Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 How about n764 SUXT n7019 Claudio for n4774? I love that I didn't even need to look that up. I'm memorizing the code. So, I think n7019 already n4774 TRGT. XESA BKFR? Because n136 RIVM to n139: n136 n4209 and n139 n3372 so let's teach the World to sing n136 to n4244: n136 n3372, we n4774 n6609. ...what the hell is happening???? if n139 no SUXA n136 n4209 or n4244 no SUXT n136 n3372, then... everybody is megablocking Scum here? This has to mean something. Help me clear it up? Should I tell all of this to n3610? I feel like the only spectator in the most hilarious play ever. I'd like to discuss it in full English with someone. Because my interpretation: n136 XESA is for n7019 not for n139 and n4244.
fhomess Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Claiming SK in private to avoid a lynch? That's not scummy at all...
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 You reminded me that you knew of our plan to verify Waldorf wasn't naive, we believed he was Town since Clem had cleared him and was a stump. I never agreed Waldorf was killed by the SK. While I don't know for sure, it makes more sense that your team the Scum killed him. You do not seem like an Oak to me at all Why would a scum that's just been cleared by a naive investigator insist that said investigator should be verified? And suggest the means to do it? If I knew who the investigator was, and meant to kill them the following night, then there was no need for me to raise flags about their possible naivety. It just doesn't add up, but sometimes scumminess is in the eye of the beholder.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Why would a scum that's just been cleared by a naive investigator insist that said investigator should be verified? And suggest the means to do it? If I knew who the investigator was, and meant to kill them the following night, then there was no need for me to raise flags about their possible naivety. It just doesn't add up, but sometimes scumminess is in the eye of the beholder. Because if you were going to kill him anyway, you had nothing to lose and the potential to build trust with me. If the Scum had a role cop then Lauren's daving was even worse. It would've given you a small pool to investigate and to kill. Freakin Lauren... Now n3610 SUXT n136 XESA!!
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Because if you were going to kill him anyway, you had nothing to lose and the potential to build trust with me. If the Scum had a role cop then Lauren's daving was even worse. It would've given you a small pool to investigate and to kill. Freakin Lauren... But from a Maple perspective, it would have made more sense to kill the means to verify a naive investigator (the miller), rather than the investigator himself. A naive investigator that can't be verified is more valuable to scum alive. So had I been scum I would have had Berty killed, not Waldorf. Kinda proves that scum didn't know what kind of investigator they were killing. Now n3610 SUXT n136 XESA!! Your face is a SUXT.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 But from a Maple perspective, it would have made more sense to kill the means to verify a naive investigator (the miller), rather than the investigator himself. A naive investigator that can't be verified is more valuable to scum alive. So had I been scum I would have had Berty killed, not Waldorf. Kinda proves that scum didn't know what kind of investigator they were killing. But why when everyone was having so much fun manipulating the means (the miller, Berty, etc.) He brought Barry's megablocks to Bruce, he parroted Hazel who may or may not have been Scum, why kill him when he was so valuable? He made an awesome mislynch, too. And maybe Waldorf is not naive. Maybe you are the Godfather or you got a lucky frame. If he could catch your buddies or investigate you again, I'm sure the best move would be to kill the Miller. You really want us to believe he was naive for some reason. You love the idea so much you're going to marry it! Your face is a SUXT. No, you.
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 But why when everyone was having so much fun manipulating the means (the miller, Berty, etc.) He brought Barry's megablocks to Bruce, he parroted Hazel who may or may not have been Scum, why kill him when he was so valuable? He made an awesome mislynch, too. And maybe Waldorf is not naive. Maybe you are the Godfather or you got a lucky frame. If he could catch your buddies or investigate you again, I'm sure the best move would be to kill the Miller. You really want us to believe he was naive for some reason. You love the idea so much you're going to marry it! No, I want you to think that it's very unlikely that he was naive, unlikely that I am the Godfather and unlikely that I was framed on that precise night. And what are you going to do about Adelaide's new claim?
