Tamamono Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Then what do we make of Alastair, since he was plucked rather than blown up? Some 3rd party, or just being a smaller tree, no dynamite was needed? This puzzles me too. It's also possible that he was the godfather, or a usurper or something. Those who wouldn't vote for Hazel or Peter are a great start though, since we don't know for sure on Alastair. But don't forget Barry hammered Alastair. That's true - maybe he was some sort of third.
Hinckley Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Then what do we make of Alastair, since he was plucked rather than blown up? Some 3rd party, or just being a smaller tree, no dynamite was needed? Probably because he was a sapling. I think that part is just story. No need to dynamite a sapling.
Zepher Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 What a lovely day to be a stump in this lovely forest! Down with the Maples! Simon, you owe me. Catch the last few! Chester, sorry, turns out you're Oaky, just like me. I think 2-3 Maples is a safe guess. It depends on if we think the SK is still around or not - we have 4 felled unconfirmed, which means either 4 maples and an active SK, or 3 maples and a dead SK.
Hinckley Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Spies or traitors don't always know the rest of the Scum. Simon, you owe me. Sorry.
Zepher Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 It's alright! At least since I was an Oak I still get to enjoy this lovely sun as a stump! Let me get caught up on what all the stumps are chatting about, and then I'll see if I can use my brains to try to catch some Maples!
Dragonfire Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Let all those who doubted me rue this day! Told you guys so! As for the night kills, Chester being the bomb makes sense, although the "steel spikes" tree could also have been Sammy (but that is unlikely) Whoa whoa whoa. How the hell was Berty Town?? :wall: All I can say is told you so! Peter was apparently Scum. I think this is likely. Back to the serial killer - assuming we have one, why no kill night 1 and 2? That just doesn't make sense for a SK to skip two nights of kills! So I'm thinking they MUST have a special win condition. The alternative explanation would be that they were prevented two nights in a row and not since - so they were blocked one night and target was protected the other night? Or they targeted the same person as the vig one night? Ditto for matching the scum target? I guess that's possible, but it sure doesn't seem likely to have been prevented two nights in a row at the beginning of the game when there were so many trees still around. I doubt we have a SK. If I was going to read ANYTHING into it, I'd say Chester was a bomb and Peter was the scum killer, but I still don't think the images are supposed to hint anything. This.
fhomess Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Ok, thanks. Now that we've got clarification from Alder and you, I see why you said the image had meaning. Aka, now there's proof :) So I went and checked day 4 - all four trees that day were just cut down, no flying chainsaws or anything. So I assume that means there was not a bomb or pgo or something that night, which backs up the assertion that the IS a SK in the game. I still find it odd if there was an SK that could kill regularly and we only have 1 night where it looks like both the SK and maples killed someone. We now have 3 nights in which that was the case, including last night.
Fugazi Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Whoa, that was unexpected. I need to reconsider my theories, though with Peter's death there's plenty of new information to digest. This forest is crazy.
fhomess Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 The remaining living trees that voted for Alastair on day 1 are Bruce (2nd), Sue (10th), Simon (11th), and Adelaide (14th). Everyone else has been revealed as Oak or is Barry who is presumed to be Maple. The remaining living trees that voted for Peter on Day 4 are Sue and Adelaide, although Sue switched to Hazel at Simon's request late in the day to seal the lynch. In looking at the votes for Hazel on Day 4, now that we know both Hazel and Peter were maples, I have to wonder about Sammy's role in the voting. Sammy called out Berty earlier in the day for defending Peter, but was also instrumental in ensuring that the lynch went to Hazel rather than Peter. The goal seems to have been to bus Hazel to put Peter in the clear and set up Berty for a lynch yesterday. Had Peter not been killed by the bomb, then perhaps that connection doesn't get made.
Dragonfire Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Since I wasn't janitored, I do think it is likely that Maples' alignments are hidden upon death. I still find it odd if there was an SK that could kill regularly and we only have 1 night where it looks like both the SK and maples killed someone. We now have 3 nights in which that was the case, including last night. After some discussion with the other stumps, I am fairly sure that a SK does exist. The remaining living trees that voted for Alastair on day 1 are Bruce (2nd), Sue (10th), Simon (11th), and Adelaide (14th). Everyone else has been revealed as Oak or is Barry who is presumed to be Maple. The remaining living trees that voted for Peter on Day 4 are Sue and Adelaide, although Sue switched to Hazel at Simon's request late in the day to seal the lynch. In looking at the votes for Hazel on Day 4, now that we know both Hazel and Peter were maples, I have to wonder about Sammy's role in the voting. Sammy called out Berty earlier in the day for defending Peter, but was also instrumental in ensuring that the lynch went to Hazel rather than Peter. The goal seems to have been to bus Hazel to put Peter in the clear and set up Berty for a lynch yesterday. Had Peter not been killed by the bomb, then perhaps that connection doesn't get made. I agree with your explanation of the Day Four voting. Assuming Peter and Hazel were both scum, Hazel would have made a better bus option than Peter, and there was also an opportunity to set up my lynch. I never defended Peter- you must mean Hazel. And it is my belief that we have one Maple and one SK remaining among us. I would suggest looking at Adelaide, Sue and Sammy. Simon, do you want to transfer information to me via the PM codes, or should I transfer information to you?
