Unrest in the Forest, Day 1: Rush

[Duvors]

This is you saying "I have no clue what I'm talking about, so I will quote someone who seems to know what he is doing and make myself look smart".

When I see you in tree heaven, after all of this is over, and all of the Oaks are dead because they let a maple slip under the radar, I will wave my middle branch in your face and say "should have listened, should have listened". It's like you didn't even try to understand what I was saying. And I am not trying to put suspicions on any particular set of trees, I am pointing out that in every past experience I have had, I died because I let people who didn't talk slip under the radar.

Translation; "Hahahahha I'm much smarter that you, you have no chance of winning without me! If you kill me you'll all die and I'll rub it in your faces! Haha!"

Look, the way you phrased it, 'people I've let slip under the radar too many times' makes it seem like you're trying to cast suspicion on people who have been your opponents in previous games, not to point out that people who don't talk a lot are dangerous, which we already know.

[Dragonfire]

Where do we stand on votes? (Again, mobile or I'd check myself)

I believe Alistair is in the lead with 9 votes on him (13 votes required for a lynch). Bobby is coming second with his 5 penalty votes;; nobody else has more than two votes. (Catarina, Hazel, Bruce and Larry have two votes apiece)

[Yzalirk]

So you are voting for me because I am voting for Hazel? Really? Hazel hasn't clarified anything I asked her to. Hazel is the one getting defensive. And you are watching her back. With all the votes for you, because you supported/defended Hazel on Day 1, and your still doing it? This screams that you are both maples.

Please, show me where I am getting aggressive and overly defensively scum behavior. And I can assure you (from a previous tree life) that Hazel and you are not noobs.

You said yourself that would don't mind being "sacrificed" though so why are you doing The Flail when you have one vote against you (I think?).

And I agree with what Cherry said. It seems to me when you you vote for someone who is suspicious for you, it's fine, but when someone else does it to you, you get "butt-hurt" as per people say. Not only are you doing this game but you've done the very same thing last game.

[Lady K]

Why is it everytime you get caused your reaction is "you must be scum for voting for me" & "now I'm suspecting you for suspecting me"? (Im on my mobile, but I'll be happy to go back and provide examples as soon as I'm home) People having suspicions is not only normal, it's necessary. This reactionary behavior stifles positive conversation. In other words, I'm sticking with my vote.

Where do we stand on votes? (Again, mobile or I'd check myself)

*accused, not caused.

Anyone can go back and see both you and Alistair have serious flaws in you reasoning against me. And with all the other votes (and reasons) for Alistair and with the maple buddy behavior with Hazel you still choose me? It's your vote, your choice. But it does seem as you are now supporting/defending Alistair? Care to explain?

[Hinckley]

This is what I answered. You are right in that I justified her voting for a random player. I misunderstood what she had said, but I was still wrong to justify it.

How did you understand it? What did you think she had said?

[Lady K]

You said yourself that would don't mind being "sacrificed" though so why are you doing The Flail when you have one vote against you (I think?).

And I agree with what Cherry said. It seems to me when you you vote for someone who is suspicious for you, it's fine, but when someone else does it to you, you get "butt-hurt" as per people say. Not only are you doing this game but you've done the very same thing last game.

I never said I wanted to be cut down, I don't, I want to live to continue in the sun. What I really said was that I am prepared to be sacrificed if it saves more oaks from perishing. Just remember that previous days and conversations are looked at for the next day tree sacrifice. So all you say is out in the open for everyone to analyze.

Interesting that you agree with Cherry, noted. But my vote stays on you for reasons already stated.

[Brickelodeon]

That her intreenet was continuing to be out, and she woulndt be able to read the thread at all.

[Scaevola]

You mean Chester. Respect the Elder.

My apologies Elder. This tense air has put strain on me.

This is what I answered. You are right in that I justified her voting for a random player. I misunderstood what she had said, but I was still wrong to justify it.

I'd assumed you were talking to Mr. Spruce. My mistake. However this isn't an issue so easily retracted. Your previous posts were ardently self-assured. You're trying to effect a miraculous "inspired personal revelation" to save your neck. Any maple can spew this garbage hiding in the guise of honeyed words.

That her intreenet was continuing to be out, and she woulndt be able to read the thread at all.

How then would she have been able to post the comment that drove you to this conclusion in the first place?

[Brickelodeon]

I figured she was at a different intreenet running machine for the time being. I should have read her post more than once, taken the time to understand what I was talking about, and avoided all of this.

