SkaForHire Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 As I said elsewhere, I wasn't really here this week to right our course. Whereas I think that it stretches the spirit of the GA, I think we will let it stand. I guess a GA could have theoretically happened before the war actually broke out... then again, we kind of crunched a bunch of time into a few weeks with the prelude of the challenge, so perhaps it happened very early in the prelude?
Adair Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Ok, I forgot to add links to my two Guerrillas, so here they are: Elegy of the Blade, HC vs. Ulandus. http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=107118#entry2169609 A Warriors Sorrow, HC vs. Desert King. http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=107381#entry2174834
Kai NRG Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 As I said elsewhere, I wasn't really here this week to right our course. Whereas I think that it stretches the spirit of the GA, I think we will let it stand. I guess a GA could have theoretically happened before the war actually broke out... then again, we kind of crunched a bunch of time into a few weeks with the prelude of the challenge, so perhaps it happened very early in the prelude? Thanks for clarifying that Ska, I am just wondering though whether that would be the boat MOC or the other one?
MassEditor Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 My Guerilla Action against G15: Freedom to Worship
MassEditor Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Wow I'm really no good at this - thanks for pointing that out. I checked all the other GAs to make sure g15 wasn't taken, I didn't think to check the warzones! Sorry about the confusion. Is G14 an eligible choice? Edited March 25, 2015 by MassEditor
SkaForHire Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 Wow I'm really no good at this - thanks for pointing that out. I checked all the other GAs to make sure g15 wasn't taken, I didn't think to check the warzones! Sorry about the confusion. Is G14 an eligible choice? I believe so. I will change it for you. On the next map I will be sure to put WZs in there to avoid confusion.
Disco86 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Just wanted to mention, that our victory at E7 was a decisive victory, because we had 50% of the votes in a 3 way vote. I made 2nd place and I choose E8 as our additional zone. Please tell me if this violates any rules or destroys any plans about upcoming warzones. Alternatively I would choose D6. I would recommend to change the rules about the decisive victory. First of all I would add the words "at least" in front of the percentages. Secondly I would restrict the possible zones to pick to those who have only 1 point.
MKJoshA Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Ok, I forgot to add links to my two Guerrillas, so here they are: Elegy of the Blade, HC vs. Ulandus. http://www.eurobrick...18#entry2169609 A Warriors Sorrow, HC vs. Desert King. http://www.eurobrick...81#entry2174834 I have a question about "A Warrior's Sorrow." What is the guerrilla action? I thought the guerrilla builds needed to be subtle, not overt attacks? The build can be countered brick for brick, but what action is being countered? I think we need to be a little more defining in our guerrilla builds.
Maxim I Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Just wanted to mention, that our victory at E7 was a decisive victory, because we had 50% of the votes in a 3 way vote. I made 2nd place and I choose E8 as our additional zone. Please tell me if this violates any rules or destroys any plans about upcoming warzones. Alternatively I would choose D6. I would recommend to change the rules about the decisive victory. First of all I would add the words "at least" in front of the percentages. Secondly I would restrict the possible zones to pick to those who have only 1 point. If I am not wrong, you need 51% of the votes and you have only 50% :) Also winning with 1 vote difference is not exactly decisive... @Ska: I would suggest changing the numbers to 60 or even 66% percent for 3way and to 80% in a 2way. Because WZ2 looks just like WZ1 where it is between 2 factions instead of 3 (sorry Ulandians)
robuko Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Maxim, the rules have been changed AFTER the voting closed. As of March 24 when voting had closed the rules read: If one side wins 50% of the popular vote in a three way battle, or 75% in a two way battle, the second place scorer from the side can pick an additional square that borders the battle zone, and claim the territory as an “Decisive” victor.
