Nexo Knights 2016

[BrickSev]

(but I think you mean credibility rather than notoriety)

Well most of the times, especially around the internet, notoriety creates credibility

Anyway my personal policy on these things is to just wait and see what happen .

I may be wrong since I haven't read every single post here but I think sometimes BrickJagger feels like he is no believed/trusted and so he takes things "personal" (just to quote the word used )

Once again I may be wrong, be it's a sort of "other persons post rumors and they are trusted without a cross examination but I'm not".

Those persons though are quite famous and have "leaked" rumors for a very long time so they acquired a certain degree of trust among their readers/viewers.

With the abundance of info spread across the web about any possible matter, it's obvious persons don't trust a source without a lot of proofs.

I understand why both "parties" feel like they felt in their previous posts. One "side" and the "other".

I'm not joining the "quarrel" lol, like I said since I have no info myself I'll wait and see what happens regarding the Castle theme

[Deathleech]

The fuss is because BrickJagger takes this thread personally. We are all quite sure that there will be Castle next year, even if he never started the thread or said anything. We have no more information than any modern Castle AFOL could figure out for themself, since Castle is due next year anyway.

I understand what the fuss is about. I have seen new members post fake lists or information many times before, across many different hobbies just to stir up trouble. What I meant was who cares in this case though? Even if Brickjagger made up every single thing he posted and never talked to anyone, it most likely will still turn out to be true just because it's something so general and expected. It would be like me making a thread about Star Wars having new battle packs in 2016, or another new wave based on the Force Awakens. Of course it's true, it's a given considering Lego's history. I don't need to hear anything to know this is coming. Now if he were posting specific lists, set names, set builds, etc., now that would be something more concrete and worth getting upset about if he were lying. As is he could be lying but it most likely will turn out to be true one way or another.

I can't really see LEGO making a new wave of a licensed theme that failed.

But Lego can put it in a new video game and make several sets based off it? I would have agreed with you a few months ago, but seeing the Dimensions game has made me question things. I doubt we will get a new LotR wave, but I am hopeful we get at least a few missing LotR sets under the Dimensions theme.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

I was surprised to see LotR so prominently in Dimensions. When I look at it though, it's marketed as Dimensions and not LotR. Personally I see this as a sign that despite how poorly the LotR theme performed, LEGO hasn't given up on it yet.

[alohamitsu]

That's great it will be more fantasy themed since the last Castle theme was a disappointment to me...

[Klaus-Dieter]

Thank you very much for this news, BrickJagger!

The last Castle theme from was already very bad. But that we seem to get a fantasy Castle next year is even worse!

I was a big fan of the 2010-2012 Kingdoms theme. And imo TLG should bring back a theme like this one or at least give us some more exclusive, (more or less) realistic castle sets like the Medieval Market Village or the Kingdoms Tournament since these have really been the best castle sets ever!

Klaus-Dieter

[azog]

I'm with you on that I loved the kingdoms line I own all of the sets but sadly I missed out on the tournament scene but at least I got the medieval village!!!!

[Khaled Yousef]

I was surprised to see LotR so prominently in Dimensions. When I look at it though, it's marketed as Dimensions and not LotR. Personally I see this as a sign that despite how poorly the LotR theme performed, LEGO hasn't given up on it yet.

I’m glad LEGO don’t make marketing decisions based on the opinions of a couple of internet posts deciding for a fact that LOTR sets sold so poorly.

[Alcarin]

I can't really see LEGO making a new wave of a licensed theme that failed.

Can i get official that it failed? Liek some actual proof not your made up believe things please?

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

Can i get official that it failed? Liek some actual proof not your made up believe things please?

Likewise, show me something official that shows it was a success. LEGO never releases that information. All we have are our opinions.

My opinion is we'll get a wave of Castle sets before we see another wave of LotR. There's nothing official yet to support my opinion but let's just call it a hunch.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Sir_Basil_Ashton

[Blakstone]

Sir Basil Ashton, the inclusion of Lord of the Rings in Dimensions shows that it is a success as is the frequency that TLG CEO mentions LotR. While I likely will sit out the four Dimensions sets that have LotR minifigs (three of which have LotR builds) that comes in September. Is the rumored next Castle wave after that?