[Walter Kovacs]

Voting Update:

Alistair Pear (Brickelodeon) - 9 (Stickfig, Tamamono, Scaevola, Lord Duvors, jamesn, Lego Spy, PirateDave84, Zepher, Calanon)

Bobby Beech (Lord Duvors) - 5 (Penalty, Penalty, Penalty, Penalty, Penalty)

Bruce Spruce (Tamammono) - 2 (Scubacarrot, Fugazi)

Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) - 2 (jluck, Brickelodeon)

Hazel Hazelnut (Goliath) - 2 (badboytje88, adventurer1)

Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) - 2 (Hinckley, Goliath)

Agnes Cyprus (JackJonespaw) - 1 (Dragonfire)

Berty Birch (Dragonfire) - 1 (JackJonespaw)

Adelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs) - 1 (Bob)

There are 23 hours left in Day 1. It takes 13 votes to lynch.

[Hinckley]

This is what I answered. You are right in that I justified her voting for a random player. I misunderstood what she had said, but I was still wrong to justify it.

How did you understand it? What did you think she had said?

That her intreenet was continuing to be out, and she woulndt be able to read the thread at all.

I figured she was at a different intreenet running machine for the time being. I should have read her post more than once, taken the time to understand what I was talking about, and avoided all of this.

What???

You were wrong to justify her vote for a random player because you thought she be at a different intreenet running machine. :wall: Am I even talking to the same person?

I'm not a fan of Alastair's answers, but I hesitate to move my vote over. Is Alastair terrible at communicating and the Scum are taking advantage trying to ensure an Oak lynch? I've seen many situations where some Townie digs themselves a hole on Day One because they absolutely suck at communicating.

The whole Hazel/Alastair/Catrina triangle is odd. There's a lot of bickering going on there. I'm trying to make sense of it.

[TheLazyChicken]

Right now, the current evidence is tipping me toward Alastair, but I get this bad feeling that if I do vote for him I'm going to get reactions somewhere along the lines of "Bandwagonre! Mapl!" pretty much instantaneously.

Much like others have stated, it looks like you are trying to save your self image and not look maple-y I front of others. This is not something an oak would do either. Your suspicion about Bobby also pinged me a bit. It seems like it was just a mistake and you casted a suspicion on him. So my vote for today goes to you;

Vote: Chester Chestnut (Lego Spy)

I'm satisfied with my vote right now and don't plan on changing it. If a vote gets needed for a lynch on Alastair Pear, then I will vote for her since 13 votes are needed to lynch someone and a lynch will give us some more info to go off on for Day 2.

[Hinckley]

Much like others have stated, it looks like you are trying to save your self image and not look maple-y I front of others. This is not something an oak would do either. Your suspicion about Bobby also pinged me a bit. It seems like it was just a mistake and you casted a suspicion on him. So my vote for today goes to you;

Vote: Chester Chestnut (Lego Spy)

I'm satisfied with my vote right now and don't plan on changing it. If a vote gets needed for a lynch on Alastair Pear, then I will vote for her since 13 votes are needed to lynch someone and a lynch will give us some more info to go off on for Day 2.

Interesting. You would switch that vote (for someone nobody else voted for) in order to get a lynch. But, what do you think of Alastair Pear? What's your opinion on his level of suspicion?

[TheLazyChicken]

But I will say the one person who has stood out to me was Larry. Simon pointed out that Larry defended two people, Bobby and Berty, for no reason. With my mindset, I find that rather odd, like Larry might be trying to defend those he may be in cahoots with? I think he's experienced enough to know to not do that but on day one, why? There are quite a few questions to be answered on that but I don't see the point in him defending people, if he's an Oak, that he doesn't know an Oak from a Maple or he is simple a Maple defending his Maple syrup producing buddies.

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken)

Mmmmm, I feel quite satisfied with my vote.

If I was scum why would I try to defend some maple buddies, it doesn't seem reasonable to go down with them. I defended Bobby because editing a post isn't so maple-y. I'm convinced it was probably a mistake since that's what also happened in our last mafia game we played together. As for Berty, I just wanted to see his reasons for his suspicion.

[Hinckley]

If I was scum why would I try to defend some maple buddies, it doesn't seem reasonable to go down with them. I defended Bobby because editing a post isn't so maple-y. I'm convinced it was probably a mistake since that's what also happened in our last mafia game we played together. As for Berty, I just wanted to see his reasons for his suspicion.

