jluck Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Okay… I have a lot of reading to do! And I am afraid I might not be able to catch this up before the end of the day. All I know is that I am more than willing to hop on the Catarina bandwagon. As Sue Sumac explained so well Caterina is talking fluf, rehashing what others said and is playing the noobish victim. So I will Vote: Caterina Dogwood (adventurer1) By doing this I acknowledge that I am a bandwagon hopper and I know I haven’t been contributing as much as I could but it is hard for me to catch up with the amount of posts that have been emitted in this game. When you feel like a newcomer best thing to do is keep mafiascum.net close by so you can look everything you haven’t heard of before up. According to rule 8b If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players (living or dead). Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. This would mean that if a stump get removed that he is officially dead and won't be allowed to communicate about the game with players still in the game. When I sent the codes out, I figured 8b would come into play soon. I was assuming stumps would be gone the next day and therefore the newly cut down stumps will only have limited info to share, mainly there own roles and the roles of those who claimed to them.
Bob Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Oh boy, here it is. Bobby Beech (Lord Duvors), is the Bobby I was referring to. But you knew that, didn't you? So you find some post to support your reasons to vote for me, good for you. But you miss the reference I made to you? Bad on you. This is about the only useful thing you have contributed the whole game! No, actually, that wasn't the Bobby you were referring to. If you look back at your post, you quote me, then call me Bobby. Here's another attempt at confusion by you, you're not really helping. And also, what do you mean I miss the reference you made to me? What are you talking about? Besides, what useful things have you contributed to this game besides fluff and defensive posts? You miss represented me in several places, but that is normal coming from you. I never meant to bold what I was saying, just highlight it my way, which in the end was to use asterisk. Putting something in bold is a very common way to highlight things. I use low light, I chose the asterisk because it looked good to me, because it was my post! Deal with it. I am innocent, but if your going to lynch me than find a real reason. I have contributed a lot more than others here have. I made good and bad posts, just like everyone else here. Did I not just display my reasoning? You haven't contributed anything at all. Sure, you've made a lot of posts, but they've been either defensive or they've just been rehashing what other people have said before you. That's not helpful at all. In fact, the only time someone approached you to be helpful, you ran off and didn't return, and when you did finally try to be helpful with the analysis on Alistair, it was sort of half-assed. I never played the newbie card, or the woe is me either! And if I seem defensive, well , I really an now so that should give you some thought as to the made up 'oh she is so defensive' claim from others. Uh, you kind of did. I even pointed out where you did. But they might also be Scum flying under the radar. It just seemed like a bunch of filler to defend all noobs and then remind us that they might also be Scum flying under the radar. That is what we're trying to discern by poking them... I'm not saying don't poke them, I'm just saying maybe we should go too hard on them when they say that they're having trouble keeping up. Okay… I have a lot of reading to do! And I am afraid I might not be able to catch this up before the end of the day. All I know is that I am more than willing to hop on the Catarina bandwagon. As Sue Sumac explained so well Caterina is talking fluf, rehashing what others said and is playing the noobish victim. So I will Vote: Caterina Dogwood (adventurer1) You on the other hand should have no trouble reading and keeping current with the thread. Don't just piggyback on my reasoning. Maybe come up with your own in addition to mine? By doing this I acknowledge that I am a bandwagon hopper and I know I haven’t been contributing as much as I could but it is hard for me to catch up with the amount of posts that have been emitted in this game. Good to know.
TheLazyChicken Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 Nope, Nope, and then yes. Sammy understood. Each person sends a unique code to each other person. Yes, that's a ton of codes. Each of us would be generating 20+ lists and receiving 20+ lists. That's what excel (or google sheets, or whatever you appletree people use) is for. If I only sent a list to 1 person, then it's of zero use until that person is a stump. And if I sent the same list to everyone, then it's useless at keeping secrets. But with so many unique codesets, as soon as we have an oak stump, everyone can publicly say what they are using their unique code. That poor stump then has to compile it all, but it's there. And then each day, it could be repeated if needed (ie if the stumps only last 1 day) to keep the new group of stumps in the know. And a stump could even coordinate night actions by saying "hey joe, you should visit sally, and rick should visit jane" and so forth, "assigning" a visit to everyone, so no one can tell who actually has abilities. Well, scratch that, it'd ID the vig pretty quick :) I'm still a bit confused, so we send a different list to everyone in the game right?
