Hinckley Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Alastair Pear - 15 (Stickfig, Tamamono, Scaevola, Lord Duvors, jamesn, Lego Spy, PirateDave84, Zepher, Calanon, Bob, Hinckley, adventurer1, jluck, TinyPiesRUs, Mencot) Catarina Dogwood (adventurer1) - 16 (jamesn, Hinckley, JackJonespaw, jluck, Scaevola, Lego Spy, Bob, Lord Duvors, Fugazi, Goliath, Dragonfire, TheLazyChicken, badboytje88, fhomess, mostlytechnic, Tamamono) You left out Clem. Why?
Scubacarrot Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I am sure that many groupings of eight people would have one Scum in them. So, what do you think joining Alasdair's bandwagon means since we still don't know his affiliation? Is there any other insight you have into my or the seven other listed player's behavior that makes you think one of us is Scum? This is one of the fluffiest statements I've seen. You're just trying to justify your lynch of Catarina yesterday. I said it yesterday and I will say it again, it was a BS lynch. I can't believe that lead to a lynch, sodding asterisks in the dark. (nice bruce springstone coverband name) I will bet there were a LOT of scum that jumped on that bandwagon (or purposefully avoided, which means it doesn't help us ). I'm sure there IS a pattern, I just have a hard time figuring it out. Although, I thought Maggie voting right after Nash twice in a row is interesting, it's not like their position in the forest is next to each other, so there is no geographical reason for that to be the case.
Hinckley Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I don't think I had codes with any dead trees. If need be, I can communicate with the stumps regarding you. Sounds like a good method. Are you guys allowed to PM each other? If so, that does simplifies things. Now here's my claim -- but you stumps make sure not to divulge this unless there's a good reason to it and to verified Oaks only. Catarina = djj4r Agnes = 454 Vicky = Greatly You and Adelaide really deserve credit for getting everyone to work together. How very Oaky of you both. How drippingly, conspicuously Oaky of you. Why, a Maple would never do anything so valiant as suggesting such a system of information gathering. Never. You're just trying to justify your lynch of Catarina yesterday. Please, tell me more about what I'm doing. How do you get that out of what I posted? I voted Catarina because I thought she was Scum. Larry's post is what I see as BS.
Scubacarrot Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 If need be, I can communicate with the stumps regarding you. You're a stump whisperer?
Hinckley Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 You're a stump whisperer? I have a list of codes with each stump and I know Bruce's role. Except Catarina... Sorry.
Scubacarrot Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Please, tell me more about what I'm doing. How do you get that out of what I posted? I voted Catarina because I thought she was Scum. Larry's post is what I see as BS. Are you saying you did not start that lynch? I got that from your post because you are equating the day 1 lynch with the day 2 lynch. it sounds like you're justifying what you did to me. Along with your pointless bickering that filled the day 2 thread, you've been extremely unhelpful yesterday. And somehow you managed to get to know my role and be confirmed. How? Beats me. I have a list of codes with each stump and I know Bruce's role. Except Catarina... Sorry. A stump whisperer sounds better than the flawed codes. Who wants to do the work for the codes: scum and power roles. How many codes did I get, around eight.
Hinckley Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Are you saying you did not start that lynch? I got that from your post because you are equating the day 1 lynch with the day 2 lynch. it sounds like you're justifying what you did to me. Along with your pointless bickering that filled the day 2 thread, you've been extremely unhelpful yesterday. And somehow you managed to get to know my role and be confirmed. How? Beats me. I am saying I didn't start that lynch. I made a case for Sammy, who I'm still suspicious of. I voted third for Catrina. Didn't I just post the voting order (Bruce unvoted)? How am I equating the two lynches, one of which we don't know the outcome of because of a supposed janitor? Are you reading the posts clearly? I'm sorry you find my "bickering" pointless. Did your six votes help us clarify anything? I pointed out what I found suspicious and tried to poke those people for others to gauge the reactions. If you have a way to start catching the Scum, let's hear it.