I can't speak for Hazel, but I'll repeat my suspicion: it pinged me because it was just a defense. You didn't add your own suspicions, you just defended someone, specifically Berty (more than Bobby, in my opinion.) Again, I find this Scummy because Scum perspective puts you in the state of buddying up to Townies, appearing like you're contributing (by defending) but forgetting the point is to find Maples. It was a ping because it seemed like a subtle Scum slip. "I'm contributing but I'm not accusing anyone but hopefully making some friends." I've seen it happen before and even done it when playing Scum. I'm not suggesting Berty and Bobby are Scum, just you.

[jluck]

Ok, I'm home and have had time to compile my info regarding Catrina. My argument was the she gets ultra defensive when accused and "suspects" everyone that accuses her. Here is the info I've compiled:

It starts with some light accusations early on from Waldorf and Bruce:

I already pointed out I thought Catarina was sucking up to Vicky Hickory. I wood-ent be surprised if she's up to no good.

Check what Catalina said in response to that, though - she kept playing the unnecessary game.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. I don't know.

Catrina is immediately defensive and suggests that accusing her is suspicious:

Well, good morning to all! And what a lovely sunny day it is.

What a way to wake up than to find out that some of the male trees stayed up till all hours of the night (those in different time zones excluded) talking tree trash about the only female tree amongst them. I'm a female tree, in case you hadn't noticed, with all your male banter going on, so of course I'm fluffy. Day one is supposed to be fun and fluffy! And I do sleep, at night time, which I did.

Now I will say that I find Waldorf Walnut and Bruce Spruce suspicious for what seems like trying to get rid of me. As they are the instigators of the tree trash talk about me.

I decide she's worth my vote:

vote: Catarina Dogwood

For excessively useless posts...

...and for accusing people merely because they were suspicious of her first.

(I guess now she'll be suspicious of me too )

...so I must be trying to cover for my scum buddies!

Three posts is hardly excessive....and I didn't accuse anyone, I stated suspicions only once.

All what stuff you said earlier? You didn't say anything other than three post (on day 1) were excessive fluffy, at least I was posting, compared to the others you mentioned that didn't.

So all the other stuff by others wasn't fluff? And who and where did I parrot anyone? The 'leads'? I don't really see anyone leading anyone. And yes the only reasons you stated were my fluff and my supposed accusations. As for pointing out the word 'lying'.. Bobby Beech put it in a sentence that didn't make sense, he never answered if he meant something else.

So you find me more compelling to vote for than Alistair Pear or Hazel Hazelnut? I think you are trying to draw attention away from your buddies and onto me.

Then a new accusation comes in...

That's quite the threat there, Catarina.

I can say that I don't have the most votes against me so there's that, for starters. Let's see, what else... OH, what makes you think that you can decide for everyone else? That's what it looks like to me. But hey, if I do get chopped down over the night, at least you'd be a great suspect then. For now, I will gladly engrave that on my bark. Besides, you've done the very same thing before, for the record.

And for those who are doubting my claim on not having my internet working, you can ask Comcast. They shut it down for a few hours then I had to go out and when I got back, that is when I made my second post. I don't think I need to explain it more.

...so Catarina adds to her list.

My, my but aren't you getting a little too defensive here? I didn't threaten you, I asked for clarification. You were already on my suspected maple list. No where did I indicate I could decide for everyone else. And voting can still change pretty rapidly before the deadline.

I'm prepared to sacrifice myself to save the rest of the oaks in this forest, are you? Oh and you didn't even clarify one thing for me, interesting and noted.

Another vote...

I have given it much thought, and I have decided to vote for Miss Dogwood.

Even after everyone else had ceased (or at least tried to) the puns and fluff, she kept right on going with it. After she got poked, she reacted rather aggressively, and she has been doing a bit if threatening and other such overly defensive scum behavior.

Vote: Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1)

I'm sure that some of you will say "teaming up with Hazel eh?", but let me assure you that Hazel is second on my scum list. She is playing erratically, almost as if she is taking the game as a joke. She seems to be trying too hard to seem town-like, and her nooby way of talking has gotten me in trouble too.

...looks like Catarina caught another Maple

So you are voting for me because I am voting for Hazel? Really? Hazel hasn't clarified anything I asked her to. Hazel is the one getting defensive. And you are watching her back. With all the votes for you, because you supported/defended Hazel on Day 1, and your still doing it? This screams that you are both maples.

Please, show me where I am getting aggressive and overly defensively scum behavior. And I can assure you (from a previous tree life) that Hazel and you are not noobs.

I restate my case...

Why is it everytime you get caused your reaction is "you must be scum for voting for me" & "now I'm suspecting you for suspecting me"? (Im on my mobile, but I'll be happy to go back and provide examples as soon as I'm home) People having suspicions is not only normal, it's necessary. This reactionary behavior stifles positive conversation. In other words, I'm sticking with my vote.