Tamamono Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I don't think this code thing is going to work.
jluck Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I'm still a bit confused, so we send a different list to everyone in the game right? Or at least a different list to the players you think you may trust...you don't need to send a list to everyone unless you want to, but at least send codes to a handful of people that could help out once you die.
Lady K Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I don't think this code thing is going to work. I agree. I still have a bad feeling about this idea getting into the maples hands to help them instead. I was very defensive earlier, sorry for my outburst. What I stated at the end was true. If the lynch goes through, and my stump remains for analysis, when I turn up Oak what other leads will the oaks have since so much time was spent on me and the codes? I apologize in advance for getting into too many arguments with those I believe to be maples. It has caused a large distraction on Day 2.
Yzalirk Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I don't think this code thing is going to work. Yeah, I don't really understand how exactly it'll work.
TheLazyChicken Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I never played the newbie card, or the woe is me either! And if I seem defensive, well , I really an now so that should give you some thought as to the made up 'oh she is so defensive' claim from others. Actually, you aren't that much of a newbie, you have played 6 games, and that's coming from the sign-up thread, so no, you are not a n00b. I see a lot of effort to lynch me, and to devise some code to talk to the stumps for info, and not a lot of maple finding going on here. Too much time has been wasted in this Day and the only lynch target is me? Doesn't any one else find this odd? What will you talk about on Day 3? You just got caught in a lie. You haven't been the only person who has been targeted. Chester has also been targeted, not only you. This lack of a defense on this makes you look maple-y. Vote: Catarina Dogwood (Adventurer1) One vote is needed for you to get lynched so therefore my vote goes to you, we need a lynch for today so we can gather more information for tomorrow. Bobby, are you ever going to share your suspicions? I'm still waiting you know...
Hinckley Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I'm not saying don't poke them, I'm just saying maybe we should go too hard on them when they say that they're having trouble keeping up. You on the other hand should have no trouble reading and keeping current with the thread. I'm sorry. I can't associate being a noob with being unable to read and keep up.
Piratedave84 Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 This code thing is bound to fail in an epic way! :popcorn:
Hinckley Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 This code thing is bound to fail in an epic way! :popcorn: I think some people are just misunderstanding the benefit. I think it actually may be overkill that we'll appreciate if it comes in handy. At worst, it's a waste of time, at best, it will catch us a Scum but I can't imagine it killing the Town the way some of you seem to be insinuating it could. Let's say, for example, I die and I was the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks and I tell the Larry our code word for the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks. Then it turns out that Larry is Scum. ... Whoa!!!...Epic fail!!!! But, if the stumps all coordinate and they had a handful of roles and they tell the wrong person, maybe.... But I would hope that if the Stumps are able to figure out that they had a bunch of PRs, they'll be smart about who they tell it to. For example, if I die tonight and Larry is still alive tomorrow, I wouldn't give him the code to my Hippo, because he's, at best, a bit Scummy. But that's assuming the stumps will live for more than a day and be able to pool such resources. Ugh, stumps are complicated. At least they're not virgins!
