Unrest in the Forest - Day 3: Caress of Steel

[Tamamono]

Also, I did not claim to Simon. I said something role-related. But didn't claim. I did claim to Bruce. Who then told Simon. Even before he could have been investigated.

I had every reason to believe he was town. I would not have put you in jeopardy otherwise. You're worrying about this way too much.

That sounds very irresponsible of him.

I'm the kind of guy who you don't let house-sit.

Yeah, wait, didn't yesterday you claim that you had found Bruce to be Oak? So were you already a mouth-piece? And then today he cleared you? But you're the mouthpiece, so you have to tell us about it. This just sounds like you guys have somehow confirmed each other. Even if there's a third party I'm very confused by what you're talking about.

3rd party contacts... you, yesterday, and tells you that they've cleared Bruce, which you then announce but then today Bruce is told by the 3rd party that you have been cleared, so now you're allowed to be the mouthpiece?

Or, 3rd party contacts Bruce yesterday who then tells you that Bruce has been cleared, and then you later clear Bruce?

You're way too curious about this. Want to know what roles you need to kill, scummy? Your fishing won't fool me, bud.

I don't feel too suspicious of you but it seems like you are trying to hide away from everyone else and not be noticed.

Vote: Peter Cedar (badboytje88)

I would like to hear from you more.

Good of you to tell us that you like to vote for people you don't think are scum. It's too late for poking votes, buddy.

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken)

You're long overdue.

It seems to me that there's an easy answer to all this "I can assert that so-and-so is cleared" nonsense: claim to the Oak stumps. You want verified? I'm verified. Doesn't get more verified than me. The other stumps are verified. There's no way to be more verified than them.

If there's a town block out there, it sure doesn't seem like they're doing much to communicate with verified oaks.

I do not trust any one of the stumps to competently lynch scum.

Plus, there's no way for me to claim to you. I don't have codes with a single dead person, and quite frankly, the code system, as I suspected, is complete trash that did not and will not ever work. Lauren outing a bunch of vanillas illustrates this.

[Fugazi]

I suppose it didn't matter which one of announced that Bruce was verified since he can speak for himself, but there is a reason we chose me as the mouthpiece and I don't want it revealed publicly.

I agree with that statement, but clarifying that for you will give away too much. I think it should be obvious that we don't want to reveal certain things so as not to reveal things to the Scum. But, I understand how this stuff can seem strange, so keep poking people.

Then you probably also understand that until your story makes any kind of sense, not everyone will be following you blindly.

Simon was verified as an Oak by the investigator, same as me.

Got it. You were investigated by a third party, then went asking Simon to tell us the good news.

If they are lying, the real investigator would come forward and tell us as much, or claim to the stumps.

Maybe Alastair was the investigator, and he blabbed too much.

[Bob]

I'm torn between Bobby or Larry. Bobby's posts have been useless and it seems like he's seriously trying to coast through this game for some reason. On Day Two he said this:

Ditto.

Well aside from that poignant remark I nothing even vaguely useful to add at the moment. Sorry.

Great! Thanks for stopping by!

Then there's Larry. These are the two posts of his that have stuck out to me today:

Nooo!!!

I was hoping for there to have been a dead maple. I wonder why Vicky was killed. If he was a vigilante kill it could be for him being quiet. If it was a scum kill, I really don't know an explanation for that.

Not much substance and basically repeating what had already been said without trying to provide his own theories or explanations.

Looking at the votes from the last two days, I noticed that these people have joined the previous two bandwagons that resulted in the lynch for that day. Waldorf, Simon, Barry, William, Chester, Sue, Bobby, and Bruce were those people. I am sure that there is at least one scum in that group of people.

Then there's this completely useless post about one or more of the people in yesterday's vote being scum. Statistically of course that's a given, but he feels the need to bring it up anyway so he can say "I'm active and I'm trying to help!" Except he's not helping. Like, at all.

