Unrest in the Forest - Day 7: Permanent Waves

[Hinckley]

That's kind of like a subtle defence of Jack, disguised as a misunderstanding.

It wasn't so much a defense of Jack as it was for her not voting. She quoted the post to me after the day ended.

That's offensive. I've been active and helped the town as a stump - and I posted my vote analysis tables

Sorry, you're new. I forgot you were being helpful. No offense meant.

Of course you would want the town to think that he was scum. Maples want us to underestimate the number of surviving scum, and to believe that the SK still exists.

Isn't that what Hazel was potentially doing by breaking the rules and contacting you?

I think the Maples have a role cop. What else could explain the deaths of both investigators one after the other?

Don't forget that Lauren blabbed a list of vanillas, narrowing down their targets. Their night kills have been like shooting fish in a barrel because the really helpful codes were daved almost immediately.

Are we sure that the Maples get a list of everyone who is going to die, every night, and can choose who to janitor?

Yes. Barry's actions prove that. He said he was going to target Clem or Bobby, the two other people who were killed that night.

On the other site I played on, the janitor could only janitor the scum kill or the lynchee.

If you love that other site so much, why don't you marry it?

*** What did the SK do on N5 ?? Same question.

Killed Maggie or less likely Chester. As someone said before, the only reason they would've used the janitor action on a Serial Killer Peter was if the Scum were working with him. But the vig stayed home that night.

Peter hitting the bomb probably foiled their plans to use the janitor on you and make us think you were Scum.

[Dragonfire]

Sorry, you're new. I forgot you were being helpful. No offense meant.

None taken.

Isn't that what Hazel was potentially doing by breaking the rules and contacting you?

No- it was the opposite. Hazel claimed that she was an Oak who had been janitored, therefore leading me to believe that not all the missing stumps were Maples. A Maple would want to deny the existence of a janitor and push for the "Maples' alignments aren't revealed" idea.

Killed Maggie or less likely Chester. As someone said before, the only reason they would've used the janitor action on a Serial Killer Peter was if the Scum were working with him. But the vig stayed home that night.

Peter hitting the bomb probably foiled their plans to use the janitor on you and make us think you were Scum.

Maggie died on Night Four. The vig stayed home on Night Four. I'm talking about Night Five, when the vig killed Nash.

I'm starting to think that Peter wasn't the SK and that a) the SK is still alive, and b) some people are trying to manipulate us into thinking that it was Peter.

[Hinckley]

Maggie died on Night Four. The vig stayed home on Night Four. I'm talking about Night Five, when the vig killed Nash.

Oh, right. The days are blending together.

I'm starting to think that Peter wasn't the SK and that a) the SK is still alive, and b) some people are trying to manipulate us into thinking that it was Peter.

Who's doing that?

[Bob]

Barry was clearly not the SK. Peter could have been. But the more pressing issue is, could there be a SK and a Maple left alive? Worse yet, a SK and two Maples?

I don't think that there's two Maples and a neutral left, because if that were the case then the game would likely be over. The town would be outnumbered by the non-towns and would have no way to win unless the neutral went with the town. Therefore, I think it's likely that there's either a neutral and a maple left or two maples and no neutral.

[Lady K]

As I said, it doesn't make sense from a Maple point of view.

That's kind of like a subtle defence of Jack, disguised as a misunderstanding.

So you think Barry and Peter were Oaks ??

That's offensive. I've been active and helped the town as a stump - and I posted my vote analysis tables

Day One up to Hazel's selfvote : I thought Hazel was scummy.

End of Day Four : I thought Hazel was town

Day Five : I wasn't sure about Hazel's alignment, but I pushed for town-Hazel to avoid looking flip-floppy.

Day Six : Following Hazel's rule-breaking PM to me, I was convinced she was town.

I agree. Three remaining scum could have guaranteed a no-lynch, especially when you (an Oak) voted for someone other than Jack.

I really agree that it's likely to be just Adelaide, or Adelaide and Lassie/Sammy (but this is less likely).

This is why I agree. Hazel seemed like a decent person, and not the kind of person who would do this as scum.

Of course you would want the town to think that he was scum. Maples want us to underestimate the number of surviving scum, and to believe that the SK still exists. Tell me, Adelaide, why would the SK not kill on Night Five or Night Six ??

If you think the SK is still alive, who do you think they are?

But you didn't hammer him when a hammer was needed....

I think the Maples have a role cop. What else could explain the deaths of both investigators one after the other? One of them could have been a lucky guess, but both of them is pushing it. They could have also role-copped Peter and found out that he was the SK.