Hinckley Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 although the "steel spikes" tree could also have been Sammy (but that is unlikely) What? All I can say is told you so! Given the same set of circumstances I would lynch you every time. You were the Scummiest Miller ever. Simon, do you want to transfer information to me via the PM codes, or should I transfer information to you? I should transfer to you so you can verify what I've told Waldorf. I need some time to decipher. Then I'll confirm back everything I've learned. Funny enough, Peter never claimed to me.
fhomess Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I never defended Peter- you must mean Hazel. Thanks, I stand corrected. Regardless, the point about Sammy's behavior is valid.
Dragonfire Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 What? Given the same set of circumstances I would lynch you every time. You were the Scummiest Miller ever. I should transfer to you so you can verify what I've told Waldorf. I need some time to decipher. Then I'll confirm back everything I've learned. Funny enough, Peter never claimed to me. I was just remarking that the tree in the picture looked like both Sammy and Chester. Rereading this again, it was definitely Chester.
Dragonfire Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I am fairly sure that at least one of the "janitored" players was an Oak whose stump was removed by the Scum. Please don't ask why or how I think this. I would suggest looking into all the players who are opposed to the existence of a janitor. In other words, there probably is both a janitor and a Serial Killer. There are two or three Maples left. Sorry for the double post btw)
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Who was supposedly an Oak, Berty? N1 6196 & Conrade n4913 N2 6196 & Conrade n4861 N3 6196 & Conrade n4636 (SWZM to n4209) N4 6196 & Conrade n1915 (SWZM to n4209) I know that role. Makes perfect sense now. Albeit a bit frustrating. So, Waldorf, n4861?
Scubacarrot Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 With only eight people alive, and I can't imagine there being four or less maples, we can now be 100% sure the people that are gone are maples. I say there's probably one or two scum left. I say we lynch either Sue or Jack today. Focus, as in trying to figure out WHAT IS GOING ON? Yeah, that's strange for an oak to want to discuss things to see what others are thinking and scumhunt that way. Yes, code is a good thing. Except then you ahve Waldorf replying that maybe there's a second one, and things like that. And it's day 6 with just 8 of us left. Odds are pretty high that it ends tonight, so why not just lay the cards out now? And just how do you KNOW there's meaning? Because you want there to be? Or do you have some of that stuff, what's it called again, oh yeah. PROOF? This is amazingly scummy. There's eight people left. One or two being scum. The fact that townies can work together with scums gives the town an amazing advantage. Laying out "all cards" in the open would be very unhelpful in narrowing down how to catch the final (one or two?) scum. I am fairly sure that at least one of the "janitored" players was an Oak whose stump was removed by the Scum. Please don't ask why or how I think this. Why not? Is that just your feeling or what? Because it seems kind of like information that is important.
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Why not? Is that just your feeling or what? Because it seems kind of like information that is important. I have the feeling this may be why we were scolded by our elder tree. Berty, if a living player PMed you that a dead player was Oak, I think it's safe to say that person would be a Maple. If so, I wonder if the rules permit you to tell us who would try to manipulate a stump. I think it would be a nice example of karma... Waldorf? Bruce? You guys around?
Scubacarrot Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I have the feeling this may be why we were scolded by our elder tree. Right. So a non-stump dead someone said something to Berty implying or stating they are town. Deductive reasoning, yo. I could see a scum trying to contact a living player or a scum to say just that, perhaps if they're salty about the stump-advantage. Even if there's a town unstumped person, I don't think it should necessarily affect our actions today. There MIGHT be one more scum than we figured. If there were 6 scum or five scum and a serial killer, that could actually be quite dangerous... Hm.
Tamamono Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Berty, if some blown up stump came to you from beyond the dead to claim Oak, why are you believing them? They're alignment unknown, after all. They can pull whatever kind of wacky shit they want. I think "all scum are removed" is a fair assumption.