Scubacarrot Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 By scum and power roles I meant that the codes obviously work best to signify dead power roles, so power roles would be likely to put in the work. Scum would possibly join on the 'helpful' bandwagon because of it's nature. Of the codes I received I'm guessing they mostly make up of power roles, and if we're lucky, scum. I personally hold the people that send me codes under quite a lot of scrutiny. I am saying I didn't start that lynch. I made a case for Sammy, who I'm still suspicious of. I voted third for Catrina. Didn't I just post the voting order (Bruce unvoted)? How am I equating the two lynches, one of which we don't know the outcome of because of a supposed janitor? Are you reading the posts clearly? I'm sorry you find my "bickering" pointless. Did your six votes help us clarify anything? I pointed out what I found suspicious and tried to poke those people for others to gauge the reactions. If you have a way to start catching the Scum, let's hear it. If your arguing with Sammy was what you found suspicious, you need new standards, it's around five pages of dribble. With your pushing and ridiculing of Catarina, you might as well have voted first. You don't start a lynch with voting, you start by making a case, or here, by making fun of someone. What do you mean by six votes?
Dragonfire Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 That's very surprising... my three top suspects all dead and Oaks. My scum-dar must be very off.... Reading. You're just trying to justify your lynch of Catarina yesterday. I said it yesterday and I will say it again, it was a BS lynch. I can't believe that lead to a lynch, sodding asterisks in the dark. (nice bruce springstone coverband name) I will bet there were a LOT of scum that jumped on that bandwagon (or purposefully avoided, which means it doesn't help us ). I'm sure there IS a pattern, I just have a hard time figuring it out. Although, I thought Maggie voting right after Nash twice in a row is interesting, it's not like their position in the forest is next to each other, so there is no geographical reason for that to be the case. A lot of us voted for Catarina because we found here generally scummy, actually. Agnes, I am a 323. Catarina, I am a 6161. Vicky, I am a 34. Oh, my bad - *her, not here I have a hunch as to why Vicky was targeted. She was pinging many people by suspiciously claiming her role behind scenes...
Zepher Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Actually, thinking about it, I don't think scum would be so dumb to do that. This still doesn't make you an oak but this does make you look less maple-y. It had made sense at first that you could do that if you were a maple, but now you cleared it up a little. Jeezy petes, stand for something, would you?! What a bizarro statement. Does this not ping anyone else? What in the world was this? "I agree that you're maple-y, oh, you said you're not maple-y, so you're right never mind thanks for clearing that up." You're just trying to justify your lynch of Catarina yesterday. Agreed. I can't tell if Simon is a maple or just playing a very weird oak game (maybe not enough sunlight) but pretty much everything he does pings me. The lynch yesterday WAS led by him, and for a reason that made literally no sense. Why anyone would vote based on that statement is beyond me. It was a ton of fun to poke fun at, I'll grant you that, but why in the world would liking asterisk in low lighting make you a maple! Just look at this post today day! Oh God, I just realized this means Catarina really does like the looks of asterisks in low light. what the hell? What does that mean?! That lying about why you use asterisks makes you a maple, but if you're honest of course you're an oak. What loopy crazy world do asterisks dictate what type of tree you are? Sure her explanation was weird, but it was weird for something that totally didn't matter. And then he says that Bruce is confirmed but he can't let us know how. And then he tries to make it seem like any other confirmed person can't possibly be confirmed, even though it would just be their word, same as his. And then he tries to get William to tell him his role as if he himself is confirmed. That being said, my vote for Chester yesterday felt good, and I'm going to stick to that today unless anyone else really pings me. Larry Larch is certainly doing a good job of that so far!
Piratedave84 Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 The issue with the codes is that scum will most likely claim vanilla; why would you risk it and claim a PR when you run the risk of being caught? We have 9 claims of vanilla and a few more to compile and I would bet you they'll all be vanilla. Probabilities would have it that out of the 9 people, one would have a PR yet we have no claim. This means that both scum and town likely lied on their codes making the whole thing a big mess. I can understand how bit could be helpful to setup a block but by now a traditional block should also be forming making the codes that much more irrelevant.
StickFig Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I have a hunch as to why Vicky was targeted. She was pinging many people by suspiciously claiming her role behind scenes... Which is pretty interesting, since the only person I claimed to was you....
Piratedave84 Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Which is pretty interesting, since the only person I claimed to was you.... Ah! Could it be this easy? Did we just catch scum!
StickFig Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I would assume that after I claimed to Berty Birch the miller, that fact was passed to others in PM, who then thought my claiming was scummy, and vig-killed me. But I suppose that Berty could be scum trying to mislead us all, I'm just not inclined to believe that based on the fact that no one has counterclaimed miller yet.
