jluck Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I would definitely wait to talk to the elder. I have to admit...this tree stump thing might make it really hard for the Maples. Yes, yes, we all hate the Maples, but we want a fair game. I should not comment on game mechanics, sorry. This went quiet really fast and there are a lot of people lurking... Maple! :laugh:
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Maple! :laugh: I might be so why are you laughing?
fhomess Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 “There is some good news, however. Since Buck and Lauren’s stumps remain, they can still speak, though it might pain them to do so. This is why I was concerned that there were certain limitations on what Lauren and Buck might contribute. But, why are you even considering a possibility other than janitor? You are trying way too hard to appear like an Oak, you scummy Maple. You're going down. Primarily because I'm completely unfamiliar with a situation in which all the night kills are interactive stumps and it seems to me, that the only way to create some semblance of order in such a world would be to balance it in some way... for example, having the loggers take the whole tree so that the lynch affiliation is not known. I don't really trust the situation right now because it looks too easy and a simple janitor doesn't seem like enough of a counterbalance.
jimmynick Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Wow, so Alastair was Neutral? I'm also not sure what to make of Lauren and Buck becoming stumps. So were both Maple attacks or was one a Vigilante attack? Two maple attacks? What have you been smoking ? Has anyone considered that Alastair may have been janitored!? I thought that is the most likely option. So should we proceed assuming Alistair was a maple? I agree that it doesn't make sense to janitor as oak. Agreed. Why the maples would even janitor on night one at all in the first place perplexes me. It seems like it would just be too obvious to the oaks and they'd want to keep it a secret until later in the game. Very odd decision on their part. I recall reading a story about another time there was trouble in a Forest, and the scum janitored a townie who was under great suspicion. The town worked off the assumption that said townie was, in fact, scum, leading to mass confusion, lots of deaths and a Lumberjack win. Let's not jump to conclusions. This is getting too easy. Scum are lining up to reveal themselves here. I don't really trust the situation right now because it looks too easy and a simple janitor doesn't seem like enough of a counterbalance. The next-simplest explanation is that the Elder Alden Alder and the loggers already have a list of the trees that can and can't become tree stumps? But then that would deny us the alignments of trees who don't become tree stumps. I'm sticking to the janitor.
TheLazyChicken Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I recall reading a story about another time there was trouble in a Forest, and the scum janitored a townie who was under great suspicion. The town worked off the assumption that said townie was, in fact, scum, leading to mass confusion, lots of deaths and a Lumberjack win. Let's not jump to conclusions. Are you talking about The Forest ||? I do remember a lumberjack from there...
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Maybe the janitor role was not a one-shot and as such it made sense to janitor Alistair IF he was maple; well actually if they have several such abilities, 'janitoring' an oak may be a worthwhile gamble. In terms of whom may have targeted me, I was in communication with Jack Pine (nothing was really said), Waldorf Walnut (he approached me and told me I was different and we proceeded to talk suspicions and gameplay) and Simon Persimmon (we discussed the game a bit and hypothesized whom we would target should we have been part of the block). Of these 3 I reached out to Simon and Jack whereas Waldorf contacted me; I am more suspicious of Waldorf since he reached out to me and said he thought I was playing different.
Bob Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Tree stumps? Interesting. I can't say I've had the best experience with tree stumps though. I'm willing to bet that the tree-stumps will "disappear" after only one day with the town. The rules seem to agree with this, since there is still Rule 8b, which states that dead players cannot communicate when they're dead. This might only apply to the players that are janitored by the scum, since their stumps are gone, but it might also mean that the stumps will disappear as well after only one day (or maybe more). To slightly metagame, that's usually the way it works. It would get really noisy if the dead were allowed to continue talking for the rest of the game and it would give the Maples the advantage to slip under the radar the entire game if we're not careful enough to differentiate between the dead and the living. I also wouldn't put it past dead Maple's to spread lies and spam up the thread in order to help their fellow trees. One day, however is still plenty of time to set up a town block, though, but we'll have to wait on confirmation from the Elder about this.