Piratedave84 Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I think some people are just misunderstanding the benefit. I think it actually may be overkill that we'll appreciate if it comes in handy. At worst, it's a waste of time, at best, it will catch us a Scum but I can't imagine it killing the Town the way some of you seem to be insinuating it could. Let's say, for example, I die and I was the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks and I tell the Larry our code word for the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks. Then it turns out that Larry is Scum. ... Whoa!!!...Epic fail!!!! But, if the stumps all coordinate and they had a handful of roles and they tell the wrong person, maybe.... But I would hope that if the Stumps are able to figure out that they had a bunch of PRs, they'll be smart about who they tell it to. For example, if I die tonight and Larry is still alive tomorrow, I wouldn't give him the code to my Hippo, because he's, at best, a bit Scummy. But that's assuming the stumps will live for more than a day and be able to pool such resources. Ugh, stumps are complicated. At least they're not virgins! The whole thing is contingent to us staying alive as stumps for more than a day. Even then, if someone dies, we can talk amongst ourselves (stumps) and it makes the code thing irrelevant seeing that we an still counter a claim ... No? Frankly I have not followed the whole code thing as closely as I could have and that's probably why I don't really understand/want to understand it. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead tomorrow and replaced by another stump. What I'm REALLY curious to see is what's going to happen to Alistair and today's lynch. My theory is that the lynched person does not return as a stump regardless of affiliation and that night kills return as stumps again regardless of affiliation. I could however be wrong and my second theory is that town returns as stumps whereas scum does not.
MagPiesRUs Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I like Jack Pine's idea that the living all use their codes to communicate with the stumps. That way, the stumps will know everyone's role and be able to sort any conflicting claims. They can share this info with a trusted source if anything comes up. If Catarina is oak, she should definitely post codes to everyone before the day ends. I notice that those who have sent codes out have only included one number for vanilla. This will make things more complicated, but there should probably be about 10 different numbers for vanilla. This is all a logistical nightmare, but if things go right it could pay off big time.
jluck Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I like Jack Pine's idea that the living all use their codes to communicate with the stumps. That way, the stumps will know everyone's role and be able to sort any conflicting claims. They can share this info with a trusted source if anything comes up. If Catarina is oak, she should definitely post codes to everyone before the day ends. I notice that those who have sent codes out have only included one number for vanilla. This will make things more complicated, but there should probably be about 10 different numbers for vanilla. This is all a logistical nightmare, but if things go right it could pay off big time. I only included one code for vanilla because I can't really speculate on anyone's role other than my own, vanilla or not. So until I know more about others, the only relevant info I can share to stumps is my part in the game.
Duvors Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Bobby, are you ever going to share your suspicions? I'm still waiting you know... Well, Catarina is useless so I am voting for her. Aside from that I'm wary about Simon due to his accusatory nature. These are statements I have hashed and rehashed over and over again today. Aside from that I have no concrete suspicions, and even what I have isn't very solid I'll admit.
Fugazi Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I only included one code for vanilla because I can't really speculate on anyone's role other than my own, vanilla or not. So until I know more about others, the only relevant info I can share to stumps is my part in the game. True, but perhaps the stump may need to share with you that such and such trees are all vanilla. Giving a set of secret numbers will prevent scum from associating one code with "vanilla".
jluck Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 True, but perhaps the stump may need to share with you that such and such trees are all vanilla. Giving a set of secret numbers will prevent scum from associating one code with "vanilla". Fair, though I'm not inclined to regenerate a bunch of additional codes right now. I may share some extra vanilla codes with a select few PM folks, just in case.
Mencot Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 According to rule 8b If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players (living or dead). Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. This would mean that if a stump get removed that he is officially dead and won't be allowed to communicate about the game with players still in the game. Yes isn´t it sad, we are soon dead stumps (probably) digged up and burned But now I am a Stump, I am a stump, I am a Stump This code thing is bound to fail in an epic way! :popcorn: Tell me about it, were are the beers It was sad that I was killed night one, would had been fun to continue to play but this has been a really funny game I think some people are just misunderstanding the benefit. I think it actually may be overkill that we'll appreciate if it comes in handy. At worst, it's a waste of time, at best, it will catch us a Scum but I can't imagine it killing the Town the way some of you seem to be insinuating it could. Let's say, for example, I die and I was the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks and I tell the Larry our code word for the Flying Hippo with Laser Beams that come out of its megablocks. Then it turns out that Larry is Scum. ... Whoa!!!...Epic fail!!!! But, if the stumps all coordinate and they had a handful of roles and they tell the wrong person, maybe.... But I would hope that if the Stumps are able to figure out that they had a bunch of PRs, they'll be smart about who they tell it to. For example, if I die tonight and Larry is still alive tomorrow, I wouldn't give him the code to my Hippo, because he's, at best, a bit Scummy. But that's assuming the stumps will live for more than a day and be able to pool such resources. Ugh, stumps are complicated. At least they're not virgins! Especially this hippo don´t really know if he is town or scum but fun, he is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Py-kRZLs4
Hinckley Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Well, Catarina is useless so I am voting for her. Because she's "useless" not because you think she's Scummy. That's very interesting. Aside from that I'm wary about Simon due to his accusatory nature. Well, add another "accusation" to my nature. Tell me, what about accusing people makes you suspicious? These are statements I have hashed and rehashed over and over again today. This is an even stranger statement than "asterisks look pretty good in low light" or whatever. True, but perhaps the stump may need to share with you that such and such trees are all vanilla. Giving a set of secret numbers will prevent scum from associating one code with "vanilla". Thank you for explaining this. I was really dense again when Adelaide first mentioned it.