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 No, I want you to think that it's very unlikely that he was naive, unlikely that I am the Godfather and unlikely that I was framed on that precise night. And what are you going to do about Adelaide's new claim? What new claim? And why do I have to do everything? What are you going to do about it? Well I certainly hope that there's only one Maple left and that it's Adelaide, because I get the feeling that Simon will attempt to have me vig-killed tonight. Unfortunately, Adelaide just privately tried to make me switch my vote, claiming that she's only the SK. She might actually be the SK, in which case if she's lynched and I'm vig-killed the remaining scum will have their victory served on a silver platter. I'm more of the opinion that she's scum trying to wriggle their way out of this lynch by any possible means. Picture this: she's scum claiming SK, asks for my help pretending to think I'm scum, knowing well that I'm Oak and will go public with her message. However, that could seed enough doubt into everyone's mind that she might actually be the SK, therefore making us switch votes. Well I don't believe she's actually the SK, but it's up to all of you to decide. Oh this? Hang on, I'll read it. Well I certainly hope that there's only one Maple left and that it's Adelaide, because I get the feeling that Simon will attempt to have me vig-killed tonight. I think the vig should stay home tonight. I never would've imagined a game with five players being so difficult to cinch up. Unfortunately, Adelaide just privately tried to make me switch my vote, claiming that she's only the SK. She might actually be the SK, in which case if she's lynched and I'm vig-killed the remaining scum will have their victory served on a silver platter. I'm more of the opinion that she's scum trying to wriggle their way out of this lynch by any possible means. Picture this: she's scum claiming SK, asks for my help pretending to think I'm scum, knowing well that I'm Oak and will go public with her message. However, that could seed enough doubt into everyone's mind that she might actually be the SK, therefore making us switch votes. Well I don't believe she's actually the SK, but it's up to all of you to decide. I've had so much WIFOM I threw up. Did you say anything in return or did you put your Super-Oak cape on and fly right to our rescue? Stumps!!! What do you think of this new revelation?
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Did you say anything in return or did you put your Super-Oak cape on and fly right to our rescue? She potatoed the wrong Oak, there was nothing in her offer for me. Who knows, maybe she actually believed that I was the last scum standing? In that case, I'll just forward the message to Sue.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 She potatoed the wrong Oak, there was nothing in her offer for me. Who knows, maybe she actually believed that I was the last scum standing? In that case, I'll just forward the message to Sue. Weren't you curious what her targets were? What her win conditions are? You seem to fully believe her. What if she's Scum trying one last gambit to avoid the lynch. I would imagine you would draw her out and see how she responded, unless you're somehow sure she isn't Scum. Did you and Adelaide forget that when you scripted this? Act One: stage a fake claim that Adelaide is the Serial Killer. Act Two: Have Sammy do the "Townie thing" and reveal her treachery. I need to start buying popcorn before I play this game. Did you switch your vote to Sue yet?
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yes she gave some details... but you're so aggravating that you don't deserve to know more. It wouldn't change anything to your tunnel vision. I hope that Adelaide is the last scum, because .
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Well I certainly hope that there's only one Maple left and that it's Adelaide, because I get the feeling that Simon will attempt to have me vig-killed tonight. Unfortunately, Adelaide just privately tried to make me switch my vote, claiming that she's only the SK. She might actually be the SK, in which case if she's lynched and I'm vig-killed the remaining scum will have their victory served on a silver platter. I'm more of the opinion that she's scum trying to wriggle their way out of this lynch by any possible means. Picture this: she's scum claiming SK, asks for my help pretending to think I'm scum, knowing well that I'm Oak and will go public with her message. However, that could seed enough doubt into everyone's mind that she might actually be the SK, therefore making us switch votes. Well I don't believe she's actually the SK, but it's up to all of you to decide. I do stand corrected. You do say you think she's the last Scum. The "unfortunately" and "only" are making my skin crawl a little. Oh yes she gave some details... I just imagine Sammy the Oak asking for as many details as she could give before you went forward with any sort of opinion. Now that she's outed, you've lost the chance for her to feel safe and slip up more.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 n136 PVMG n139 but no SUXT n4209 Not sure what n136 SUXT then, as what XETA?? Stumps? Hello? Thoughts?
jimmynick Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Pump n139 for information? This all sounds very suspect.
fhomess Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yes she gave some details... but you're so aggravating that you don't deserve to know more. It wouldn't change anything to your tunnel vision. I hope that Adelaide is the last scum, because . That's not really a very helpful attitude to have. I can understand why you're frustrated with Simon, but it doesn't help us know more. You said yourself that you didn't believe Adelaide is the SK and is the last scum and now you're saying she gave details. The fact that you've shared it here suggests that you don't think those details are relevant enough to convince you to change your vote, but you're essentially asking us to consider switching without them. What's your motivation for sharing partial information and presenting us with a conclusion we've already committed our votes to if not to sow doubt?