Yzalirk Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Two maple attacks? What have you been smoking ? I dunno...
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I dunno... Seriously though, what's the logic behind your thoughts? Have you ever seen or heard of 2 maple kill?
Scaevola Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Ok, so Alastair has been janitored. Regarding initial contemplation I'd say that Alastair is scum. It would make sense that they would want to engender doubt about his allegiance and negate any conclusions we could have drawn.
jimmynick Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Ok, so Alastair has been janitored. Regarding initial contemplation I'd say that Alastair is scum. It would make sense that they would want to engender doubt about his allegiance and negate any conclusions we could have drawn. "It makes sense that they wouldn't want us to know Alastair is scum; therefore Alastair is scum." Say that again and see if you believe it the second time around.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Why would the Maples janitor an Oak on Night One? I was concerned about my private communication with Sammy Sycamore. It seemed like he was subtly trying to undermine my confidence in the Alastair vote. If Alastair is Scum, it would definitely scoot Sammy over into the Scum column in my view. That's quite a leap of logic there. You're assuming that Alastair is Maple, you're making me appear as trying to influence your vote, and you're linking the two inappropriately. Yes, I discussed Alastair with you after you asked for my opinion, and I told you the same thing I said in thread for everyone to hear: I wasn't convinced that he was scum. That's why I kept my vote on Bruce. Where's the subtlety in this? OK, if the Maples have limited janitor-shots, I would imagine Alastair was Scum. Maybe they just want to keep us confused for as long as possible. That's a possibility. But I can't imagine why they would use a janitor shot, if it was limited, this early unless it was a big strategic advantage. After looking at their posts from yesterday, neither one did very much of anything. Lauren rallied a lynch of Alastair. I think that is literally his only contribution outside of telling Buck to vote. And Buck made like 4 posts. If the vig did kill, I would assume they killed Buck and the Scum killed Lauren...for rallying people to lynch Alastair...who was Scum...then they janitored him. I see no other reason to kill Lauren. Why didn't the scum kill Bruce then, he's the one who started the Alasdair bandwagon? So going with Alistair as a maple, we should see look back at yesterday to see who he aligned with and who he was against as well as the voting patterns. Why don't you get on that for us? A little eager to go with one solution, huh? Trying to force us to find leads that aren't true because you and your Maple buddies janitored an Oak? And don't forget, I said Sammy was trying to undermine my confidence in the Alastair vote in private. If Alastair is Scum, doesn't that make Sammy highly suspicious, Catarina? Catarina is out new Oak expert. She's so anti-Maple. Make up your mind! You're the one heavily pushing for one theory (Alasdair is scum) then you blame others for not looking at alternatives? It could be possible for them to janitor an oak to create confusion between us oaks and making us eliminate a oak instead of a maple. That's the only reason why they would janitor an oak I think. I recall reading a story about another time there was trouble in a Forest, and the scum janitored a townie who was under great suspicion. The town worked off the assumption that said townie was, in fact, scum, leading to mass confusion, lots of deaths and a Lumberjack win. Let's not jump to conclusions. Yeah, that's an adventure that Simon hosted himself, so he probably remembers. By the way, this is what I read about the Janitor role: "Most of the time, Janitors are scum, so the people whose flips are obscured are usually Town." Not sure how accurate this is, but hey, let's keep our options open shall we.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Why didn't the scum kill Bruce then, he's the one who started the Alasdair bandwagon? Maybe they thought he was likely to be protected. You tell me, Maple! Make up your mind! You're the one heavily pushing for one theory (Alasdair is scum) then you blame others for not looking at alternatives? I'm sorry I'm considering all options. Does that annoy you, Scummy? Bristle bristle bristle bristle. Yeah, that's an adventure that Simon hosted himself, so he probably remembers. You co-hosted it. yourself.
