Hinckley Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Spruce is playing what I believe is his scum game. Also he's breaking rule 6. How did he break rule 6? Oh duh. Sorry. Now I see it.
Lego Spy Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Much like others have stated, it looks like you are trying to save your self image and not look maple-y I front of others. This is not something an oak would do either. Your suspicion about Bobby also pinged me a bit. It seems like it was just a mistake and you casted a suspicion on him. So my vote for today goes to you; Vote: Chester Chestnut (Lego Spy) I'm satisfied with my vote right now and don't plan on changing it. If a vote gets needed for a lynch on Alastair Pear, then I will vote for her since 13 votes are needed to lynch someone and a lynch will give us some more info to go off on for Day 2. If I was a Maple, why would I go right out and say that? The main reason I didn't vote at the time was because 2-3 other people had voted for Alastair within an hour of my posting. So you're telling me that wouldn't look like some sort of arranged Maple attack, or that I had been attempting to hide my vote? Also: Bobby, I'm sorry about my mistake and I DO NOT SUSPECT YOU ANY MORE.
Hinckley Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 and he asked me to save him in a really desperate, scummy way. I read too quickly the first time and actually missed this part of your post. This is really Scummy, although you have broken the rules to bring us the information. I like my vote on Larry, but Unvote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) and vote: Alastair Pear (Brickelodeon) Catrina may be super fluffy but she's right about one thing. An oak should be willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. If you're an oak, why do you need to plea to someone in private to save you? A true Oak would be trying to find Maples, not trying to save their own bark.
jluck Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Spruce is playing what I believe is his scum game. Also he's breaking rule 6. (snip) Oh...I didn't see that at first either. We've had a bit of trouble with the rules today!
TheLazyChicken Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 He would have to be an Oak to mean that though, right? From my last game experience, it was used by a scum member.
Scubacarrot Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I'm calling it now. If mr. Alastair Pear turns out scum, can we please not fall for the trap of assuming that means Bruce Spruce is town because he got the PM. It could be one of Bruce's plots to make a scrambled eggs after dropping the eggs or whatever the saying is.
TheLazyChicken Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 If I was a Maple, why would I go right out and say that? The main reason I didn't vote at the time was because 2-3 other people had voted for Alastair within an hour of my posting. So you're telling me that wouldn't look like some sort of arranged Maple attack, or that I had been attempting to hide my vote? Also: Bobby, I'm sorry about my mistake and I DO NOT SUSPECT YOU ANY MORE. To be honest, you could still be a maple trying to save his own bark... ...and that last sentence doesn't convince me.
Lady K Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Can you please remind everyone what you're waiting for clarification on? Thanks. Ok, here it is. Do you really need further explanation? Random voting is not ok! Oaks would not do that to each other. And your second sentence makes no sense what so ever. How could I be a good lynch for day 1 for simply saying that your random voting is maple tree behavior 'when no progress has been made' ? What progress would need to be made for it be ok for me to say that? It's hard to determine a good candidate when everyone is posting nonsense..., but one person has stood out to you..., and then you use someone else's reasons to justify a vote you feel quite satisfied with? Would you care to clarify before I decide that you are actually the best tree sacrifice for the day? I asked for clarification on the reasons to feel satisfied with a vote (after being called out for the random vote statement) after voting based on reasons given by others and not her. And here is the response I got. That's quite the threat there, Catarina. I can say that I don't have the most votes against me so there's that, for starters. Let's see, what else... OH, what makes you think that you can decide for everyone else? That's what it looks like to me. But hey, if I do get chopped down over the night, at least you'd be a great suspect then. For now, I will gladly engrave that on my bark. Besides, you've done the very same thing before, for the record. And for those who are doubting my claim on not having my internet working, you can ask Comcast. They shut it down for a few hours then I had to go out and when I got back, that is when I made my second post. I don't think I need to explain it more. My response. My, my but aren't you getting a little too defensive here? I didn't threaten you, I asked for clarification. You were already on my suspected maple list. No where did I indicate I could decide for everyone else. And voting can still change pretty rapidly before the deadline. I'm prepared to sacrifice myself to save the rest of the oaks in this forest, are you? Oh and you didn't even clarify one thing for me, interesting and noted. I made the sacrifice comment and asked if she was prepared to do the same. And I mentioned none of the above clarified my request. Her response. You basically did though... So when you say that you'd "sacrifice" yourself, why is that? You don't think we should all vote for the person who appears the most scummy, to us all? Or what you are really trying to get at is you want us to vote for you? I'm getting a feeling that there could be a Jester, and if there is, that may be you... My response. And my vote. You really want me to vote for you, don't you. And you still refuse to clarify what I asked you to. Vote: Hazel Hazelnut (Goliath) I will stick with my vote based on Hazel's defensive nature to my responses, trying to change the subject every time, and being very unhelpful in general. Can anyone find anything useful or helpful she has said?