So then I went back and looked through the last couple of days. Here's some choice ones from Day One:

I don't really know either, but any information is helpful, especially on Day 1. Even though its rare to get helpful information that can really help us look for scum on Day 1.

Seems like a wishy-washy statement to me. "Yeah, any information is helpful, but good luck getting information!"

Unless a random comment says that the person is scum or someone is scum, then I'm not so sure!

Why am I laughing so much, this is serious business...

A fluff post meant to increase his count and look active. We'll be seeing a lot more posts like this.

Eh, I was saying that I thought there could be 8 scum but then wasn't so sure if it was possible for it to actually happen.

It was basically more of a question though.

Eight scum Since when in a game of 25 has there been eight scum? The possibility is baffling and the fact that he even brings it up is suspicious, and, once again, meant to give the illusion that he's being active.

There isn't really much to contribute on Day 1 though...

Yes there is. You're supposed to engage in dialogue with the other players and try and work out scummy people based on that. I've said it before and I'll said it again, Day One isn't meant to be a happy fun time where we all sing songs and hold hands. We're meant to read carefully to try and work out scum using limited information.

I'm interested to see your explanation of Bruce's behavior, care to explain?

Also, I'm pretty sure that what Bobby did was a mistake, he did that in the last mafia game.

I am going to have to disagree with this vote and statement. I also don't see why calling out people talking about game mechanics would be maple-y. I see that more of just a suspicion an oak would do.

I don't find any of your reasons really helpful either.

These two posts seriously pinged me. He just defended two people completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason. Why?

I see where you are coming from but I'm not trying to defend them, I'm just curious about those two votes because I don't find those two people suspicious. As for my vote, no one has struck me as scum yet

The only reason I defended Bobby was because editing a post is not something I find scum would really do. He also did it last game we played together so I wasn't really on board on the fact that he was scum just for editing a post.

Oh, because editing a post isn't something that a scum would do? This is a note to all future scum. If you want to blend in well with the town, you've got to edit your posts, because according to Larry, the scum don't edit their posts.

Much like others have stated, it looks like you are trying to save your self image and not look maple-y I front of others. This is not something an oak would do either. Your suspicion about Bobby also pinged me a bit. It seems like it was just a mistake and you casted a suspicion on him. So my vote for today goes to you;

Vote: Chester Chestnut (Lego Spy)

I'm satisfied with my vote right now and don't plan on changing it. If a vote gets needed for a lynch on Alastair Pear, then I will vote for her since 13 votes are needed to lynch someone and a lynch will give us some more info to go off on for Day 2.

Huh? He votes for the person that initially cast suspicion on Bobby because of that reason. That's basically a revenge vote even if it's not the person who's been accused voting for him. Then he says he'll vote for Alistair if there needs to be a lynch, basically telling us all that he's a bandwagoner. Great.

If I was scum why would I try to defend some maple buddies, it doesn't seem reasonable to go down with them. I defended Bobby because editing a post isn't so maple-y. I'm convinced it was probably a mistake since that's what also happened in our last mafia game we played together. As for Berty, I just wanted to see his reasons for his suspicion.

Metagaming to try and defend Bobby again. This is the third time that Larry has jumped to defend Bobby for no real reason. That's suspicious in itself.

Moving on to Day Two:

This is getting confusing, all these stumps and things...

It could be possible for them to janitor an oak to create confusion between us oaks and making us eliminate a oak instead of a maple. That's the only reason why they would janitor an oak I think.

Ah, I love the smell of fluff in the morning. Yes, that's the purpose of a janitor. If you've read about janitors you should know that's how they work. Everyone knows that's the basic gist of the janitor role. You didn't need to repeat it just to say something.

Are you talking about The Forest ||? I do remember a lumberjack from there...

The basic definition of fluff. Saying something just so you can say you're an active participant.

Like I said before, the reason I said that, was because editing a post wasn't a thing to identify you as scum. I didn't really see why Chester saw that as a scummy thing to do.

Once again he's defending Bobby.