Where do we stand on votes? (Again, mobile or I'd check myself)

...and now Im supporting a "maple".

Anyone can go back and see both you and Alistair have serious flaws in you reasoning against me. And with all the other votes (and reasons) for Alistair and with the maple buddy behavior with Hazel you still choose me? It's your vote, your choice. But it does seem as you are now supporting/defending Alistair? Care to explain?

All bold was added for emphasis.

If she is right with her suspicions then she has found the entire scum team as I think she suspects like half a dozen players!

I'm worries it may be too late to build this case, but I truly do find it compelling. Take a look and see what you think.

[Fugazi]

I've been the strongest Oak here today. If for some reason you choose to view my uprooting the Maples as scummy, that's a choice you're allowed to make.

That's all? I'm disappointed, I expected a longer rebuttal.

It's really hard to hear someone say this. Claiming to be the strongest Oak of the day can be over-confident or Scummy. You've played both ways. You've said to me in private that you think Alastair and Berty are definitely Scum. What about me? Why have you got such a strong Oak read on me? I've gotten zero scrutiny from you. Absolute zero.

The way you handled me/William was town, and you've done nothing to deserve scrutiny at this point. My reads, as always, are subject to change as the Day goes on.

Excuse me, as the *game goes on.

Unless you claim scum today or something.

Considering that you have two votes against you, you're not doing much to gain our trust. You've become very quiet, are you afraid of the limelight?

After reading through the thread, Alistair has also struck me as the best candidate for today

It's day 1. Even if you are oak and we lynch you by accident, it does not mean the game is lost. We are not in a tight spot right now - why are you making threats like this? We can look back at what you said if you turn up oak.

Vote: Alastair Pear (Brickelodeon)

Minimising the importance of a wasted Oak life doesn't sound very Oaky to me. What will you gain from what Alastair said today if he turns to be Oak?

[TheLazyChicken]

Interesting. You would switch that vote (for someone nobody else voted for) in order to get a lynch. But, what do you think of Alastair Pear? What's your opinion on his level of suspicion?

I don't really suspect Alastair, but there was this one post that kinda pinged me;

When I see you in tree heaven, after all of this is over, and all of the Oaks are dead because they let a maple slip under the radar, I will wave my middle branch in your face and say "should have listened, should have listened". It's like you didn't even try to understand what I was saying. And I am not trying to put suspicions on any particular set of trees, I am pointing out that in every past experience I have had, I died because I let people who didn't talk slip under the radar.

He's basically trying to say that because you are quiet, you are scum which isn't really a good skill especially on Day 1. It also looks like he is saying "hahahaha, when I'm dead and the rest of you die because of this, you are all going to be sorry," which isn't so much of a good oaky thing to say either, but it has been this post tht has bothered me.

[Hinckley]

If she is right with her suspicions then she has found the entire scum team as I think she suspects like half a dozen players!

I'm worries it may be too late to build this case, but I truly do find it compelling. Take a look and see what you think.

It's not too late. Her prolonged fluff did ping me as well and you've made really good points about her contributions since. Something is weird in the Catarina/Hazel/Alastair triangle. I guess I'll be added to her Maple list now.

It also looks like he is saying "hahahaha, when I'm dead and the rest of you die because of this, you are all going to be sorry," which isn't so much of a good oaky thing to say either,

He would have to be an Oak to mean that though, right?

[Bob]

Unvote: Adelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs)

I'm very tempted to vote for Alistair Pear simple because I don't understand what the hell he's talking about anymore. I've been attempting to follow along to his disjointed occasionally rambling statements in which he's tried to justify his actions earlier about unvoting Hazel and also for flailing a bit in his attempts to defend himself. I see Bruce Spruce as either being a vanilla townie who's taking charge or a scum trying to assert himself and make himself look town. At the moment I'm going to go with the former explanation. Catarina is also a possibility, but she seems to post a lot of fluff posts in all of her games and perhaps she just didn't know when it was time to stop and get down to business. I'm still suspicious of her because she might be playing her "I'm just a newbie!" card and she's claiming that she's fully open to being sacrificed when it's Day One and she only has two votes on her.

The whole Hazel Hazelnut situation pings me a little bit and if Alistair does turn up as scum tomorrow I think we should look at her more closely. Larry Larch does appear to be defending multiple people quite openly, which is suspicious, but I'm not sure if it's the most suspicious thing I've seen all day. I'm understanding the vote on Agnes is a poke, Berty Birch appears to be poking and flailing, and the vote on Chester appears to be because of his concern about jumping on a bandwagon, which shouldn't really be too much of a concern as long as you provide evidence and reasoning as to why you're voting for that person.