fhomess Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I've received a few codes from some people and the first thing I've noticed is that there's no consistency to how people are sending them. Some folks are sending exclusively numbers, while some folks are sending other combinations of random characters. I think the whole thing is a lot of effort for a relatively low chance of being high reward, but if we're going to really make it work, I propose that we at least try to create a semblance of consistency. Can we just stick to numbers? The main thing I expect is that we'll be communicating our roles but we won't know how to get that information safely to the Oak block. I will vote after getting some rest. I have a few things I wish to review first and hopefully get responses back on some correspondence in the meantime.
Dragonfire Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Voting Update: Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) - 10 (jamesn, Hinckley, JackJonespaw, jluck, Scaevola, Lego Spy, Bob, Lord Duvors, Goliath, Dragonfire) Chester Chestnut - 3 (StickFig, Zepher, Calanon) Nash Ash (Zepher) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs) Maggie Magnolia (Calanon) - 1 (Scubacarrot) There are 24 Hours left in Day 2. With 22 Players, it takes 12 votes to lynch. Isn't Sammy also voting for Catarina? Is this a badge of honor having made this list? I'm not sure what you mean by this. Ok, just sent everyone a PM with unique codes. You should all have one, but if you didn't receive it, shoot me a PM and I will get you one. If you got 2 (which is entirely possible...this was a logistical nightmare!) let me know, and I'll tell you which one to keep. If I die, but remain a stump, I will share my code on the boards for one of you to decipher. Don't. What should happen is: say I was to die and turn up a stump. Everyone who sent me a code list or received a code list from me posts on the next Day thread with their role as a number (for example, Billy sends me a code list with Blocker = 3.14 on it. When I am a stump, Billy posts "3.14" on the Day thread, letting me know that he is the blocker). I can then compile a list of all the claims and I can out any counterclaims or shady claims. That will only work if everyone code-lists everyone. Note: this does not apply to me since you all know my role.
Mencot Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Note: this does not apply to me since you all know my role. What, why and Have I missed something! I may he a stump but I Don't know your role in this? Maple?
Dragonfire Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 What, why and Have I missed something! I may he a stump but I Don't know your role in this? Maple? Miller. I claimed yesterday.
StickFig Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I told a few people last night that Bruce Spruce was at the top of my Maple list... now I suppose I'll have to wait and see, at least one night. (Bold added for emphasis) That's ominous... Ehh, don't read too much into it unless I die tonight.... Voting Update: Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) - 10 (jamesn, Hinckley, JackJonespaw, jluck, Scaevola, Lego Spy, Bob, Lord Duvors, Goliath, Dragonfire) Isn't Sammy also voting for Catarina? Vote: Catarina Dogwood (Adventurer1) By my count that makes 12 votes for Catarina Dogwood and we have a lynch; my vote against Chester Chesty is unchanged. See you all in another 6-7 pages of ridiculous.
Mencot Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Miller. I claimed yesterday. Ah yes, right. That was you, the late day Miller claimer.
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