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 I do stand corrected. You do say you think she's the last Scum. The "unfortunately" and "only" are making my skin crawl a little. "Unfortunately" and "only" because as I had mentioned before, lynching the SK is not good enough. I just imagine Sammy the Oak asking for as many details as she could give before you went forward with any sort of opinion. Now that she's outed, you've lost the chance for her to feel safe and slip up more. You don't understand my position. In order to avoid the lynch, she obviously needed more than my unvote. She had to convince someone else to unvote as well. What is the best way to achieve that? Find a way to incriminate me and have the whole town switch their votes. Had I shown too much interest in her scheme, I'm sure she wouldn't have hesitated to go public with it. She didn't need my unvote, she needed all of yours. Adelaide did mention she might be able to make Simon switch, and if I had changed my vote I'm pretty sure how that would have been perceived by the rest of the forest. That's not really a very helpful attitude to have. I can understand why you're frustrated with Simon, but it doesn't help us know more. You said yourself that you didn't believe Adelaide is the SK and is the last scum and now you're saying she gave details. The fact that you've shared it here suggests that you don't think those details are relevant enough to convince you to change your vote, but you're essentially asking us to consider switching without them. What's your motivation for sharing partial information and presenting us with a conclusion we've already committed our votes to if not to sow doubt? Anyone can make up winning conditions, and if Adelaide says she wins if she's among the last three players standing and that she can win alongside town or scum doesn't mean it's true. If you want lies, go and ask Adelaide. I think it's obvious enough why I came out with the information. It isn't up to me to drill Adelaide for details and decide whether she's saying the truth. I gave you my opinion, the rest is up to you. For some reason the stumps seem to think that Sue is the SK, so they might be able to figure out who's the real SK between her and Adelaide.
MagPiesRUs Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Based on the behaviour of Simon and the Stumps, I'm willing to believe that Lassie is confirmed in some way. That means we still have three oaks left and two non-oaks: Sammy and Sue. Due to the investigator result on Sammy, I find it hard to believe she is the SK. Despite clearly following along with the conversation, Sue has avoided speaking her mind on the recent events. This suggests to me that she's the real SK trying not to tip her hand in light of Sammy's revelation. For that reason, I believe that Sammy is a maple... Unvote: Sue Sumac (Bob) Vote: Sammy Sycamore (Fugazi) Why would a scum that's just been cleared by a naive investigator insist that said investigator should be verified? And suggest the means to do it? If I knew who the investigator was, and meant to kill them the following night, then there was no need for me to raise flags about their possible naivety. It just doesn't add up, but sometimes scumminess is in the eye of the beholder. I'm curious, what makes you think the investigator who targeted you was naive? As opposed to the other investigator? As far as I'm aware, both investigators only returned with "oak" results.