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Got my answers and Elder said he's also post them. I can't PM the living but could PM other stumps.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Maybe they thought he was likely to be protected. You tell me, Maple! I tell you that Bruce is Maple, therefore unlikely to get killed by his own. I'm sorry I'm considering all options. Does that annoy you, Scummy? Bristle bristle bristle bristle. Too late to back out, you spent two pages not considering all options. You co-hosted it. yourself. And loved it too!
Yzalirk Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Seriously though, what's the logic behind your thoughts? Have you ever seen or heard of 2 maple kill? I'm not sure what possessed me to think so but when I was told this, Your second question is just odd. It's not common for scum to have multiple night kills. In all likelihood, one was a maple kill and one was either a vig or a SK. The way you're wording it is like you're asking for a vig to stand up and say, "heyo, that was me!". I really don't think we want our vig to do that. Maples, on the other hand... be my guest! That had me thinking it could be possible.
Walter Kovacs Posted February 3, 2015 Author Posted February 3, 2015 Alden speaks up: "Tree Stumps may not PM the living trees. And the living trees will not PM the Stumps. The stumps can be used by the living to bounce ideas off of, or to give their opinions. Any knowledge that a stump had before being felled, via PM or Night Actions, may be relayed to the rest of the trees during normal conversation throughout the Day. So to re-iterate. Stumps may communicate to the living in the Day thread only. No PMs between the living and the Stumps. Carry on."
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Too late to back out, you spent two pages not considering all options. Didn't I? So, what are you suggesting? You think I'm a Maple because I weighed all of my options...(cue dramatic music)...after two pages? *oh2*
Tamamono Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Stumps: did either of you have night actions?
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I don't know Scummy Sycamore. This doesn't sound conclusive to me: Why would the Maples janitor an Oak on Night One? I was concerned about my private communication with Sammy Sycamore. It seemed like he was subtly trying to undermine my confidence in the Alastair vote. If Alastair is Scum, it would definitely scoot Sammy over into the Scum column in my view. I am assuming that the Maples have limited Janitor capabilities. Otherwise, it would mess with the game mechanics. Or we won't see results until we kill the janitor which would suck. But he's not a stump. I wonder if all Townies come back as Stumps but all Scum die. This is hurting my brain at the moment. OK, if the Maples have limited janitor-shots, I would imagine Alastair was Scum. Maybe they just want to keep us confused for as long as possible. That's a possibility. But I can't imagine why they would use a janitor shot, if it was limited, this early unless it was a big strategic advantage. Sounds like it was still speculation. Maybe you were hoping you could get me lynched with it, but I'm pretty sure I was still weighing all options, while leaning towards one. Well hell, I know that's what I was thinking. Anything more, Mr. Maple? Just as I was speculating about your alignment, which is why I was still sending you potatoes.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Didn't I? So, what are you suggesting? You think I'm a Maple because I weighed all of my options...(cue dramatic music)...after two pages? *oh2* No, I think you might be a Maple because you pushed very hard for one theory that is probably false in order to confuse the Oaks. Eventually you considered the other option half-hardheartedly when it was convenient to you (accusing another tree in the process) yet still toying the idea that I was scum therefore Alasdair too. That's what scum do all the time after janitoring: spreading confusion.
Tamamono Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 That's what scum do all the time after janitoring: spreading confusion. Isn't that what you're trying to do?
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Stumps: did either of you have night actions? :fishing: I'm pretty sure I made it clear earlier that saying this publicly was a bad idea ...
jluck Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Stumps: did either of you have night actions? Bruce, I think we already discussed why this isn't a fair question. Would you ask this if they were alive? And honestly, why do you want to know? If you're oak, why does this matter other than to satisfy curiosity? However, if you're maple...this question is very, VERY important to you.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Isn't that what you're trying to do? Nope, I'm restoring the balance. Do you also agree with Simon that Alasdair must be Maple?
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