Tamamono Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 :fishing: I'm pretty sure I made it clear earlier that saying this publicly was a bad idea ... Bah, I must have missed this. Yeah, I get your point, and if it was something like blocker that's fine, but if you were the investigator or a watcher or a tracker or something, it'd be good to reveal your results at least. Actually, you wouldn't have gotten a result if you had died, would you? This is more advice for future stumps. Sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my trunk around this.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 No, I think you might be a Maple because you pushed very hard for one theory that is probably false in order to confuse the Oaks. Eventually you considered the other option half-hardheartedly when it was convenient to you (accusing another tree in the process) yet still toying the idea that I was scum therefore Alasdair too. That's what scum do all the time after janitoring: spreading confusion. Where did I "push hard" Mr. Scum-so-everything-is-magnified. I wondered about you but now I'm feeling I'm onto something with as strongly as you're reacting. If you're Town, I'm insulted you think my Scum game would be to blatantly contradict myself to get rid of the power-player-Catrina. An Oak's job is to weigh all options. Maples would probably like us not to weigh all options. Did you slip by pushing too hard and now you have to stick to it? Nope, I'm restoring the balance. Luke!?
Tamamono Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Bruce, I think we already discussed why this isn't a fair question. Would you ask this if they were alive? And honestly, why do you want to know? If you're oak, why does this matter other than to satisfy curiosity? However, if you're maple...this question is very, VERY important to you. Yeah, I missed it, sorry. Mobile is not kind to me. Well, if they had informative roles, it's actually very pertinent. If their results die with them, that's bad. Town needs to know everything it can. Nope, I'm restoring the balance. Do you also agree with Simon that Alasdair must be Maple? Not necessarily; I'm open to possibilities. Gun to my trunk, though, I'd say he was Maple, yeah. If the action is one shot, he probably was. People were starting to have doubts by the end; why would they janitor someone who would look like a fairly normal Day One lynch? Plus, it would make me look bad if he flipped Oak, so there's the added bonus of that. You seem to definitely be advocating for a viewing of Alastair as Oak, though...
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Actually, you wouldn't have gotten a result if you had died, would you? This is more advice for future stumps. That's something a Maple would be very interested in finding out.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 No, I think you might be a Maple because you pushed very hard for one theory that is probably false in order to confuse the Oaks. Aren't you an Oak? (pronoun tell: he should've said "us" ) But what makes you think it's "probably false"?
Tamamono Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 That's something a Maple would be very interested in finding out. Information is bad. Let's all stay in the dark. Back to the Stone Ages; anyone who wants to know things must be a Maple. Investigation results are always bad for the Oaks.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 That's something a Maple would be very interested in finding out. So Oaks don't want to know if we've lost any power roles?? Let's say Loren or Buck were the investigator. Then the Scum came to one of us pretending to be the investigator and we had no way of knowing they were Scum and they infiltrated a Town block and killed off all of our power roles. Doesn't the information about what roles they might've had benefit us more than the Maples? I remember a super smart Scum who did just that in a forest called Valhalla. He was devilishly handsome and he killed everybody. Really really really smart guy. And devilishly handsome. And really really really smart.
mostlytechnic Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I questioned if he was Neutral, knowing that it's undetermined now, because it didn't say he was either Oak or Maple. So I was a bit confused on that. I don't intend for a vigilante to come out, unless he/she wants to than sure..? I also completely forgot about the SK as well, whoops! Oh, so then you're ok with the vig claiming in public so the maples can kill him tonight? OK, if the Maples have limited janitor-shots, I would imagine Alastair was Scum. Maybe they just want to keep us confused for as long as possible. That's a possibility. But I can't imagine why they would use a janitor shot, if it was limited, this early unless it was a big strategic advantage. What's your experience with janitors? 1 shot usually? 5 shots? unlimited? What's common? (not experienced with them myself) What I find especially interesting is that neither of the two Oak "deaths"/now stumps are trees brought into question yesterday. It seem like an Oak vigilante would go for one of the top suspects from yesterday, rather than picking, overall, someone who hasn't done anything particularly maple-y as of yet. My best guess is that whatever happened last night, neither of the two kills were dealt by a vig. Suggesting a few things: 1. The vigilante, if we have one, did not submit a kill last night. 