mostlytechnic Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Either way, his behavior there was very similar to how it is now. I talked to him a bit in private since I was having a few doubts (largely because of some of the people on his wagon), and he asked me to save him in a really desperate, scummy way.This grouped together with everything we've seen today plus the fact that this is Alastair's scum play makes me say - full steam ahead. Let's get this lynch. If it's wrong, oh well - we get a clue as to what the deal with Hazel and Catarina is as well as good reads from this very split vote tally. This is an optimal first day lynch, in my opinion. Hm. I see what you and Simon are saying about it being scummy to ask for help, but at the risk of wifom-ing, I think it sounds legit. Yeah, an oak should be fighting hard to save themselves right now. We have no ACTUAL information to help find the maples, so the next best thing is save oak lives and since the only person any of us knows about for sure is ourselves (maples obviously excluded), to any oak the worst possible lynch is themselves. And yeah, any trees that have been around a while have seen that there's usually a tree that starts to lead the forest. Whether that's you, time will tell. But why WOULDN'T an oak come asking for help? He's right - day 1 lynches are like a car wreck on ice - just keeps piling on. But if you can move a car out of the way, maybe the pileup can be avoided. The flaw in his logic is that why on earth would you (or anyone else he might ask for help) trust him? Sure, you unvoting might well save him, but you have no way to know that he's oak and not a maple. Conclusion - I don't think asking is a scummy thing, but I also don't see a reason for you to help him out.
Hinckley Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I'm calling it now. If mr. Alastair Pear turns out scum, can we please not fall for the trap of assuming that means Bruce Spruce is town because he got the PM. It could be one of Bruce's plots to make a scrambled eggs after dropping the eggs or whatever the saying is. Lemonade out of lemons. I'll agree but we also shouldn't discard the possibility. This is all an "if" anyway... It seems Scummy to me because nobody is even lynched at this point and momentum still could've gone anywhere. Everything is magnified in Scum perspective. Granted, I think Alastair has different cognitive processes than I do but I would've started with "I'm an Oak" not "I'll make you a bet". That just sounds manipulative. Conclusion - I don't think asking is a scummy thing, but I also don't see a reason for you to help him out. Asking might not be Scummy, but suggesting for the sake of gambling is, in my opinion. I will stick with my vote based on Hazel's defensive nature to my responses, trying to change the subject every time, and being very unhelpful in general. Can anyone find anything useful or helpful she has said? I agree that you're making a good point. No clarification has been made about the random vote idea...which is just a terrible (perhaps Scummy) idea...