I have to agree with others on this, this isn't helpful at all.

Do you have any suspicions at the moment? I interested to see who you find suspicious.

Someone on his team must have told him that he was being way too close with Bobby. That's the only explanation I have for his sudden shift in opinion towards him.

Yes, I do, but making an edit wasn't much of something a scum would do, I personally think that would just draw attention to themselves, and that's what scum least wants.

Ah, but old habits die hard. Here he is again defending Bobby.

Chester, my post from yesterday is where I explained why. It also seems like Bobby is becoming more maple-y with his posts, so he is becoming one of my suspects.

He got yelled at again, so now he's trying to distance himself from Bobby once more.

I think its because they are experienced and know how to root out scum most of the times.

It's really far into Day Two and there's just more fluff posts from him.

Actually, you aren't that much of a newbie, you have played 6 games, and that's coming from the sign-up thread, so no, you are not a n00b.

You just got caught in a lie. You haven't been the only person who has been targeted. Chester has also been targeted, not only you. This lack of a defense on this makes you look maple-y.

Vote: Catarina Dogwood (Adventurer1)

One vote is needed for you to get lynched so therefore my vote goes to you, we need a lynch for today so we can gather more information for tomorrow.

Bobby, are you ever going to share your suspicions? I'm still waiting you know...

And then there's this gem. There's so many things wrong with this post right here, starting with him saying that Catarina is caught in a lie because she claimed that she was the only one being accused that day. Then he claims that Chester had also been targeted, but there weren't as many people going after Chester as there were Catarina, so it's likely she missed it. Nevertheless, that's what pinged him enough. It almost seems like he was combing the thread just looking for a reason to hop onto the bandwagon, which he does. Then he tries asking Bobby for his suspicions at the end. That last second addition seems like almost an afterthought, where he's thinking "I've got to keep the distance between Bobby and I!"

He's not even responded to the accusations that Simon and Nash brought against him, instead electing to poke Peter Cedar.

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken)

You even said that you don't think he's too suspicious.

[Tamamono]

Got it. You were investigated by a third party, then went asking Simon to tell us the good news.

Look, you and your scum buddies are a little too eager to know what happened. By trying to classify it as one way or another, you are inadvertently giving scum information. The bottom line is that Simon and I are both confirmed town, and you should trust and respect that.

Maybe Alastair was the investigator, and he blabbed too much.

This is just ridiculous. Is it possible? Yes, sure, but there's only a 1/25 chance of it being possible, along with the fact that he put up almost no fight at the end, and didn't claim. If you think that's a possibility worth seriously considering, you're on drugs.

Your complete refusal to accept Occam's Razor is indicative of you being scum. The bottom line is that Simon and I are confirmed town and about to steamroll you and the rest of your scummy pals right out of town.

[TheLazyChicken]

Good of you to tell us that you like to vote for people you don't think are scum. It's too late for poking votes, buddy.

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken)

You're long overdue.

I have horrible communicating skills.

I was trying to say that I felt suspicious of him but wasn't 100% sure that he was scum, he's quiet in the games he plays but in this one it seems like he is trying to hide.

[Fugazi]

I do not trust any one of the stumps to competently lynch scum.

Plus, there's no way for me to claim to you. I don't have codes with a single dead person, and quite frankly, the code system, as I suspected, is complete trash that did not and will not ever work. Lauren outing a bunch of vanillas illustrates this.

Because you're so great at competently lynching scum, your Oakiness. How convenient of you not to send codes to the one tree that was sure to die yesterday.

Look, you and your scum buddies are a little too eager to know what happened. By trying to classify it as one way or another, you are inadvertently giving scum information. The bottom line is that Simon and I are both confirmed town, and you should trust and respect that.

If it's inadvertent then I'm not scum, and you're contradicting yourself. I can only trust and respect those who show respect, but you're arrogant and don't play with the town.