2. There is no vigilante. (Somewhat unlikely) 3. Or, in my mind the least likely, the vig did kill last night, and just made a strange decision. Don't forget the crazy option that'd be similar to a story I heard about a legislature, where the vig was killed night 1. It's POSSIBLE (but unlikely) that one of our stumps is a vig who was killed by either the scum or SK before getting a kill of his own (since it's likely that our vig didn't kill night 1 since there's so little evidence to go on). Personally, I think the most likely is #1, that the vig didn't kill and we do have a serial killer in our midst, but even if that's the case, it's possible our vig is dead. If either of our stumps WAS a vig I'd think they'd claim it so we know for sure to look for a SK. I also wouldn't put it past dead Maple's to spread lies and spam up the thread in order to help their fellow trees. And just how would that do that? We'd know the stump was a maple and just ignore everything they said. Sure, I suppose they could LITERALLY spam the day threads with hundreds of nonsense messages, but that would be poor sportsmanship IMHO. Why didn't the scum kill Bruce then, he's the one who started the Alasdair bandwagon? Because janitoring is meant to obscure if the lynched was scum or not, and killing the main opposition to the lynched would make it more obvious that the lynched one IS scum... at least that makes sense to me. Got my answers and Elder said he's also post them. I can't PM the living but could PM other stumps. Thanks for holding off then - I was suspecting such a thing since having PM ability would make the game almost over. All the town PRs could just claim to you in private and then you could make sure there's no dups or other evidence of scum infiltration and act like the town block leader and we'd wipe the maples out in a hurry.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Because janitoring is meant to obscure if the lynched was scum or not, and killing the main opposition to the lynched would make it more obvious that the lynched one IS scum... at least that makes sense to me. YEs, good point! And maybe, assuming Bruce is Town, they wanted to try to get him lynched since there was some momentum towards that yesterday. Good thinking, Jack Pine.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Did you slip by pushing too hard and now you have to stick to it? Stick to what? I came in the picture after you spent many posts implying that Alasdair is scum, without really considering the alternative. Since it's not a foregone conclusion, I accused you of trying to impose your view. You seem to definitely be advocating for a viewing of Alastair as Oak, though... It would make me look bad in Simon's mind if Alasdair was Maple.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Meaning they could've janitored Alastair to make us unsure about his alignment (or even think he's an Oak, which Sammy Scumamore seems to want us to believe) which would keep the suspicion on Bruce. That's a possibility to consider. Not something I'm pushing for.
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I was in a situation with janitors once and if memory serves me well we had 2 abilities to use at our discretion (could have been 1 but I'm pretty sure it was 2).
jluck Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 So Oaks don't want to know if we've lost any power roles?? Let's say Loren or Buck were the investigator. Then the Scum came to one of us pretending to be the investigator and we had no way of knowing they were Scum and they infiltrated a Town block and killed off all of our power roles. Doesn't the information about what roles they might've had benefit us more than the Maples? I remember a super smart Scum who did just that in a forest called Valhalla. He was devilishly handsome and he killed everybody. Really really really smart guy. And devilishly handsome. And really really really smart. You're making this way to complicated. Say the scum come to you saying "I'm the vig". All you have to do is post "someone claimed vig to me". If it's a lie, and the vig is actually a stump, then the stump can simply say "that's a lie because i was the vig". Bingo, scum caught, day saved...so easy. You're kinda clouding this situation by suggesting stumps should claim.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Stick to what? I came in the picture after you spent many posts implying that Alasdair is scum, without really considering the alternative. Since it's not a foregone conclusion, I accused you of trying to impose your view. I am pretty sure you are Scum. Many posts? Look back. Everybody, look at my posts. I had two posts about the possibility of janitor. You're not even building an accurate case, Scummy-pants. You can't lie when the truth is still there in black and white. I talked about the janitor for two posts and all of my conclusions are if-based, possibilities. The rest I am talking about deaths and speculating about who killed who and well, go look. You can all see for yourselves. Scum PerspectiveTM magnifies everything and our Scummy Sycamaple has succumbed to the pressures. So sad you revealed yourself this way. I didn't even accuse you with my janitor speculation. It's a pretty solid, "if this is the case, Sammy might be Scum" but your OMGUS reaction to that makes me think I was onto something.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Aren't you an Oak? (pronoun tell: he should've said "us" ) But what makes you think it's "probably false"? For one thing, because you seem convinced that it's true. Also, because that's what usually happens according to the reference I quoted. And because as I stated yesterday that I didn't think Alasdair was Maple, but Bruce was. Information is bad. Let's all stay in the dark. Back to the Stone Ages; anyone who wants to know things must be a Maple. Investigation results are always bad for the Oaks. Not investigation results, silly. That's not what you asked. Maples would probably want to know whether killing a PR will void their action, since Oaks still can talk the next day.
