Emmi Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 The Unimog suspension is awesome but the Arocs suspension will just be as awesome, no doubts. Can't wait! Quote
sama Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Well, I am just gonna post some higher res pics of the videos we already watched. I can't really deduce anything from them, maybe you can. I think this is how the inline 6 cylinder engine is setup, but I may have drawn it a single cylinder too forward. All I know, there are 6 cylinders. You can see other high res-ish pics here if you can find anything new in them. Quote
Emmi Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) The truck is looking so awesome. Can't get enough of this masterpiece. Building this will be one good time :) We still don't know for sure whether the doors open or not. Also is that a sticker with glocier effect on top of the cabin? Edited February 10, 2015 by Emmi Quote
jantjeuh Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Pretty sure the doors will open, just look at the sharp division formed by the beams. Quote
Epic Technic Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 There are 6 cylinders, just look at the crankshaft on the second pic. Why are there 4 valves but only 3 cylinders? Quote
aol000xw Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) There are 4 pneumatic cylinders Edited February 10, 2015 by aol000xw Quote
Epic Technic Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 There are 4 pneumatic cylinders Wups your right, I forgot that there are 2x 2/11 cylinders Quote
Siegfried Meyer Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Do you guys think that they made new hub's for the front axle's. I just can't make out what they have done on the front axle, think it's mounted with 3x new suspension arms Quote
H3NRIK Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 So now, that we've established an inline6 engine, will it also feature 8x8 drive for all you purists ? Quote
DrJB Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Has anyone noticed the front suspension? It looks like a solid axle (not independent) and the upper/lower 'control arms' are mounted in a very different/novel way (consistent with solid axles). In fact, a bit similar to the one below (minus the shock absorbers and anti-roll bar). One below is from Maybach. Edited February 10, 2015 by DrJB Quote
SNIPE Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Loving the underside of the tippping bed how its curved, never been done before. Also like the suspention, another first for lego. Edited February 10, 2015 by SNIPE Quote
TheItalianBrick Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Has anyone noticed the front suspension? It looks like a solid axle (not independent) and the upper/lower 'control arms' (though in this case they have a different name) are mounted in a very different/novel way (consistent with solid axles). In fact, a bit similar to the one below (minus the shock absorbers and anti-roll bar). One below is from Maybach. Normally from 7.5 TONS of weight on they have to have solid axle....so no doubt about it. Quote
DrJB Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Normally from 7.5 TONS of weight on they have to have solid axle....so no doubt about it. Trivia: A similar suspension was used on the Jeep Grand Cherokee (Code Name Jeep WJ), a midsize SUV (way below 7.5 tons). This was BEFORE Chrysler was acquired by MB. The vehicle had 'respectable' off-road capability. When MB took over (and with Dr Z), they fitted the Grand Cherokee with independent McPherson suspension. One wonders what Fiat will do. Edited February 10, 2015 by DrJB Quote
andythenorth Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Front suspension looks similar in principle (not exact copy) of Hendrickson vocational twin-steer design: trailing arms, parallel movement. http://www.hendrickson-intl.com/Truck/Vocational/PARASTEERHD "Other suspensions are available" etc. Commercial (freight) trucks almost universally have solid axles. Independent suspension is rare, except for specialised applications. Edited February 10, 2015 by andythenorth Quote
NXT45 Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Well, I am just gonna post some higher res pics of the videos we already watched. I can't really deduce anything from them, maybe you can. You can see other high res-ish pics here if you can find anything new in them. Is that a new pump? Also are the buckets new? Edited February 10, 2015 by NXT45 Quote
sama Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Is that a new pump? Also are the buckets new? Yup, the buckets are new. However, we still have the same pump, 6L in length. I think they just changed the color from LGB to blue. Also, some other pics I screenshotted...here you can maybe see more of the front set of the wheels. Quote
Rishab N Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Not sure if we established this already but dual wheels in the rear If we have discussed this then sorry Quote
Saberwing40k Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 If you look closely at the outrigger, it can be seen that we get more of the new telescopic extension piece. Not only do we get 3 of the new long DBG racks, we get three of the holder pieces that go with them. Unfortunately, all of the holder pieces are red. Oh well, I guess that means we'll be seeing a lot of red Palfinger type cranes after this comes out. Quote
DrJB Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 ... Not only do we get 3 of the new long DBG racks, we get three of the holder pieces that go with them ... It is a pleasant surprise to get LARGE new parts. This seems to happen only in Technic. In other themes, and over the past several years, there is an abundance of tiny new parts. Quote
Rishab N Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 It is a pleasant surprise to get LARGE new parts. This seems to happen only in Technic. In other themes, and over the past several years, there is an abundance of tiny new parts. The problem with larger parts is that they have a much more limited use compared to smaller parts Quote
Saberwing40k Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 The problem with larger parts is that they have a much more limited use compared to smaller parts Possibly true, but I hope with these parts , the holder piece gets made in other colors, like DBG or black, so it can be used in like a large linear actuator. Also, why is the pump blue? It was already a different color from the small pneumatic cylinder, so why change it again? Also, somebody commented as to whether or not it would be 8x8 to satisfy the purists, and the answer is no. Also, it does not need to be 8x8, because of the fact that the particular type of Arocs modeled, the 3245 variety, is only 8x4. Quote
D3K Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 The problem with larger parts is that they have a much more limited use compared to smaller parts Seconded.. the new red "gear rack holder" piece seems like it is not usable for much else.. Still, I welcome it! Quote
Tamas Juhasz Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) To make clear the truck suspension theme, there are some independent type suspension also in trucks, for example: http://www.volvotruc...suspension.aspx But as mentioned before, they are rare, and they start to appear only nowadays. Beside Tatras solution, old russian military trucks often had double A arm independent suspensions: http://data3.primepo..._103_of_126.jpg http://upload.wikime...sloe)_pic13.JPG (independent only in front) http://i2.ce.cn/cv/p...29250998472.jpg (full independent) We can say, in general, except few rare exceptions, (medium and heavy) trucks have rigid axles, and non independent suspensions. This 42043 set also has full rigid axles with pretty proper and realistic linkages. Edited February 11, 2015 by Mbmc Quote
sama Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 ^ I am still glad they added suspension in a 8258 scaled model. I have noticed complex suspension systems appeared only recently (since the Unimog). Happy to see it is also present in this compact model. But about the functions, I think the outriggers deploy a bit to fast, and same with the turntable (superstructure rotation). I know some people favor the fast speed, but I like the slow-yet-powerful approach. Looking at various vids and pics, I still cannot see well into the gearbox, this model is packed way too tightly. Quote
MrPaulo23 Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 The Unimog's unique suspension system which MB has pioneered over the years of its existence is a must when Lego decided they will present the 'Mog it's 60th birthday gift hence the 8110, in many ways this has if I may attracted collectors for it's system, having said that a set scaled within the 8258 shadows and carries the brand MB seems logical to follow the footsteps 8110 left behindas far as details is concerned minus the portal axles whisch obviously the real Arocs doesn't pack, I'll probably go by the details as soon as I get mine bought and built. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/vehicles/trucks/the-new-arocs/ Funny that the name Arocs always reminds me of Auroch, an extinct relative of modern cattles. The wheels just looks awkward for me still, I mean the model looks fine but the size just seems a little small, some a tad bigger would have done the deal right and could simply spawn new sets that's a bit bigger but not very big, The real thing also packs a legitimate 10-wheeled dumper model but I guess trucks there in Europe are more common to pack 2 pairs of front steered wheels and 8 dually type wheels at the back. Quote
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