I think LotR was a success while the Hobbit and Castle 2013 was not. I am a huge Castle fan and look forward to seeing what 2016 has for us. But there is no need to bash LotR and with the Dimensions news, there is not much to support that it was a failure.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Blakstone

[Khaled Yousef]

I think LotR was a success while the Hobbit and Castle 2013 was not. I am a huge Castle fan and look forward to seeing what 2016 has for us. But there is no need to bash LotR and with the Dimensions news, there is not much to support that it was a failure.

Exactly.

And while we only have a rumor about Castle 2016, as strong as it might be, we already have actual announcement of LOTR sets coming out soon, and that's an indication that LOTR wasn't a fail.

[Sir_Basil_Ashton]

For me, I see LEGO Dimensions with LEGO Lord of the Rings characters. What will happen when LEGO Dimensions is released? It's my opinion that when these sets are released, when I go to LEGO Shop at Home, I will find the sets with LEGO LotR characters under the theme LEGO Dimensions. When I look at the box of these sets, it will say "LEGO Dimensions". The advertising for this will be under LEGO Dimensions, not LEGO LotR. I can keep going with this but I won't. If LEGO LotR fans want to call these sets new LotR sets, have at it, it's their opinion and they're entitled to it.

One question, where is the discussion on LEGO Dimensions taking place at here on Eurobricks? I can't seem to find it under "LEGO Historic Themes".

Edited April 24, 2015 by Sir_Basil_Ashton

[Deathleech]

Just because the LotR stuff is being released under the Dimensions property doesn't mean it was a failure. Dimensions also is including Ninjago and Lego Movie stuff and we know for a fact those were HUGE successes. If anything, wouldn't it be safe to say Lego included some of their more popular themes in the Dimensions theme?

There could be a million reasons Lego is doing LotR dimensions products instead of just releasing a new LotR wave. Maybe that particular license expired or it was bundled with the Hobbit which Lego no longer wants to make sets based off of? Maybe Lego had planned the Dimensions stuff long ago? Maybe they don't want to make anymore entire waves based on LotR, but still want to get a few sets out here and there per year? There could be a million explanations.

[Khaled Yousef]

If LEGO LotR fans want to call these sets new LotR sets, have at it, it's their opinion and they're entitled to it.

It’s not about LOTR fans’ opinions, it’s a fact that these are LEGO sets, they have LOTR brand on them alongside Dimensions logo and they have LOTR minifigs and construction elements. Choosing to neglect all those facts just because one isn’t a LOTR fan and want so bad to believe LOTR failed is something else entirely.

And I agree Deathleech; those are some interesting points you brought up here, there could possibly be many reasons why LEGO decided to include LOTR to the Dimensions world, none of which could possibly be “hey, people didn’t like LOTR, so let’s force some new LOTR based sets on them so they’d fail as well.”

[Darth Punk]

Most likely LoTR is being included in dimensions because the Lego LoTR game did well. Whether the individual sets were successful or not is really irrelevant. We can all agree that LoTR is a popular theme, but it still remains to be seen if that translates into toy sales.

I also would add while people keep referring the dimensions LoTR as sets, they really are nothing more than one would see in a polybag. Expect you are also paying for the right to use said character in relation to the game.

Edited April 24, 2015 by Darth Punk

[Master_Data]

One question, where is the discussion on LEGO Dimensions taking place at here on Eurobricks? I can't seem to find it under "LEGO Historic Themes".

It's a bit complicated. There is a physical brick discussion in the Licensed forum (which has been ignored for the most part- everyone just discusses the figures in their respective theme) and the game discussion in the Culture and Multimedia forum.

[gedren_y]

About LOTR in Dimensions; Lego likely still retains the license. Without major media back-up, a full theme of licensed sets doesn't make as much business sense. An in-house Castle theme would cost less, and could still appeal to Lego's core customer base. With the license's inclusion, LOTR/Hobbit fans (mostly teens and adults) that have been drawn in to becoming Lego fans will be attracted to this new gamng platform.