Yzalirk Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 If I was scum why would I try to defend some maple buddies, it doesn't seem reasonable to go down with them. I defended Bobby because editing a post isn't so maple-y. I'm convinced it was probably a mistake since that's what also happened in our last mafia game we played together. As for Berty, I just wanted to see his reasons for his suspicion. I suppose your right. Now that I think about it, it makes no sense that a Maple would defend another Maple for editing his post since that isn't very scummy but could have simply been a mistake. Unvote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) Vote: Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) I think it's self explanatory considering what I have said but I'll essentially repeat myself. I find her to very annoying and she gets very defensive when a few people vote for her which is just unnecessary. She is also very hypocritical when it comes down that if you accuse her for being a Maple, it's not fine but when she does it, it's perfectly normal. If she wants to be sacrificed as a martyr, so be it, you can have my vote. Besides, most of her posts have been fluff. Also, I really don't believe Alastair is a Maple but if he does turn up to be one tomorrow, I would be amazed. I should also mention that Catarina is pretty good at The Flail despite the fact she can hardly move, only her branches.
Lego Spy Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 To be honest, you could still be a maple trying to save his own bark... ...and that last sentence doesn't convince me. Fine. You're entitled to your own opinion.
Hinckley Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I suppose your right. Now that I think about it, it makes no sense that a Maple would defend another Maple for editing his post since that isn't very scummy but could have simply been a mistake. "Your" is a possessive. "You're" is the conjunction of "you" and "are". And you're not right. A Maple might defend a Maple for such a thing and I stated it's possible (and that's my original feeling) that a Maple would defend an Oak to appear helpful! Don't unvote for the wrong reasons. Larry is still Scummy!
Yzalirk Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 "Your" is a possessive. "You're" is the conjunction of "you" and "are". And you're not right. A Maple might defend a Maple for such a thing and I stated it's possible (and that's my original feeling) that a Maple would defend an Oak to appear helpful! Don't unvote for the wrong reasons. Larry is still Scummy! That is also true, both what you said and the grammar lesson. I already knew that but I am too lazy to reread sometimes. I still suspect Larry but I suspect Catarina more. Don't let her fool you, she fooled people last game but not me and when she turned out to be scum, I wanted to say "I told 'ya so!" but I didn't want to be a dick about it so I said nothing. If I were up to be voted as the lynch for the day, I'm perfectly fine with that as long as there is good factual evidence that would suggest me to be a Maple and not just a hunch or suspicion with no reason. I've seen how Alastair has played before and it's very close to his behavior now which doesn't convince me of him being a Maple. I just sure hope I'm right about Alastair. And can you guys not refer to me as a "she" tree, I'm a manly tree with a not-so manly name apparently!
Hinckley Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I wanted to say "I told 'ya so!" but I didn't want to be a dick about it so I said nothing. At least you said nothing. So Larry's not exonerated? It sounded like you cleared him. Way to metagame, by the way. Perhaps we can judge everybody by their previous behavior. Then we'll win, right?
mostlytechnic Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I already knew that but I am too lazy to reread sometimes. Ok, I'm going to Vote: Hazel Hazelnut (goliath) Why? Lazy. Wanted to random vote, says here too lazy to reread before posting (sometimes that leads to simple typos, sometimes to bigger errors). And seems like most of Hazel's suspicions are based on previous adventures instead of paying attention here.
Zepher Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Perhaps we can judge everybody by their previous behavior. Then we'll win, right? Oh Simon, you're such a lamb. Or that me? Sure is a sunny day! Hazel strikes me as a very confused tree, but sadly in a way that she could still either be a confused maple or confused oak. I always find it very hard to judge confused trees, because they flail regardless of what side they're on. That being said, Maples all have their roots tied together and can usually stop each other from flailing or being confused too much... but sometimes some trees are just too flustered to control at all! I dunno! Just my thoughts. Very weird ideas, but not particularly maple-y in my opinion. Caterina pushing for a Hazel lynch seems sort of maple-y to me, personally - it is a good low risk vote! Won't be involved with the "bandwagon" which is good with this number of votes (should they turn up oaky, she will not have been involved, and at this point there's still a chance to turn it around since it's not a sure thing, which would of course be good for the maples). Hazel is sure doing a lot of silly things that would be easy to push against, too, which is what it appears Caterina is doing! What a silly tree! Chester's abandonment of his lynch is indeed a strange turn as well, and I think it's worth paying attention too! But, if I'm being an honest oaky tree (and I always am!) I feel Larry Larch's push for a lynch on that front is more maple-y for many of the same reasons I find Caterina odd.