This is just ridiculous. Is it possible? Yes, sure, but there's only a 1/25 chance of it being possible, along with the fact that he put up almost no fight at the end, and didn't claim. If you think that's a possibility worth seriously considering, you're on drugs.

If he blabbed to the wrong person the odds are 1/1. You're right that he might have claimed, but maybe that didn't cross his mind. Maybe there's no town investigator. Either way, your record doesn't exactly spare you from being scrutinized.

[TheLazyChicken]

I'm torn between Bobby or Larry. Bobby's posts have been useless and it seems like he's seriously trying to coast through this game for some reason. On Day Two he said this:

Great! Thanks for stopping by!

Then there's Larry. These are the two posts of his that have stuck out to me today:

Not much substance and basically repeating what had already been said without trying to provide his own theories or explanations.

Then there's this completely useless post about one or more of the people in yesterday's vote being scum. Statistically of course that's a given, but he feels the need to bring it up anyway so he can say "I'm active and I'm trying to help!" Except he's not helping. Like, at all.

So then I went back and looked through the last couple of days. Here's some choice ones from Day One:

Seems like a wishy-washy statement to me. "Yeah, any information is helpful, but good luck getting information!"

A fluff post meant to increase his count and look active. We'll be seeing a lot more posts like this.

Eight scum Since when in a game of 25 has there been eight scum? The possibility is baffling and the fact that he even brings it up is suspicious, and, once again, meant to give the illusion that he's being active.

Yes there is. You're supposed to engage in dialogue with the other players and try and work out scummy people based on that. I've said it before and I'll said it again, Day One isn't meant to be a happy fun time where we all sing songs and hold hands. We're meant to read carefully to try and work out scum using limited information.

These two posts seriously pinged me. He just defended two people completely out of the blue for absolutely no reason. Why?

Oh, because editing a post isn't something that a scum would do? This is a note to all future scum. If you want to blend in well with the town, you've got to edit your posts, because according to Larry, the scum don't edit their posts.

Huh? He votes for the person that initially cast suspicion on Bobby because of that reason. That's basically a revenge vote even if it's not the person who's been accused voting for him. Then he says he'll vote for Alistair if there needs to be a lynch, basically telling us all that he's a bandwagoner. Great.

Metagaming to try and defend Bobby again. This is the third time that Larry has jumped to defend Bobby for no real reason. That's suspicious in itself.

Moving on to Day Two:

Ah, I love the smell of fluff in the morning. Yes, that's the purpose of a janitor. If you've read about janitors you should know that's how they work. Everyone knows that's the basic gist of the janitor role. You didn't need to repeat it just to say something.

The basic definition of fluff. Saying something just so you can say you're an active participant.

Once again he's defending Bobby.

Someone on his team must have told him that he was being way too close with Bobby. That's the only explanation I have for his sudden shift in opinion towards him.

Ah, but old habits die hard. Here he is again defending Bobby.

He got yelled at again, so now he's trying to distance himself from Bobby once more.

It's really far into Day Two and there's just more fluff posts from him.

And then there's this gem. There's so many things wrong with this post right here, starting with him saying that Catarina is caught in a lie because she claimed that she was the only one being accused that day. Then he claims that Chester had also been targeted, but there weren't as many people going after Chester as there were Catarina, so it's likely she missed it. Nevertheless, that's what pinged him enough. It almost seems like he was combing the thread just looking for a reason to hop onto the bandwagon, which he does. Then he tries asking Bobby for his suspicions at the end. That last second addition seems like almost an afterthought, where he's thinking "I've got to keep the distance between Bobby and I!"

He's not even responded to the accusations that Simon and Nash brought against him, instead electing to poke Peter Cedar.

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken)

You even said that you don't think he's too suspicious.

I never tried to keep my distance from anyone. My defense with Bobby was because the last game we played he edited his posts two times I think, but Chester said that it made Bobby look like scum. I didn't agree with this because editing a post doesn't mean you are 100% scum. The fluff posts weren't meant to make me look active. I also never said that Bobby was town, I was just trying to tell Chester that editing a post doesn't make you scum all the time. I have had to repeat this like 3 times.