Are we sure that the Maples get a list of everyone who is going to die, every night, and can choose who to janitor? On the other site I played on, the janitor could only janitor the scum kill or the lynchee.

Yes, I agree.

Yes, I think this makes sense from a Scum perspective.

Scenario 1: Peter was the SK, Barry was Scum.

N1: Vig is blocked, Peter kills Buck, Jack (I assume) kills Lauren

N2: Vig kills Agnes, Peter kills Vicky, Jack is blocked

N3: Vig kills Bobby, Peter kills Barry, Jack kills Clem

N4: Vig kills no-one, Peter kills Maggie, Jack kills Waldorf

N5: Vig kills Nash, Peter kills Chester, Chester passively kills Peter ***

N6: Vig kills William, Scum kills Bruce

*** What did scum do on N5 ?? Were they blocked? Was the target protected?

Scenario 2: Peter and Barry were both Scum

For this scenario to be true, the scum must have been able to switch the kill action between them

N1: Vig is blocked, SK kills Buck, Scum kill Lauren

N2: Vig kills Agnes, SK kills Vicky, Jack is blocked

N3: Vig kills Bobby, SK kills Barry, Scum kill Clem

N4: Vig kills no-one, SK kills Maggie, Scum kill Waldorf

N5: Vig kills Nash, Peter kills Chester, Chester passively kills Peter ***

N6: Vig kills William, Bruce is killed.

*** What did the SK do on N5 ?? Same question.

If this scenario is true, then the SK could still be alive. The SK could have limited kill shots and could have either chosen not to or been unable to kill on N5 and N6. Unless the SK did kill Bruce, and it was the Maples who were blocked.

Barry was clearly not the SK. Peter could have been. But the more pressing issue is, could there be a SK and a Maple left alive? Worse yet, a SK and two Maples?

I believe Barry and Peter are both maples. My post referred to the voting patterns of the trees left on majority lynches. The bottom portion is looking at Sue, which I state clearly, and Sue didn't vote for Barry or Peter on a majority lynch, so there was no need to state Barry or Peter being maples.

None taken.

No- it was the opposite. Hazel claimed that she was an Oak who had been janitored, therefore leading me to believe that not all the missing stumps were Maples. A Maple would want to deny the existence of a janitor and push for the "Maples' alignments aren't revealed" idea.

Maggie died on Night Four. The vig stayed home on Night Four. I'm talking about Night Five, when the vig killed Nash.

I'm starting to think that Peter wasn't the SK and that a) the SK is still alive, and b) some people are trying to manipulate us into thinking that it was Peter.

Why do you think the SK is still alive? And I believe Peter was the SK, but it is entirely possible that I am wrong. This is my opinion but I don't see anyone manipulating anyone into this same idea.

[Hinckley]

I don't think that there's two Maples and a neutral left, because if that were the case then the game would likely be over. The town would be outnumbered by the non-towns and would have no way to win unless the neutral went with the town. Therefore, I think it's likely that there's either a neutral and a maple left or two maples and no neutral.

This is ominous. I think the situation you are proposing is possible and would not end the game as nobody's win conditions would be met. Trying to discard one possible scenario is Scummy and makes me think it is the situation we're in and you're a part of it. Serial Killer and Scum aren't non-Town in the sense that we have to beat them both. Our win condition is to kill all of the Maples. Your post is misleading as to the possible mechanics. What you're trying to say is not possible I believe is entirely possible. We might have even seen it on EB before. It rings a very faint bell. Now we have to decide if that's deliberate on your part or not. And if you're trying to confuse us on the number of Scum or the existence of a Serial Killer.

I have the feeling Lassie and I are Oaks. It feels like we're up against 3 Scum. It will be interesting when voting opens. What do the Stumps (meaning Berty, Waldorf and Catarina ) think at this point as the best lynch? I want to lynch all three.

Waldorf? Bruce? I have a pretty detailed question hanging out there for you guys. Would love confirmation.

[Bob]

This is ominous. I think the situation you are proposing is possible and would not end the game as nobody's win conditions would be met. Trying to discard one possible scenario is Scummy and makes me think it is the situation we're in and you're a part of it. Serial Killer and Scum aren't non-Town in the sense that we have to beat them both. Our win condition is to kill all of the Maples. Your post is misleading as to the possible mechanics. What you're trying to say is not possible I believe is entirely possible. We might have even seen it on EB before. It rings a very faint bell. Now we have to decide if that's deliberate on your part or not. And if you're trying to confuse us on the number of Scum or the existence of a Serial Killer.