Yzalirk Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 At least you said nothing. So Larry's not exonerated? It sounded like you cleared him. Way to metagame, by the way. Perhaps we can judge everybody by their previous behavior. Then we'll win, right? Thanks, I don't try to do it often. In all seriousness though, I don't believe Alastair is a Maple so that's why I'm not voting for him. I'm not trying to defend him but simply voice my opinion. If he does turn out to be a Maple, then there you go, good job. But if he turns out to be an Oak, then lets just so I'm not going to be a dick. I believe that Alastair is a bit "inexperienced" compared to most people here, like myself, so that's why he's flailing. I know how it feels to be in that situation and it doesn't feel good, hence the fact I didn't vote against him. However, that's just me and like I said earlier, I get the boot no matter who I vote for. It's who you think is the best vote that matters so if you guys think he's the best for the day, then there you go. Ok, I'm going to Vote: Hazel Hazelnut (goliath) Why? Lazy. Wanted to random vote, says here too lazy to reread before posting (sometimes that leads to simple typos, sometimes to bigger errors). And seems like most of Hazel's suspicions are based on previous adventures instead of paying attention here. Sorry, I'm not familiar with your style on English. Weren't you taught to include a noun in a sentence when you are trying to direct it towards someone? If you're going to try and base a vote against me for a few typos, at least use correct grammar yourself.
mostlytechnic Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Sorry, I'm not familiar with your style on English. Weren't you taught to include a noun in a sentence when you are trying to direct it towards someone? If you're going to try and base a vote against me for a few typos, at least use correct grammar yourself. You said it right, it's style. Conversational English, where you write similar to how you'd talk in person. People leave out nouns all the time when it's freakin' obvious what is meant. In this case, since I quoted you, I thought it was clear who I was directing it to. And as for typos, I believe you mean "style OF English" there, not ON English. So.... (and to be ENTIRELY clear, I'm not at all upset or mad or whatever at you Hazel... Just playing the game.) (but to be clear again, I didn't vote for Hazel due to typos. I voted Hazel due to being too lazy to care about typos. Or who to vote for. Or much else)
Yzalirk Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 You said it right, it's style. Conversational English, where you write similar to how you'd talk in person. People leave out nouns all the time when it's freakin' obvious what is meant. In this case, since I quoted you, I thought it was clear who I was directing it to. And as for typos, I believe you mean "style OF English" there, not ON English. So.... Touche, you got me there, I'll give you that. Yeah, people occasionally do that, yes, but I could be a smart-megablocks and say that we're trees! I'll have you know I'm a person and I tend to not leave out nouns when talking to someone because I find it rather odd. Don't ask why, it's just a preference. I didn't realize what I had originally put would be replaced by "megablocks" so hopefully you know what I put.
jimmynick Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Can you please remind everyone what you're waiting for clarification on? Thanks. From my last game experience, it was used by a scum member. The "you will all be sorry when I'm gone" can be used by a townie. I recall quite well the time I did it when I went to a Cosplay Party. I suppose your right. Now that I think about it, it makes no sense that a Maple would defend another Maple for editing his post since that isn't very scummy but could have simply been a mistake. Unvote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) Vote: Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) I think it's self explanatory considering what I have said but I'll essentially repeat myself. I find her to very annoying and she gets very defensive when a few people vote for her which is just unnecessary. She is also very hypocritical when it comes down that if you accuse her for being a Maple, it's not fine but when she does it, it's perfectly normal. If she wants to be sacrificed as a martyr, so be it, you can have my vote. Besides, most of her posts have been fluff. Also, I really don't believe Alastair is a Maple but if he does turn up to be one tomorrow, I would be amazed. I should also mention that Catarina is pretty good at The Flail despite the fact she can hardly move, only her branches. It's very nice for you to have an opinion about Catarina - in fact, the same opinion that others (including Barry Cherry and I) have about her. Would you care to share why you don't think Alastair is a maple? That's just a thought you threw in without any explanation.