Jacob Nion Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I can also not see why a victory with only one vote difference should not be decisive. We held the absolute majority of votes. That's the thing that matters. So run parliaments in almost every democracy. Forthat, it's right that it should be 51%. But as robuko said, the rule was changed after voting. Edited March 26, 2015 by Jacob Nion
Maxim I Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Maybe they changed after the vote, that's possible, but still, winning with one vote difference is not decisive. If I wanted, I could have asked my brother (who has an account on EB as well) to vote and then it would have been equal... It would have been decisive if we had 25´% and Ulandus had 25% and you guys had 50%. But Ulandus had only 1 vote so in my opinion it was more a 2way battle than a 3way battle... Note: Don't get me wrong, your victory was deserved! I only don't agree considering this a decisive victory
robuko Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Maxim, there's no maybe about it. It was done after the close of voting. I agree with you that this was thrillingly close rather than "decisive". However, changing the rules retrospectively because you don't like the legitimate result that came from them is poor practice. Changing them for future rounds, as Ska has done with all previous rule changes, so we all know what they are, is fine. Of course, we all accept Ska's decisions as final arbiter, but it is better if those decisions are made in a consistent maner. Edited March 26, 2015 by robuko
Maxim I Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Maxim, there's no maybe about it. It was done after the close of voting. I agree with you that this was thrillingly close rather than "decisive". However, changing the rules retrospectively because you don't like the legitimate result that came from them is poor practice. Changing them for future rounds, as Ska has done with all previous rule changes, so we all know what they are, is fine. To make this clear, I never said you should not pick a zone... I am just saying your victory was close and not decisive. Rules are rules and I agree when we change them, it is for in the future. Don't forget this still is an experiment. Ska does a lot of work for it, but he can not forsee everything. I really like the idea of picking an extra zone when having a decisive victory, but then the victory really should be decisive and not based on 1 vote like now. For example, if the voting for WZ2 continues like it is now, you will have a decisive victory for sure (right now even when the minimum is 60 or even 66%). That's what I will call a decisive victory. But 50% against 48% is not at all decisive. In most countries this would even mean the start of a Civil War
Kai NRG Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 But since the civil war has already started here...
MKJoshA Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 But since the civil war has already started here...
Disco86 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 The rule has been changed to 51 % now, but it is still wrong. It has to be "at least", because with this rule now you need to have exact 51%. Fortunately the Desert King had exactly 50% when the rule said so. And I would also suggest to set the percentage to at least 60 for the three way battle. I think 75 for the two way battle seems to be fair. If I wanted, I could have asked my brother (who has an account on EB as well) to vote and then it would have been equal... You are wrong with this one. If he had voted, than his vote would have been for the Desert King, because this were the best builds
SkaForHire Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 I changed them right before I went out last night. The old 50% stand for Warzone one though. I am still catching up on real life work and this challenge. You are probably right Maxim, it should probably be higher now that we have seen that two sides have more builders that regularly participate. When I wrote the rules, I couldn't fathom that two sides would be so dominant and the third would have trouble. On the other hand, we still have 10 pretty prominent builders that have not signed up at all, maybe some of them will go to Ulandus? You can blame scarst for the loss, he didn't bother to vote- haha. Although, joking aside, people should vote not for their team, but for the side they think won. It is just a game after all!
gedren_y Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Ska is right, voting should be about the best entry (build and story). I ended up voting for DK to win on WZ2. About decisive victory, it should be that there is a minimum percentage difference between first and second. 10% or more at least. Edited March 26, 2015 by gedren_y
Kai NRG Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Ska is right, voting should be about the best entry (build and story). I ended up voting for DK to win on WZ2... Definitely! Especially on guerrillas, I kind of feel like we have some people who are just voting party. That really kills the spirit of the game, so please please please don't do that - even if it means you vote DK instead of U!
SkaForHire Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 Just wanted to mention, that our victory at E7 was a decisive victory, because we had 50% of the votes in a 3 way vote. I made 2nd place and I choose E8 as our additional zone. Please tell me if this violates any rules or destroys any plans about upcoming warzones. Alternatively I would choose D6. I would recommend to change the rules about the decisive victory. First of all I would add the words "at least" in front of the percentages. Secondly I would restrict the possible zones to pick to those who have only 1 point. I am going to ask that you consider picking another square. I did not notice this was Queenscross, which should be its own battle. (In fact it was the second battle for this week that I have written up already) Since WZ1 was grandfathered into the older rule of 50%, and no limitation was placed on picking the second square, you can still have E8, but again I had already planned that this would be a warzone this week and would appreciate it if an alternate pick was made. I have changed the rules to 60% on a three way vote, and limited picking to only squares that are not worth more than 1 VP.
Disco86 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Totallly fine with this. As I already wrote I don't want to destroy anything. So I pick D6.
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