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 There MIGHT be one more scum than we figured. If there were 6 scum or five scum and a serial killer, that could actually be quite dangerous... Hm. 4 Town, 3 Scum, 1 Serial Killer would mean we are one mislynch away from losing. We need to be really careful today.
mostlytechnic Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 This is amazingly scummy. There's eight people left. One or two being scum. The fact that townies can work together with scums gives the town an amazing advantage. Laying out "all cards" in the open would be very unhelpful in narrowing down how to catch the final (one or two?) scum. Oh, you mean asking for clarification when two trees are not just simply using codes, but talking in partial code / partial words so that people are trying to figure out what they're saying? And right in the midst of all the confusion over un-named trees, 4 dead, meaning to the images, etc (note that the info that Chester was a bomb was shared AFTER I threw out this idea, despite it being in Simon's post just before mine)... If I was scum, do you think I'd be stupid enough to blatantly suggest this? No. And since a little info came out that clarified a TON of things, I dropped it. got any other reason to lynch me, or were you just scummily trying to start what you hoped would be an easy bandwagon? (and I assume you meant townies working together with stumps, not scum... )
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Oh, you mean asking for clarification when two trees are not just simply using codes, but talking in partial code / partial words so that people are trying to figure out what they're saying? I don't think anyone else was trying to figure it out. If I saw two people talking in codes, since a huge portion of this game has revolved around creating these codes and discussing how they can be used, I would ignore it...unless I was nervous they were talking about me. We were talking about you anyway. got any other reason to lynch me, or were you just scummily trying to start what you hoped would be an easy bandwagon? This may not be a reason to lynch you, but it is a fact that you were blocked on Night Two. With two investigators, a Miller and stumps, it stands to reason that there's a Godfather, doesn't it?
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 In regards to questions about a Serial Killer who didn't kill on Days One and Two, he did. I lied again. Sorry. The vig was blocked by the Town on Night One. We didn't know why the kill didn't go through. He/she had actually targeted Larry. We didn't know if the vig was blocked or Larry protected. If the Scum blocked the vig, announcing he/she had been blocked would clue the Scum into the vig's identity. We said he targeted Buck to try and see if anyone reacted to the lie. Not like anyone would say "No he didn't, I did!" But, we thought we'd try and see if anybody slipped up when talking about who targeted who. That being said, we have no way of knowing which target was Scum and which was SK. They're both weird Scum targets. But, the Scum may have known that their targets would be stumped and may not be choosing typical targets since stumping someone also verifies them. The Scum killer is a trusted-Townie-making-machine. On Night Two, the vig killed Agnes. On Night Three, the vig killed Bobby. On Night Four, the vig stayed home. (I hope that the Scum blocked Chester and when I said "the vig didn't kill" they assumed he was the vig and that's why they targeted him. I hope!! ) On Night Five, the vig killed Nash. All of that is true.
mostlytechnic Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I don't think anyone else was trying to figure it out. If I saw two people talking in codes, since a huge portion of this game has revolved around creating these codes and discussing how they can be used, I would ignore it...unless I was nervous they were talking about me. We were talking about you anyway. This may not be a reason to lynch you, but it is a fact that you were blocked on Night Two. With two investigators, a Miller and stumps, it stands to reason that there's a Godfather, doesn't it? Well, to be clear, no one else was around (at least not posting) - it was you, me, and Waldorf as the only posts for quite a stretch there. And yep, I have ignored posts with codes for DAYS - when they were just codes. But when Waldorf says something in code, you do a row of headbanging, and he replies with "But maybe there's another one? We did have two cops, after all. " yep my curiosity gets going. I'd assume it'd get anyone else going too if they'd been around. So you blocked me, and I note that you listed the vig failed night 1 so there was an SK kill, but the vig succeeded night 2 so you're thinking I'm the SK? Sorry, nope. Anyone with two brain cells rubbing together knows I claimed vanilla via the codes. True then and true now. Nothing I can do to prove that except return as a stump after my death - but we can't afford a mislynch at this stage of the game. If it was an earlier day I'd seriously consider sacrificing myself to prove it and return as a stump to help, but not now. We can't afford to waste another Oak life now. Or are you suggesting I'm a godfather? That would suggest you investigated me, and nothing was ever said to that effect, and you DID give most of the investigators' results before they died, since they mostly cleared you and Bruce and each other... so I don't see that as likely. But yes, I always assume there's a godfather, and with that much investigating going on (and the odds of them getting connected SO SOON is so remote, so if I were hosting I wouldn't expect their time to be spent proving they are both legit) I wouldn't be surprised if there was a framer or something as well.
Hinckley Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 So you blocked me, and I note that you listed the vig failed night 1 so there was an SK kill, but the vig succeeded night 2 so you're thinking I'm the SK? Sorry, nope. Anyone with two brain cells rubbing together knows I claimed vanilla via the codes. True then and true now. Nothing I can do to prove that except return as a stump after my death - but we can't afford a mislynch at this stage of the game. If it was an earlier day I'd seriously consider sacrificing myself to prove it and return as a stump to help, but not now. We can't afford to waste another Oak life now. Oh, you claimed vanilla. That settles that. Why would I not think you're Scum if you were blocked on Night Two? Why are you so sure the Scum killed Vickory Dickory Dockory Clock? Or are you suggesting I'm a godfather? No.
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