I'm not trying to mislead anyone or skew the mechanics of the game. I might be totally wrong on all of this, but I don't think I have seen this before. Our win condition is to kill all of the Maples, yes, but the serial killer's win condition is typically "survive until the end" unless it's different for this game. That's a possibility as well, since there's been a lot of things that are different in this game. The way I've always seen it is that the scum have to outnumber the town, not the town and the serial killer. If there's two maples and a serial killer, don't the scum tie the town? The game usually ends when there's a tie like that, right? Therefore, since we're all still here, I don't think that the two scum and an SK is possible. I might be totally wrong though, like I said. I'm not trying to deny that it's a possibility. I even prefaced the statement with "I don't think" instead of "there's definitely not."

[Hinckley]

If there's two maples and a serial killer, don't the scum tie the town? The game usually ends when there's a tie like that, right? Therefore, since we're all still here, I don't think that the two scum and an SK is possible. I might be totally wrong though, like I said. I'm not trying to deny that it's a possibility. I even prefaced the statement with "I don't think" instead of "there's definitely not."

If the Town and Scum are equal, then neither has met their win conditions. The Scum haven't outnumbered us because of the existence of the Serial Killer. Our win condition as worded in the rules is to kill all the Scum so the Serial Killer can join the ride and win with us. The game only ends when Scum and Town are tied and there is no neutral party remaining to break the tie vote. Despite your wording, the post still seemed dismissive like you were trying to lead others to not think of it as possible as well.

You're a very different Sue than I'm used to. Whatever side you're on, that's a compliment. You're playing a lot better. I bet if you're Scum, you really want to win this...and you're so close...

[jimmynick]

Waldorf? Bruce? I have a pretty detailed question hanging out there for you guys. Would love confirmation.

Right, yes, I agree with what you said.

[Hinckley]

Right, yes, I agree with what you said.

Crazy... OK, I'll work it out. Thank you.

[Tamamono]

Yes, sorry, it's taken some time to get used to not having limbs anymore.

I love that Jack was actually the janitor. I didn't think it would happen, but I'm sure as hell glad we lynched him. This confirms my suspicions about Sue - that she's probably town.

What about Lassie though? She was the first vote for Jack back when it looked like he wouldn't be lynched. Could that be a smart bus?

Simon - I'd love to decipher your codes, but I don't think I even half of those. Are these all from our 1 on 1 conversation?

[Hinckley]

Ask Waldorf what I said. Important question in there for you.

[MagPiesRUs]

Of course you're inclined to believe I'm scum, you're trying to save your own skin today. Voting for Jack was a mixture of both. I believe strongly that you're scum, but given the case yesterday against Jack I felt more confident voting for him.

No you didn't. The case against Jack was outlined early on in the day, and you completely ignored it and zeroed in on me instead. When you saw the tide was turning, you decided to hammer Jack to score some points today. Obviously, you didn't know what I was going to do with my vote at the time. I could have voted for Jack. So you decided to hop on the bandwagon and hammer your buddy. If you didn't, it would have looked bad for you.

Would you have preferred a no-lynch yesterday? I know that it probably screwed up your plans. Had I not hammered Jack, would you have voted for him? Would you have been content with no conviction at such a late stage in the game?

As I said, if I were around a little earlier (the lynch had already taken place by the time I was awake) and it was clarified that Jack wasn't investigated, I may have voted for him. As it was, no more votes were needed and I wasn't confident about the lynch.

Tell me, if I'm scum, why didn't I unvote Jack at the last second? I was online for the rest of the day, so it's not because I stopped paying attention.

Are you admitting that you had the numbers to win yesterday? That's the only reason it would make sense for you to unvote yesterday. If you unvoted Jack at the last minute, the vig would have targeted Jack last night and then it would be confirmed that you were scum today.

Of course you would want the town to think that he was scum. Maples want us to underestimate the number of surviving scum, and to believe that the SK still exists. Tell me, Adelaide, why would the SK not kill on Night Five or Night Six ??

If you think the SK is still alive, who do you think they are?

I don't know, and I'm not really concerned about the SK right now. Since Sammy was investigated as town, it is highly unlikely that he is a neutral. So if the SK still exists, I'd lean towards Lassie.

Peter's behaviour strikes me as very scummy, so I'm inclined to ignore one night without a third kill. It's possible he was the SK, but I don't believe his actions support this.