Hinckley Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Well, he did say this : Thanks, I don't try to do it often. In all seriousness though, I don't believe Alastair is a Maple so that's why I'm not voting for him. I'm not trying to defend him but simply voice my opinion. If he does turn out to be a Maple, then there you go, good job. But if he turns out to be an Oak, then lets just so I'm not going to be a dick. I believe that Alastair is a bit "inexperienced" compared to most people here, like myself, so that's why he's flailing. I know how it feels to be in that situation and it doesn't feel good, hence the fact I didn't vote against him. However, that's just me and like I said earlier, I get the boot no matter who I vote for. It's who you think is the best vote that matters so if you guys think he's the best for the day, then there you go. Sorry, I'm not familiar with your style on English. Weren't you taught to include a noun in a sentence when you are trying to direct it towards someone? If you're going to try and base a vote against me for a few typos, at least use correct grammar yourself. I don't like the definitive "that's why he's flailing". We can't know it's why (unless you're a Maple), we can only opine. I've just thought of something potentially disturbing: If Alastair is Scum, and I'm saying if then his request for Bruce to help disband the bandwagon could be really telling. The entire assumption behind asking Bruce is that he's the Speedy Oakiest of Oaks. That would mean if Alastair is Scum, he's asking who he sees as the Town leader to disband the Town bandwagon. The request assumes that all the voters are Townie. How else would the entire bandwagon fall apart? Maybe Maples would lose confidence in it too... Maybe my thought isn't fully thought out. But I thought it was worth discussion.
jluck Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Well, he did say this : I don't like the definitive "that's why he's flailing". We can't know it's why (unless you're a Maple), we can only opine. I've just thought of something potentially disturbing: If Alastair is Scum, and I'm saying if then his request for Bruce to help disband the bandwagon could be really telling. The entire assumption behind asking Bruce is that he's the Speedy Oakiest of Oaks. That would mean if Alastair is Scum, he's asking who he sees as the Town leader to disband the Town bandwagon. The request assumes that all the voters are Townie. How else would the entire bandwagon fall apart? Maybe Maples would lose confidence in it too... Maybe my thought isn't fully thought out. But I thought it was worth discussion. Not necessarily. If your hypothetical turns out to be true, I would assume at least one or two maples are in the wagon, just in case it holds. In fact, I once was on the other side and I always made sure I was one of the first to vote for my teammates, to cover my tail. still, I do think your right in saying that, if Alastair is scum, he needs the town to destroy the bandwagon. Any other move would just be too risky for his team as it would draw suspicion on all those that left the wagon if he later came up maple.
Hinckley Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Not necessarily. If your hypothetical turns out to be true, I would assume at least one or two maples are in the wagon, just in case it holds. In fact, I once was on the other side and I always made sure I was one of the first to vote for my teammates, to cover my tail. still, I do think your right in saying that, if Alastair is scum, he needs the town to destroy the bandwagon. Any other move would just be too risky for his team as it would draw suspicion on all those that left the wagon if he later came up maple. I'm more than aware. But sometimes, Scum teams try to avoid voting their own members especially early in the game. It's not a great move, but it's possible. The momentum on Alastair was slow. It might've built slowly and got out of their control before they could join. And joining late or hammering him might seem like a bad idea to them. Especially since momentum has halted, they're very unlikely to join it now, again if Alastair is even Scum. But, if he is Scum and he had to appeal to the Town to stop the "bandwagon" it may tell us a lot about who voted. I've played a couple of games on both sides of the aisle... Scum might jump on the bandwagon for one of their own if the lynch is inevitable, if there's a night action result that catches them or an investigation or they're caught in a lie. If he's Scum, they might not have had a chance to plan. Or they can't unvote until Townies do. The whole request from Alastair to Bruce is bugging the shit out of me. And he's disappeared since then. Maybe that's a time zone thing.
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