Walter Kovacs Posted March 3, 2015 Author Posted March 3, 2015 Voting Update: Addelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs) - 4 (Bob, fhomess, Hinckley, Fugazi) Sammy Sycamore (Fugazi) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs) There are 8 Hours, 30 Minutes left in Day 7. It takes 3 votes to lynch.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 I'm having trouble accepting this at face value. Adelaide planned a sting to try to suds out Sammy and Sue. She was suspecting Sue of being Scum yet opted not to pursue that to concentrate on Sammy. Why? Her first reaction to me in private was that Sammy responded the war he thought any Oak would. But then considered that I was right about the timing. I have more thought about this strange event but I'm on the train and afraid I'll lose my signal. So, Adelaide accuses Sue all morning and votes for her. Then, when she realizes the collective conscience of the stumps is that Sue is SK and if there's another Scum, it's Sammy, he plans the sting operation. Considering their reactions, the sting seemed planned. Sammy's reaction is to run to the rescue which I've already analyzed as part of the whole production. His response is not Oaky to me at all. He says he's worried she would tell us he was interested and tell us and get him lynched. Vanilla townies need to be willing to take risks. His focus on his own neck is further suspect. And I trust Lassie most of anyone non-stumped but why does Adelaide? If he was a Townie trying to figure out the last Scum wouldn't he cover all bases? Again, if his main suspicion was Sue, why focus on Sammy? I know not everyone can have the tunnel vision I have, but it still pings me. Not because he changed his mind but because of our lack of seeing the thought process. Lastly, he has ominously told me that I need to use the vig kill tonight or "we" will lose. Then he fished for the existence of a protector or blocker. :screptic: Screptic...
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 If it is a performance, Adelaide's last response in PM is her best acting yet. Why do we play these games? It can be really taxing...
Walter Kovacs Posted March 3, 2015 Author Posted March 3, 2015 Voting Update: Addelaide Apple (TinyPiesRUs) - 4 (Bob, fhomess, Hinckley, Fugazi) Sammy Sycamore (Fugazi) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs) There are 6 Hours left in Day 7. It takes 3 votes to lynch.
fhomess Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 I don't like the whole sting idea and Adelaide changing her vote from Sue to Sammy doesn't appear to be based at all on Sammy's response so much as continued analysis of other people's behavior. I feel like she's just trying to capitalize on the distrust between Simon and Sammy. It's clear that Adelaide is doing what she can to avoid her lynch, but it's not at all clear that she's really got an Oak mindset in the process. She doesn't even address the notion that it was a sting in her comments, leaving that up to Simon to share with everyone.
Fugazi Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 I'm curious, what makes you think the investigator who targeted you was naive? As opposed to the other investigator? As far as I'm aware, both investigators only returned with "oak" results. I did mention that both may have been naive, or only the other one, but what flavor the other one (Clem) was is inconsequential now since all the players he investigated are dead. But since everybody thinks I'm a scum who evaded Waldorf's investigation, I had to explore the idea. I'm having trouble accepting this at face value. Adelaide planned a sting to try to suds out Sammy and Sue. She was suspecting Sue of being Scum yet opted not to pursue that to concentrate on Sammy. Why? Her first reaction to me in private was that Sammy responded the war he thought any Oak would. But then considered that I was right about the timing. I have more thought about this strange event but I'm on the train and afraid I'll lose my signal. What timing? So, Adelaide accuses Sue all morning and votes for her. Then, when she realizes the collective conscience of the stumps is that Sue is SK and if there's another Scum, it's Sammy, he plans the sting operation. Considering their reactions, the sting seemed planned. Sammy's reaction is to run to the rescue which I've already analyzed as part of the whole production. His response is not Oaky to me at all. He says he's worried she would tell us he was interested and tell us and get him lynched. Vanilla townies need to be willing to take risks. His focus on his own neck is further suspect. Are you real? At this point, I'm certainly concerned about my own skin because the game it at stake. If we lynch an Oak today we will probably all be dead tomorrow. We don't have the luxury of sacrificing me in order to test your paranoid suspicions.
Hinckley Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 She doesn't even address the notion that it was a sting in her comments, leaving that up to Simon to share with everyone. I meant to point that out as well. I would expect a certain reaction from Sammy about that too though I haven't had time to check if he's logged in yet or not. I'm so glad we cross-posted. You registered exactly zero surprise that Adelaide was planning a sting and is supposedly not the SK. I think that's the final nail in your coffin, buddy. Sorry. I still love you! What timing? Yours. Going straight to the thread instead of trying to find out more information. Are you real? At this point, I'm certainly concerned about my own skin because the game it at stake. If we lynch an Oak today we will probably all be dead tomorrow. We don't have the luxury of sacrificing me in order to test your paranoid suspicions. You sound like Jack. I don't want to risk a no-lynch so I'm inclined to leave the vote where it is and lynch Sammy tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow. That "I'm so glad we cross-posted" is directed at Sammy.
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