've been searching and searching google, and have only found one catalog image that's so small, I can't make out any of the details. :/ Quote
Exetrius Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Thanks for your Nice reply , not like the other guy ( UP ) who just shoots without thinking..... First of all: "the other guy" has a name! Assuming "who shoots without thinking" refers to me, this is not true. My reaction to your post is perfectly valid. If you are not specific enough, your post gives indeed little to think about. Let me elaborate: With Nexo Castle theme to be out, all the hopes are down...:-(. <-- don't make generalizations, it is your opinion after all What a shame ugly Nexo theme made by Lego!! <-- you make a claim, where is your elaboration, huh? Hope the old Classic Castle designers are there to bring back the Glory of this theme/Sets <-- this theme has no glory (incredibly subjective!) yet, so it can't be brought back. This implies that you are talking about some 'glorious' theme, but which one that may be is not stated. What i meant is, i would love to see the Lion Crusaders, Black Falcons and Knight kingdom to come back again I am illustrating my opinion whether you like it or not!! Now you are being specific, which is great, you should have said this in you initial post. Also, I am certain that you misunderstood me; I wanted you to illustrate your opinion! Quote
danth Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 I think the last Castle line (2013) was just what it was supposed to be: A simple and "starter" line designed to introduce Castle to newer generations (I bet we'll get something like that in the next Space theme) I really hope that's the case! I nice simple Space theme unlike the super violent Galaxy Squad or cops vs. robbers flying cars of Space Police 3. Quote
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