But you didn't hammer him when a hammer was needed....

I live on the other side of the forest. I was sleeping when a hammer was needed. If it was necessary, I may have hammered Jack. But it wasn't.

[Hinckley]

Simon - I'd love to decipher your codes, but I don't think I even half of those. Are these all from our 1 on 1 conversation?

Of course they are. That was the point of the codes. I'll find what page they're on. I sent on two different days.

I don't know, and I'm not really concerned about the SK right now. Since Sammy was investigated as town, it is highly unlikely that he is a neutral. So if the SK still exists, I'd lean towards Lassie.

This is a great point, but what of Sammy being framed or the Godfather? What do you think of the points I made about Sammy's behavior being Scummy?

Bruce, pages 13 & 22.

[MagPiesRUs]

Of course they are. That was the point of the codes. I'll find what page they're on. I sent on two different days.

This is a great point, but what of Sammy being framed or the Godfather? What do you think of the points I made about Sammy's behavior being Scummy?

I still think it's possible Sammy is scum. Her comments about the janitor strike me as odd, as do some of the other things I've talked to you about. However I still feel that Sue is a better lynch today. What do you make of her hammer vote and subsequent justification?

[Hinckley]

I still think it's possible Sammy is scum. Her comments about the janitor strike me as odd, as do some of the other things I've talked to you about. However I still feel that Sue is a better lynch today. What do you make of her hammer vote and subsequent justification?

I feel that with me himming and hawwing and basically doubting the lynch the whole way, it was the perfect opportunity for someone to not join the bandwagon, let alone hammer. But, it's totally possible that what you are suggesting is true. It could've been down to the two of them and they felt Jack being lynched or vig-killed was inevitable and their best bet at making it through to the end was hammering him.

I do see your point. This is going to be difficult to figure out who is lying. There are five skilled vets remaining.

[Bob]

If the Town and Scum are equal, then neither has met their win conditions. The Scum haven't outnumbered us because of the existence of the Serial Killer. Our win condition as worded in the rules is to kill all the Scum so the Serial Killer can join the ride and win with us. The game only ends when Scum and Town are tied and there is no neutral party remaining to break the tie vote. Despite your wording, the post still seemed dismissive like you were trying to lead others to not think of it as possible as well.

It might have seemed dismissive, but it wasn't meant to be.

You're a very different Sue than I'm used to. Whatever side you're on, that's a compliment. You're playing a lot better. I bet if you're Scum, you really want to win this...and you're so close...

Aw, thanks. And you're right, I really do want to win this, but for the town, not for the scum like you're hinting.

No you didn't. The case against Jack was outlined early on in the day, and you completely ignored it and zeroed in on me instead. When you saw the tide was turning, you decided to hammer Jack to score some points today. Obviously, you didn't know what I was going to do with my vote at the time. I could have voted for Jack. So you decided to hop on the bandwagon and hammer your buddy. If you didn't, it would have looked bad for you.

That's true, I didn't know what you were going to do with your vote. But I still decided to hammer him anyway because of the case against him and the fact that we needed a lynch. I hardly hopped onto any bandwagon, I sealed the lynch against him. Hopping onto the bandwagon would have made me the third or fourth vote for example, or the sixth vote. (Which there wasn't, since you didn't vote) Had I not hammered him, would you have? Let's find out...

As I said, if I were around a little earlier (the lynch had already taken place by the time I was awake) and it was clarified that Jack wasn't investigated, I may have voted for him. As it was, no more votes were needed and I wasn't confident about the lynch.

Evidently you may have hammered him, but that's all fine and dandy to say today. The wording of your post yesterday seemed to hint that you had no intention on voting for him at all. You saw him as "proactive" and "anti-Maple", to quote a few of your phrases. It almost seemed like you were trying to defend him. Today you're criticizing me for ignoring all of the points against Jack early on, acting like you were one of the first people to accuse and vote for Jack. From what I've reread, it looks like you didn't even suspect Jack. Even when Jack was going after you, you didn't fight back and bring forth what was scummy about him. Didn't want to bring any new evidence or theories forward that would hurt your scum buddy and your chance for a no-lynch?

Are you admitting that you had the numbers to win yesterday? That's the only reason it would make sense for you to unvote yesterday. If you unvoted Jack at the last minute, the vig would have targeted Jack last night and then it would be confirmed that you were scum today.

Nice try twisting my words. What I said was that there are probably two scum left today, and had Jack not been lynched, there would have been three. Since there would have been no lynch that would have meant that the game would have ended last night and not continued today, if we're to believe the night actions would remain the same. So if I was scum, why would I throw the game away like that?