[Vorkosigan]

...there could possibly be many reasons why LEGO decided to include LOTR to the Dimensions world, none of which could possibly be “hey, people didn’t like LOTR, so let’s force some new LOTR based sets on them so they’d fail as well.”

Literally no one said that, Sir_Basil_Ashton said that the inclusion in Dimensions suggests LEGO still has faith in LOTR (despite possibly poor sales).

No one really knows how well the themes sold but there are more indications that the Hobbit did poorly then there are that it did well. I'm not saying that it was a "failure" per-say but it doesn't look like a hit. The small third wave of the Hobbit with very little retail support shows that the Hobbit (at least 2nd wave and beyond) did not do well. A lot of people on here jump on these sorts of comments (rather rudely), and your only evidence to the theme's success is that you like it. Well I like the Hobbit and LOTR too but that doesn't change the fact that little shelf presence in major chains shows that retailers had no faith in the 3rd wave. Other people have observed this on here and I have personally seen it in many stores in my area. The canceling of the BoFA DLC for the Hobbit video game is also a likely sign of poor performance.

The inclusion of LOTR in Dimensions likely has to do with it being an available WB license and its fit to the theme of the game. All the characters in the game are based on some sort of story, they wouldn't use just generic Castle figures as they aren't named characters.

[thetang22]

So....enough talk about LotR and Hobbit in this thread (there's threads for that). Let's keep it focused on Castle, purdy please.

[Khaled Yousef]

Vorkosigan: LOL, and the only evidence you have that it did poorly is what exactly? A couple of internet posts? A casual observation of an empty shelf in your local store? Again, I’m glad LEGO don’t use this funky method in their market studies.

Seriously man, I really don’t get what you say here, perhaps you misunderstood us, Sir Basil said LOTR theme did poorly, I commented it didn’t and my evidence is that LEGO still uses it (be it on polybag-like sets or whatever) and they can’t be so stupid as to keep releasing stuff related to a theme that failed. Neither of us mentioned Hobbit sets, which was established in other thread (future LOTR) that it actually didn’t do well and we all agree on that one way or another.

Now back to Castle, so BrickJagger do you only have confirmation for the theme or also some more details about the sets too? Maybe some little information that would get this conversation going in the right direction?

[Deathleech]

I also would add while people keep referring the dimensions LoTR as sets, they really are nothing more than one would see in a polybag. Expect you are also paying for the right to use said character in relation to the game.

It sounded like Lego has plans to make bigger sets with more brick components that can be used with the game though. At least that was my understanding. I think that is what has people excited. A smaller $30-50 Balrog or Fel Beast set would be nice. If nothing else, hopefully we get some missing characters like Sauron, the Witch King, or Eowyn in the "fun packs".

About LOTR in Dimensions; Lego likely still retains the license.

It looks like the license has been revised, at the very least. I am guessing they have something now that allows them to make game based sets. If that's the case, they don't have to base their sets on the movies and can base them on whatever appears in the game instead. We can already see that a little bit with Legolas and Gimli's small builds. Also the fact there are no Hobbit sets, or mention of the Hobbit theme, makes me think Lego just got the LotR one for use with their Dimension stuff. It seems like the license was revised quite a bit from the original agreement.

[BrickJagger]

Now back to Castle, so BrickJagger do you only have confirmation for the theme or also some more details about the sets too? Maybe some little information that would get this conversation going in the right direction?

Nope. We'll get something soon enough.

For the guys talking about Lotr, there's a thread for that.

[Khaled Yousef]

In Star Wars we usually get information on summer wave around February, and since Castle 2016 is rumored to be an April release I guess we’ll not be hearing anything useful before winter.

[Robert8]

In Star Wars we usually get information on summer wave around February, and since Castle 2016 is rumored to be an April release I guess we’ll not be hearing anything useful before winter.

I thought it was rumored to be released on January

[Khaled Yousef]

A couple of pages back someone said April; can we get a confirmation on the correct release date anyone?