I was kinda suspicious of Alastair too, but I felt that Chester was scummier than her.

[Tamamono]

Because you're so great at competently lynching scum, your Oakiness. How convenient of you not to send codes to the one tree that was sure to die yesterday.

Because it's a stupid system. Even Catalina thought so.

If it's inadvertent then I'm not scum, and you're contradicting yourself. I can only trust and respect those who show respect, but you're arrogant and don't play with the town.

I'm not supposed to be 100% on whether you're town or scum - because I'm town, and don't know everything. Unlike you, who clearly knows everything. That's extremely townie.

If "playing with the town" means handing the wheel to these stumps, I would rather not play with the town. I would rather lynch scum. You can be with me and we can lynch scum together, or we can win despite your resistance. Your choice.

If he blabbed to the wrong person the odds are 1/1. You're right that he might have claimed, but maybe that didn't cross his mind. Maybe there's no town investigator. Either way, your record doesn't exactly spare you from being scrutinized.

You could also say that I'm the godfather. The cop is naive. Random. Insane. I was tailored.

But when someone comes up town to investigation, we don't focus on those things, do we? Because the most likely instance is probably the right one. What's most likely here? That Simon and I are town. However, you are focusing on the unlikely. Either you're scum trying to keep two confirmed players who mean business from rolling over your team or you just have a personal vendetta against us.

[Yzalirk]

Okay, so I looked back and this is what I found;

Day One - Berty voted against Agnes more as a poke to get him to speak up. Then Agnes voted against Berty, which looks like a revenge vote but Berty did claim to be the Miller out of the blue. I don't know whether or not I should believe that claim since it seemed odd to claim that on Day One for no reason. I would have also thought he would have been targeted for that but no, that hasn't happened. I'm not sure what to make of that but it seems rather odd. However, I suspected Larry for quite a while because it seemed like he's defended two people - William and Bobby. It was Day One so why would you stick your neck out for two people and are unaware of what they may be? Vicky was also the first to vote against Alastair and no one has really bothered him him/her so my guess is that a vigilnate may have targeted Vicky. That's just a speculation, nothing else.

Day Two - Vicky was the first to vote against Chester. My speculation is a 50/50 here since the vigilante may have killed Vicky because the vigilante may have thought that Vicky could be trying to start a band wagon or that a Maple thought this. More speculation, again. Chester has been suspicious to a few people as well, so that should be taken into consideration, just like Larry. Agnes was the third to vote against Catarina so he could have been a random target for all we know. I still have to look and see if Vicky and Agnes have been clashing against anyone and see if there is a motive there.

I'm just not sure of who to vote for though since it's a bit tough for me right now and The Walking Dead's new episode will be on shortly so I'll make up my mind later on.

[StickFig]

OK, maybe I missed something. Stumps can't PM anyone, but we're still allowed to receive PMs, right? So unless I'm just confused, every townie should be PMing every confirmed oak (read:stump) right now.

And I can't imagine why anyone would feel personally antagonistic with all the arrogance flying around. Almost reminds me of my last game....

[Lady K]

Okay, so I looked back and this is what I found;

Day One - Berty voted against Agnes more as a poke to get him to speak up. Then Agnes voted against Berty, which looks like a revenge vote but Berty did claim to be the Miller out of the blue. I don't know whether or not I should believe that claim since it seemed odd to claim that on Day One for no reason. I would have also thought he would have been targeted for that but no, that hasn't happened. I'm not sure what to make of that but it seems rather odd. However, I suspected Larry for quite a while because it seemed like he's defended two people - William and Bobby. It was Day One so why would you stick your neck out for two people and are unaware of what they may be? Vicky was also the first to vote against Alastair and no one has really bothered him him/her so my guess is that a vigilnate may have targeted Vicky. That's just a speculation, nothing else.