[Hinckley]

I feel like you two have somewhat crawled out of the woodwork to start accusing each other. You've been active but this is the most I remember either of you suspecting anyone and supporting it with behavioral analysis. It feels like a performance between the two remaining Scum. And me, without any popcorn.

[MagPiesRUs]

Evidently you may have hammered him, but that's all fine and dandy to say today. The wording of your post yesterday seemed to hint that you had no intention on voting for him at all. You saw him as "proactive" and "anti-Maple", to quote a few of your phrases. It almost seemed like you were trying to defend him. Today you're criticizing me for ignoring all of the points against Jack early on, acting like you were one of the first people to accuse and vote for Jack. From what I've reread, it looks like you didn't even suspect Jack. Even when Jack was going after you, you didn't fight back and bring forth what was scummy about him. Didn't want to bring any new evidence or theories forward that would hurt your scum buddy and your chance for a no-lynch?

I didn't fight him because I was getting a town-read on him. That's also why I didn't add my vote on after he had been lynched. I did point out that he seemed to be picking and choosing whatever it was that suited his case, though I was unsure if he was a manipulating maple or a townie who was trying to find support for his gut feeling anywhere he could.

And you avoided my question. Why did you completely ignore the case against Jack until the last minute when it seemed clear he was done for? Yesterday, you tried to grill me because I didn't mention Peter as a suspect the day after Hazel was lynched. That suggests to me that you yourself must name all of the people you find suspicious and intend to go after in a day. Why didn't you do this with Jack?

Nice try twisting my words. What I said was that there are probably two scum left today, and had Jack not been lynched, there would have been three. Since there would have been no lynch that would have meant that the game would have ended last night and not continued today, if we're to believe the night actions would remain the same. So if I was scum, why would I throw the game away like that?

But the night actions definitely wouldn't have remained the same. Why would the vig kill William if Jack was still breathing? Obviously, the vig would have targeted Jack, and he'd turn up scum. Then we would be sure beyond all doubt that you were scum today.

I feel like you two have somewhat crawled out of the woodwork to start accusing each other. You've been active but this is the most I remember either of you suspecting anyone and supporting it with behavioral analysis. It feels like a performance between the two remaining Scum. And me, without any popcorn.

I made a long case against Peter too. That case didn't appear as prominent because it was drowned out by other issues, because there were far fewer posts of his to work with, and because Peter did the bare minimum to actually address them.

[Lady K]

I'm just curious, why haven't we heard from Sammy at all today?

[Hinckley]

Then again, if either one of you was Scum you'd be jumping all over my suspicion of Sammy. Unless you really want to bus each other. I'm going to lose my mind. And yet this is really exciting Mafia.

I'm just curious, why haven't we heard from Sammy at all today?

His last login was about 21 hours ago.

[Dragonfire]

Who's doing that?

Adelaide I think; but correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think that there's two Maples and a neutral left, because if that were the case then the game would likely be over. The town would be outnumbered by the non-towns and would have no way to WIN unless the neutral went with the town. Therefore, I think it's likely that there's either a neutral and a maple left or two maples and no neutral.

Read the final day of Mafia Mafia. There were 2 scum, 2 town and the SK left. Town somehow managed to get a triple lynch on the non-towns. :wacko:

We need to lynch a Maple today. We don't know whether the SK has limited kill shots, but it's very likely that the Maples don't.

I believe Barry and Peter are both maples. My post referred to the voting patterns of the trees left on majority lynches. The bottom portion is looking at Sue, which I state clearly, and Sue didn't vote for Barry or Peter on a majority lynch, so there was no need to state Barry or Peter being maples.

Why do you think the SK is still alive? And I believe Peter was the SK, but it is entirely possible that I am wrong. This is my opinion but I don't see anyone manipulating anyone into this same idea.

You're contradicting yourself (see the text in bold).

I also believe Barry and Peter to be Maples.

Reasons why I think the SK is alive

1. The SK was definitely alive on Day Five, since there were two kills on Night Four and the vigilante didn't kill. Therefore Barry, Alastair and Hazel could not have been the SK.

2. On Night Five, there were two kill actions taken (not counting Chester's passive kill). One of them was the vigilante. Therefore, either the Maples or the SK did not kill. They could have been blocked or their target protected. Or they targeted Nash or Peter for the kill. There are many explanations.