MagPiesRUs Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 The issue with the codes is that scum will most likely claim vanilla; why would you risk it and claim a PR when you run the risk of being caught? We have 9 claims of vanilla and a few more to compile and I would bet you they'll all be vanilla. Probabilities would have it that out of the 9 people, one would have a PR yet we have no claim. This means that both scum and town likely lied on their codes making the whole thing a big mess. I can understand how bit could be helpful to setup a block but by now a traditional block should also be forming making the codes that much more irrelevant. I really hope you're deliberately misleading us living trees with that statement, because otherwise you just outed a whole lot of people as vanillas. It's fine if scum roleclaim vanilla anyway. It locks them into a position they can't get out of if they're watched/tracked, and prevents them from getting into a potential town block. Once everyone has claimed and there are no apparent discrepancies, we can start weeding out the vanillas. Which is pretty interesting, since the only person I claimed to was you.... Interesting. Looking back, I just realised Berty Birch was the one who claimed miller. Why are you speaking in code to the stumps if everyone already knows your role?
Piratedave84 Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I really hope you're deliberately misleading us living trees with that statement, because otherwise you just outed a whole lot of people as vanillas. It's fine if scum roleclaim vanilla anyway. It locks them into a position they can't get out of if they're watched/tracked, and prevents them from getting into a potential town block. Once everyone has claimed and there are no apparent discrepancies, we can start weeding out the vanillas. Interesting. Looking back, I just realised Berty Birch was the one who claimed miller. Why are you speaking in code to the stumps if everyone already knows your role? No, no one else knows the codes besides the ones they were sent to and no codes were revealed; 9 out of 25 is not jeopardizing town. it does prove a point and like I said, probabilities have I that at least one of those is scum. The way I see things, the more pressure is put to send codes in, the scummier it looks. But that's just me. Look at how we stand today, we're down 5 townies and codes have yet to give us any info besides sidetracking the discussion. Look at yesterday, we discussed the megablocking codes for half the day and then you lynched an Oak based on asterisks and low light; BRA.VO!
jluck Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I would assume that after I claimed to Berty Birch the miller, that fact was passed to others in PM, who then thought my claiming was scummy, and vig-killed me. But I suppose that Berty could be scum trying to mislead us all, I'm just not inclined to believe that based on the fact that no one has counterclaimed miller yet. Full disclosure, Berty told me you claimed on January 31st (locally) and then further told me on February 1st that you claimed as vanilla townie. I had no way of verifying this claim, so I figured I'd just tell you here. He was very suspicious of you because, according to Berty, you PMed someone asking them to vote for Alastair (brickilodeon) and that you sent him a suspicious message as well. F2
Lady K Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Full disclosure, Berty told me you claimed on January 31st (locally) and then further told me on February 1st that you claimed as vanilla townie. I had no way of verifying this claim, so I figured I'd just tell you here. He was very suspicious of you because, according to Berty, you PMed someone asking them to vote for Alastair (brickilodeon) and that you sent him a suspicious message as well. F2 With no one verified as town at this point, I find it odd that these trusting PMs would even take place. I also found it odd in my PM with Berty, that he trusted Barry fully without question. No one should trust anyone at that point in the game. Barry, what is F2 at the bottom of this post supposed to mean?
TheLazyChicken Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 Barry, what is F2 at the bottom of this post supposed to mean? I think that might mean thats his code. Whoever got that type of code knows what it means I guess. :shrug: Jeezy petes, stand for something, would you?! What a bizarro statement. Does this not ping anyone else? What in the world was this? "I agree that you're maple-y, oh, you said you're not maple-y, so you're right never mind thanks for clearing that up" Let me rephrase what I tried to mean. What Chester said showed me what he thought of what Vicky said about Chester killing Vicky for the vote from yesterday. It cleared part of this up but this still doesn't make him an oak. I still think he is a maple but that statement kinda clarified why he wouldn't do that, not that he would do it though. I hope that made a bit more sense.
jluck Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I think that might mean thats his code. Whoever got that type of code knows what it means I guess. :shrug: Correct.