Day Two - Vicky was the first to vote against Chester. My speculation is a 50/50 here since the vigilante may have killed Vicky because the vigilante may have thought that Vicky could be trying to start a band wagon or that a Maple thought this. More speculation, again. Chester has been suspicious to a few people as well, so that should be taken into consideration, just like Larry. Agnes was the third to vote against Catarina so he could have been a random target for all we know. I still have to look and see if Vicky and Agnes have been clashing against anyone and see if there is a motive there.

I'm just not sure of who to vote for though since it's a bit tough for me right now and The Walking Dead's new episode will be on shortly so I'll make up my mind later on.

If I could vote for you for that last sentence alone I would (since some of us have to wait till tomorrow!)

Do more than just make up your mind. You haven't listed any reasons. Give reasons for your vote when you cast it.

[Tamamono]

OK, maybe I missed something. Stumps can't PM anyone, but we're still allowed to receive PMs, right? So unless I'm just confused, every townie should be PMing every confirmed oak (read:stump) right now.

I've considered this, and while it's a good idea, it's just against the spirit of the game, imo. Talk to the Elder, maybe. If it would work, that'd be good.

And I can't imagine why anyone would feel personally antagonistic with all the arrogance flying around. Almost reminds me of my last game....

Exactly. We're all friends here. I don't know why some people find it impossible to let things go and recognize when they're beating a dead horse.

[Hinckley]

Stop trying to get me to give more information away, that's really weird, not to mention, scummy.

Sorry, I didn't realize you were the only one who could ask for information. You asked questions, I asked you to clarify your suspicion of me. So, just to be clear, you trusted me to tell me something about your role, then believed me when I said Bruce has been verified and ran and claimed your role to him. Now that I've used the same method to verify me and announced that, you don't trust either one of us. I don't follow what you think the ruse is on our part and while I got a Town read on you Day One, your behavior today is suspicious.

Simon, why did you write a post full of pings you have against Bobby Beech and then turn around to vote for Larry Larch? If you wanted to vote for Larry on previous days, why didn't you?

And what do you call this from Day One?

Vote: Larry Larch (TheLazyChicken) partly because he refuses to put his damn name in his signature as has been repeatedly requested, but moreso for:

Defending two people for seemingly no reason. Specifically because you are trying to stop people for voting for other people but not offering any alternatives, reasons or votes of your own. You tell William his reasoning is off and then you say he's not helpful. Well, is he just dumb? Inexperienced? Uninformed? A Maple himself? Similarly, you defend Bobby's post-editing to Chester and again seem concerned with the argument for voting for Bruce.

I don't like Bobby or Berty's behavior either. Berty, for the reasons I've already stated and Bobby for defending him. I know Bobby says he wasn't but I think his justification has holes in it too.

Then you probably also understand that until your story makes any kind of sense, not everyone will be following you blindly.

Please point out where I've ever asked anyone to follow me. I think being investigated to be sure that even Bruce and the investigator weren't following me blindy shows that I expect that of nobody.

[Yzalirk]

If I could vote for you for that last sentence alone I would (since some of us have to wait till tomorrow!)

Do more than just make up your mind. You haven't listed any reasons. Give reasons for your vote when you cast it.

Believe me, I plan to have reasons to support my vote. Come to think of it, I think I know who I want to vote for but I want to go back and reread over the things this person has said and point of any red flags that stick out to me. But I can't miss The Walking Dead, that's something I must watch.

And Vicky, I'm certain you can read any messages you receive from trees but just not reply to them, unless the person is a stump than I don't see the problem.

Exactly. We're all friends here. I don't know why some people find it impossible to let things go and recognize when they're beating a dead horse.

I love this statement. I think it's just a competitive thing that people, naturally, don't want to give up and I'm just like that and I hope it hasn't shown too much.

[Hinckley]

The Walking Dead's new episode will be on shortly so I'll make up my mind later on.

Damn, I forgot about that. I'll have to catch it on OnDemand.