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 You're making this way to complicated. Say the scum come to you saying "I'm the vig". All you have to do is post "someone claimed vig to me". If it's a lie, and the vig is actually a stump, then the stump can simply say "that's a lie because i was the vig". Bingo, scum caught, day saved...so easy. You're kinda clouding this situation by suggesting stumps should claim. You don't know how to spell "too". And it's not too complicated. It's perfectly reasonable. There are many other situations where the stumps might not be aware of who is claiming what behind the scenes. And if the vig came to me right now, I wouldn't come right out and say it. There are many factors involved in handling claims. Sorry, I didn't realize you were such an expert in the "so easy" ways of catching Scum, but I don't think you've thought that idea all the way through. Your resistance to the option of them claiming is suspect. For one thing, because you seem convinced that it's true. Also, because that's what usually happens according to the reference I quoted. And because as I stated yesterday that I didn't think Alasdair was Maple, but Bruce was. Where???? Read it again, Sammy! Either you're looking too far into it or manipulating it purposely. I wasn't convinced of anything. If it seemed that way, you're either putting it on there yourself or I'm not very good at explaining myself. If that's the case, I apologize. But look at my first two pages of posts again. I have no idea why you think I was "pushing for" or "convinced" of anything.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 It's a pretty solid, "if this is the case, Sammy might be Scum" but your OMGUS reaction to that makes me think I was onto something. Yes, you were trying to cast doubts on my Oakiness which you never do unless you have strong evidence ot that effect. Am in the right then that Bruce is also Maple, is that what's bothering you?
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Yes, you were trying to cast doubts on my Oakiness which you never do unless you have strong evidence ot that effect. Am in the right then that Bruce is also Maple, is that what's bothering you? I believe Bruce is an Oak. And I never cast doubt on people when I have strong evidence. When I have strong evidence I write a play and reveal it in dramatic, narcissistic fashion.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Where???? Read it again, Sammy! Either you're looking too far into it or manipulating it purposely. I wasn't convinced of anything. If it seemed that way, you're either putting it on there yourself or I'm not very good at explaining myself. If that's the case, I apologize. But look at my first two pages of posts again. I have no idea why you think I was "pushing for" or "convinced" of anything. I will let the others decide, we're the only ones doing the talking here. I think you were pushing it, you say you weren't. Let's have second opinions. I believe Bruce is an Oak. Why?
jluck Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 You don't know how to spell "too". And it's not too complicated. It's perfectly reasonable. There are many other situations where the stumps might not be aware of who is claiming what behind the scenes. And if the vig came to me right now, I wouldn't come right out and say it. There are many factors involved in handling claims. Sorry, I didn't realize you were such an expert in the "so easy" ways of catching Scum, but I don't think you've thought that idea all the way through. Your resistance to the option of them claiming is suspect. (snip) You know what? I'm not gonna back down too you on this one, because I honestly think it really is that easy. In fact, I'll proclaim it right now: Here ye, here ye. If you are approached in private by someone claiming a role, let it be known to the stumps if you want to confirm the role isn't one of a dead scum. Proceed at your own discretion Look, if someone claims to you, you don't have to post it right away, but just keep in mind that you can if you want further confirmation. And let's not lose sight of what this is really about. In the end, I'd much rather stumps use their knowledge of their own roles to catch scum as opposed to blurting "I was the investigator" which all will agree benefits the maples. And I meant "dead stumps" not "dead scum"
Hinckley Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 which all will agree benefits the maples. How?
JackJonespaw Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I was in a situation with janitors once and if memory serves me well we had 2 abilities to use at our discretion (could have been 1 but I'm pretty sure it was 2). That's interesting. So if we use that situation as an example, then we have a group of Maples who used one of their greatest assets to cover up a Day 1 lynch. That just seems...unnecessary. Even if Alistar was scum, wouldn't it have been much more useful to use the play later on in the game? Maybe when there is only a handful left? It seems to me like it maybe was a move of desperation, not a move of clever strategy.
Fugazi Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Gut instinct. Tell me. Day One, you were subtly protective of Bruce in private after I accused him. That raised a flag. I may be wrong, but I want it to be known out here.
Piratedave84 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 You know what? I'm not gonna back down too you on this one, because I honestly think it really is that easy. In fact, I'll proclaim it right now: Here ye, here ye. If you are approached in private by someone claiming a role, let it be known to the stumps if you want to confirm the role isn't one of a dead scum. Proceed at your own discretion Look, if someone claims to you, you don't have to post it right away, but just keep in mind that you can if you want further confirmation. And let's not lose sight of what this is really about. In the end, I'd much rather stumps use their knowledge of their own roles to catch scum as opposed to blurting "I was the investigator" which all will agree benefits the maples. And I meant "dead stumps" not "dead scum" I'm going to assume that since I can't PM you, you should not PM me and if you do I don't think I'd be at liberty to use that info. But eh! If you feel like claiming to me, be my guest!
Recommended Posts