Fugazi Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 You and Adelaide really deserve credit for getting everyone to work together. How very Oaky of you both. How drippingly, conspicuously Oaky of you. Why, a Maple would never do anything so valiant as suggesting such a system of information gathering. Never. I agree. Also, a Maple would not do anything as wreckless as suggesting on Day Two they're in contact with the investigator and starting to form the verified core of our forest. I'm glad we're both on such an Oaky pedestal. And somehow you managed to get to know my role and be confirmed. How? Beats me. When was Simon ever confirmed? A stump whisperer sounds better than the flawed codes. Who wants to do the work for the codes: scum and power roles. How many codes did I get, around eight. Assuming that all the claims today are vanilla (which may or may not be true, since stumps were advised not to share information with unverified trees), it doesn't fully support your point. Unless both Maples and Oaks are lying about their claim. The issue with the codes is that scum will most likely claim vanilla; why would you risk it and claim a PR when you run the risk of being caught? Because if you lie and are later found to have a power role, you're in deep trouble. We have 9 claims of vanilla and a few more to compile and I would bet you they'll all be vanilla. Probabilities would have it that out of the 9 people, one would have a PR yet we have no claim. This means that both scum and town likely lied on their codes making the whole thing a big mess. I can understand how bit could be helpful to setup a block but by now a traditional block should also be forming making the codes that much more irrelevant. A traditional block can never be as safe as your stump block. For one thing, we don't know if conversions are possible. Don't dismiss your usefulness, now and later in the game. Now the other possibility is that there are indeed very few power roles in this forest, perhaps providing a balance for the stumps. I wouldn't disclose that kind of information to just anybody if I were you though, or Maples will take advantage of it. I would assume that after I claimed to Berty Birch the miller, that fact was passed to others in PM, who then thought my claiming was scummy, and vig-killed me. But I suppose that Berty could be scum trying to mislead us all, I'm just not inclined to believe that based on the fact that no one has counterclaimed miller yet. No miller conterclaim is meaningless, as it's not a common role to start with. The way I see things, the more pressure is put to send codes in, the scummier it looks. But that's just me. Look at how we stand today, we're down 5 townies and codes have yet to give us any info besides sidetracking the discussion. I'm sorry, I still think that codes can give us plenty of information if used properly. Of course you can't expect to learn anything from 9 out of 25 claims. I also note that trees like Simon who were strong proponents of the codes didn't send in their claim. How are we supposed to make this work then?
jimmynick Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 With no one verified as town at this point, I find it odd that these trusting PMs would even take place. I also found it odd in my PM with Berty, that he trusted Barry fully without question. No one should trust anyone at that point in the game. Catarina is right. Sure, Berty might have some confidence he's confirmed because of the miller claim, but WHY did he blab about Vicky's role to Barry? Why would you do that? Barry isn't confirmed! You DON'T blab people's roles to other people. Even on deadboards! When it doesn't matter anymore! Let me rephrase what I tried to mean. What Chester said showed me what he thought of what Vicky said about Chester killing Vicky for the vote from yesterday. It cleared part of this up but this still doesn't make him an oak. I still think he is a maple but that statement kinda clarified why he wouldn't do that, not that he would do it though. I hope that made a bit more sense. It does make sense, but it still strikes me as a David Alastair vs. Goliath Hazel sort of interaction. "Hey, Chester, you look like a maple." "Larry, I swear I'm not." "OK then."
Yzalirk Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 There only vote against any of us was Berty's vote against me in Day 1. That's something. Maybe she wanted you to be dealt with so she attacked you lat night? Maybe that's the simple to find out. Who has Berty been "friendly" with? Maybe a friend of Berty has done the deed for her.
JackJonespaw Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 I'm sorry, I still think that codes can give us plenty of information if used properly. Of course you can't expect to learn anything from 9 out of 25 claims. I also note that trees like Simon who were strong proponents of the codes didn't send in their claim. How are we supposed to make this work then? That is true, I think all of us stumps received codes from Simon (I'll have to double check), and yet three pages into Day 3, and no claim. Simon? Also, I agree that the codes do give us a lot of info, but there's really no true way to confirm whether or not the info is sound, at least not until one of those trees get stump-ifyed. That's something. Maybe she wanted you to be dealt with so she attacked you lat night? Maybe that's the simple to find out. Who has Berty been "friendly" with? Maybe a friend of Berty has done the deed for her. That's possible, although during Day 2 there was no feud between us, so I'm not sure how true that might be. On the subject of Berty, however, I would like to know about those who voted for her Day 1 and then unvoted so they could vote for Alastair. So, Bruce and Clem, any reasons?
Yzalirk Posted February 8, 2015 Posted February 8, 2015 On the subject of Berty, however, I would like to know about those who voted for her Day 1 and then unvoted so they could vote for Alastair. So, Bruce and Clem, any reasons? I'd like to know too.
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