OK, maybe I missed something. Stumps can't PM anyone, but we're still allowed to receive PMs, right? So unless I'm just confused, every townie should be PMing every confirmed oak (read:stump) right now.

No, we can't PM to you. That's the entire point of the codes. And personally, the way Lauren handled the information from the first part of this day, I don't trust that sensitive information belongs even with confirmed Stumps. What happened today with the codes was a mess and potentially disastrous for the Town.

And Vicky, I'm certain you can read any messages you receive from trees but just not reply to them, unless the person is a stump than I don't see the problem.

No. We cannot PM the stumps.

[Duvors]

Beech's posts have been non-committal and evasive. He's felt the need to sycophantically concede to other opinions. Furthermore, his posts have consisted of nothing but weak little concurrences and the regurgitation of others' theories. He's using it as a utility to look active and camouflage in with the majority. Wherefore, I'll Vote: Bobby Beech (Lord Duvors)

These are the posts I really don't understand. The moment he's accused of anything he's prepared to rescind anything he's said regardless of his conviction. Albeit this situation may not be the prime embodiment of this, antecedents to this post are quoted and stated in this thread discussion.

No I am not, indeed, I'm not certain of what I am trying to do any more, and I don't really have any opinions on anything either. So ech, kill me if you want, I don't care anymore. I try to play these games but it seems I just can't.

[Lady K]

The codes are a mess, which is why I didn't participate. But one of you has anything I knew that I passed along before my chopping down, so that maybe that could be of help to the town block. The stump block can be of help too. We are Oaks, we can share info with each other in PMs. And it gives us a chance to step back and see what is and isn't happening in the thread without the threat of being lynched for what we say.

I am analyzing the voting patterns from the last two days, I'll post it when I have finished.

[Piratedave84]

Damn, I forgot about that. I'll have to catch it on OnDemand.

No, we can't PM to you. That's the entire point of the codes. And personally, the way Lauren handled the information from the first part of this day, I don't trust that sensitive information belongs even with confirmed Stumps. What happened today with the codes was a mess and potentially disastrous for the Town.

No. We cannot PM the stumps.

Ok then, we'll keep the information to ourselves and just stand here and watch you bicker over nonsense that leads you nowhere.

[Tamamono]

Ok then, we'll keep the information to ourselves and just stand here and watch you bicker over nonsense that leads you nowhere.

Awesome, thanks. Finally we can stop outing vanillas and start lynching scum now!

[Piratedave84]

Awesome, thanks. Finally we can stop outing vanillas and start lynching scum now!

You've been doing so good! Please go right ahead!

[Lady K]

Lassie..... Maggie........are you two still with us?

[JackJonespaw]

You've been doing so good! Please go right ahead!

Ouch. But you does bring up a decent point - what exactly are we supposed to do with all of this information? None of the codes reveal allegiances (as, obviously, no one would be dumb enough to do), and we're not stupid enough to go around shouting out roles...so...

What do we do?

Eh, maybe we should just forget about the codes for now and just pretend that this is a good ol' normal game of Mafia.

[Yzalirk]

No. We cannot PM the stumps.

So would saying that whatever the stump receives from the tree, if at all, should just be considered void? I'm sure someone may have sent a stump a message simply because of the question.

[jimmynick]

Eh, maybe we should just forget about the codes for now and just pretend that this is a good ol' normal game of Mafia.

A good ol' normal game of mafia where we have stumps who can read with their eyes and contribute with their mouths but choose not to.

[jluck]

A good ol' normal game of mafia where we have stumps who can read with their eyes and contribute with their mouths but choose not to.

Fair point. Look, the stumps are a huge advantage, so we've gotta take advantage of it. If we go with the codes, we gotta go all in. That means everyone needs to share with the stumps. If only a few people don't, then the whole system is broken. Also, we need to pursue this janitored/not janitored situation. Was the day one lynch scum? If so, that's huge! I think it's an issue that needs to be revisited. There's unanswered questions that could really be useful to have answers to.