I've looked at each of the votes and I think I'm going to go with Alistair Pear. His statements are disjointed and rambling, he's talking about intreenet machines (the time for puns is over) and he just seems to be flailing at this point now that there's more votes against him. That and his somewhat smug statements about how the town is going to be screwed if we vote him out and how we should watch out for people flying under the radar.

Vote: Alistair Pear / Brickelodeon

It's a Day One lynch, but with all the confusion that he's bringing forward I don't know if I can handle a Day Two with him.

[Lady K]

It's kinda funny Cherry that you say I'm ultra defensive when I'm actually very peaceful right now (I'm a tree, enjoying the sun). I'm sure others will read, and go back to see what I really said and how I really reacted. You don't have a case against me so why would I get 'ultra defensive'?

I brought up points, asked both you and Hazel for clarification and got nothing from either of you. I know I am an oak not a maple. How many maples/pretending to be oaks would say they are prepared to be sacrificed so that other oaks may live?, even though I cherish my life in the sun and this forest with my fellow oaks.

Sue Sumac, I would like to clarify that my 'sacrifice' statement has nothing to do with the two votes on me and everything to do with Hazel's responses to my request for clarification (which she is continually avoiding). I was stating how I feel and challenging her with the same. Any oak would feel that way, but not Hazel. And I'm not a newbie, so why would you think that I would play a 'newbie card'?

[Hinckley]

everything to do with Hazel's responses to my request for clarification (which she is continually avoiding).

Can you please remind everyone what you're waiting for clarification on? Thanks.

[Tamamono]

That's all? I'm disappointed, I expected a longer rebuttal.

Well, let's look at it this way: the majority of your questions boil down to "I think you're scum... what do you think about that?" A short rebuttal was sufficient to give my answer - I think that's fine. You are entitled to your own opinions, even bad ones.

Considering that you have two votes against you, you're not doing much to gain our trust. You've become very quiet, are you afraid of the limelight?

I'm not sure who you mean by "our" - I'm being voted by you and William (who's just salty I called him a dick and was wary of him at Daystart), everyone else seems to trust me just fine. What am I doing to earn your trust, you mean? Nothing. I don't need your trust. I'm funneling my energy into catching scum - Alastair, Berty, and possibly Catarina (although it's looking slightly less likely for her now). You might try it sometime.

And no, I've been in class. In a cage fight between tree situations and conjugating Japanese verbs, the latter will always win. Unfortunately for scum, the limelight is where I thrive, and when I have a free moment, you bet your roots I'll be here rooting them out.

As for Alastair, his behavior is really troubling, yeah. Every word that comes out of his trunk uproots him even farther. However, I'd like to bring attention back to his cosplay phase, he used to dress up like a Ghostbuster or something? I don't know, it was wacky. Either way, his behavior there was very similar to how it is now. I talked to him a bit in private since I was having a few doubts (largely because of some of the people on his wagon), and he asked me to save him in a really desperate, scummy way.

To be honest. I have no clue. I'm probably going to vote for adv1 because she seems to be flailing a lot, and she is playing very aggressively. It means she desperate.

I have I proposition. I will make you a bet that if you and one other person remove their vote from me, the entire bandwagon will fall apart. You seems to have taken Speedy's place at the head of the town, and the rest of the town follow you like sheep. Can you do me a favor and just try it? You can always put your vote back onto me, and I will vouch for you if people ask what's going on.

Will you do it for a fellow townie?

This grouped together with everything we've seen today plus the fact that this is Alastair's scum play makes me say - full steam ahead. Let's get this lynch. If it's wrong, oh well - we get a clue as to what the deal with Hazel and Catarina is as well as good reads from this very split vote tally. This is an optimal first day lynch, in my opinion.

Also, that comment about me being Speedy. I'm a tree, trees aren't speedy!!

[Hinckley]

everyone else seems to trust me just fine.

I'm not sure anyone trusts you. They shouldn't, at this point, anyway. There's no reason for anyone to trust anyone at this point, at least not if you're an Oak. The Maples know who they can trust, of course. But just because only two people are voting for you doesn't mean the rest of us "trust" you. Simmer down, little sapling.

[Scubacarrot]

Spruce is playing what I believe is his scum game. Also he's breaking rule 6.

Alastair is either scum or a bit lost in the woods. I may change my vote to get a lynch going if necessary.