3. Somebody brought this point up today. The Maples (I think) were given a janitor list of me, Peter, Nash and Chester on Night Five, and they needed to choose someone to janitor. The obvious choice was me. But they chose Peter instead. Peter was not widely suspected, much less so than me. Unless he was the SK and they role-copped him (which is unlikely; a janitor and a role-cop would be too OP), then he must have been scum.

4. William and Bruce were killed last night. We have no confirmation as to whether the vig killed someone last night, but it is obvious that the vig didn't kill Bruce. I personally viewed William as less scummy than basically everyone except Simon yesterday- only Simon suspected him. I don't see why the vig would kill William over Lassie, Sue, Adelaide or Sammy. Which leads me to believe that the vigilante didn't kill last night. Therefore there has to be a SK.

I have the feeling Lassie and I are Oaks. It feels like we're up against 3 Scum. It will be interesting when voting opens. What do the Stumps (meaning Berty, Waldorf and Catarina ) think at this point as the best lynch? I want to lynch all three.

I doubt Sue is Scum, but it's quite possible that she is the SK. I think Adelaide is the best lynch for today- she's more likely to be a Maple than the SK. If there truly are 2 Maples, the SK and two Oaks, then you will lose if you lynch the SK today. You need to lynch a scum.

If the Town and Scum are equal, then neither has met their win conditions. The Scum haven't outnumbered us because of the existence of the Serial Killer. Our win condition as worded in the rules is to kill all the Scum so the Serial Killer can join the ride and win with us. The game only ends when Scum and Town are tied and there is no neutral party remaining to break the tie vote. Despite your wording, the post still seemed dismissive like you were trying to lead others to not think of it as possible as well.

I agree.

I don't know, and I'm not really concerned about the SK right now. Since Sammy was investigated as town, it is highly unlikely that he is a neutral. So if the SK still exists, I'd lean towards Lassie.

Just after Simon's post that him and Lassie were the only townies. It makes sense from a scum point of view to throw suspicion on a townie for being the SK. We can't lynch the SK today, because there might be two scum and then they'd win.

I feel like you two have somewhat crawled out of the woodwork to start accusing each other. You've been active but this is the most I remember either of you suspecting anyone and supporting it with behavioral analysis. It feels like a performance between the two remaining Scum. And me, without any popcorn.

Aww, Simon. Here's some *extends a root and hands Simon popcorn*

Doesn't Sue normally do this? And no, it doesn't seem like bussing to me.

[Walter Kovacs]

Voting is now open.

You have 48 hours left in Day 7. With five players, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

[MagPiesRUs]

Just after Simon's post that him and Lassie were the only townies. It makes sense from a scum point of view to throw suspicion on a townie for being the SK. We can't lynch the SK today, because there might be two scum and then they'd win.

If there is a SK, the only realistic candidates are Lassie and Sue. Since I believe Sue is a maple, I would guess Lassie is SK. If there are only two townies left, then it is me and Simon. If there is a third townie, I think it is a toss-up between Sammy and Lassie. It will help to hear a lot more from both of them today though.

Vote: Sue Sumac (Bob)

This should be an interesting day for voting...

[Bob]

I didn't fight him because I was getting a town-read on him. That's also why I didn't add my vote on after he had been lynched. I did point out that he seemed to be picking and choosing whatever it was that suited his case, though I was unsure if he was a manipulating maple or a townie who was trying to find support for his gut feeling anywhere he could.

And you avoided my question. Why did you completely ignore the case against Jack until the last minute when it seemed clear he was done for? Yesterday, you tried to grill me because I didn't mention Peter as a suspect the day after Hazel was lynched. That suggests to me that you yourself must name all of the people you find suspicious and intend to go after in a day. Why didn't you do this with Jack?

I hadn't mentioned Jack at all because I was more convinced about you being scum, at least in the beginning of the day. Then when the evidence started to compile against Jack and people became more suspicious of him, I decided to hammer him out. Even more convincing for me was one of his final posts, in which he stated that it was vital for him to stay alive and anyone but him should have been lynched. I'm assuming that since Simon voted for him it pretty much confirmed him as vanilla, since everyone claimed to Simon. No vanilla player should ever say that it is vital for him to live and survive.

You're grasping at straws and drawing lines and connections to places that don't exist. You're striving to make yourself look town by twisting my words and accusing me of not properly answering your questions. Go back and look, you didn't ask me a question. You made a statement.

Vote: Adelaide Apple (TPRU)

Your last sentence about this being an interesting day for voting is pretty ominous. Expecting any surprises?