Future Star Wars Sets

[Blondie-Wan]

I am completely with you.

I hope that the UCS Falcon is never re-released.

This should stay an iconic set, which not everyone has.

But it is an iconic set which not everyone has, and doing another UCS Millennium Falcon wouldn't change that. A new one wouldn't be a straight-up rerelease of 10179 - it would be a totally new build, model, just of the same ship.

[ummester]

Falcons sell, LEGO is a company that needs to make profit - another Falcon is an inevitability.

Another UCS Falcon seems the most likely to me. Here are my reasons.

There is one midi, a couple of minis and 3 system Falcons but only 1 UCS Falcon that was released a while ago. The current gap seems to be around the UCS size.

The recent UCS Sandcrawler wasn't really UCS but more a detailed system/minifg size build.

I think there will be a new falcon in either 2015 or 2016 that will be a price point similar to the sandcrawler, around 3,500 parts, with an interior. It will be larger than the system sets but smaller than the UCS set.

[neoconagenda]

As one of those AFOL's that has more money than sense I am beginning to tire of kicking myself over price points. First $500, then $700 and so on until now we are plus $2000... Beginning to tire but will never give in. I am currently 5 sets away from having the complete UCS but I will always be short 2 because the MF and Snow Speeder are priced out. ISD is high but it is massive and loaded with old gray so it is going to happen soon. My point is that I hope for a re-release at $600 or below -or- a comparable set as I believe that anything remotely close to the original will drive the prices back down to what I would be willing to pay... As far as an interior goes it is not a huge deal for me because it leaves something for the AFOL to do after the build. I always enjoy using Jurgen's MODS on my Technic sets...

[TheLegGodt]

Falcons sell, LEGO is a company that needs to make profit - another Falcon is an inevitability.

Another UCS Falcon seems the most likely to me. Here are my reasons.

There is one midi, a couple of minis and 3 system Falcons but only 1 UCS Falcon that was released a while ago. The current gap seems to be around the UCS size.

The recent UCS Sandcrawler wasn't really UCS but more a detailed system/minifg size build.

I think there will be a new falcon in either 2015 or 2016 that will be a price point similar to the sandcrawler, around 3,500 parts, with an interior. It will be larger than the system sets but smaller than the UCS set.

I think this makes a lot sense. It fits perfectly into their new UCS stratgy which are ALSO playsets and I would speculate it will indeed include an interior so as to add something new. Everyone is happy: owners of the UCS will have reason to buy it and still be happy with the first UCS. People who don't pen the first UCS finally get a large, colllectors edition MF that is worth displaying. Here's hoping!

[Mahtion]

Me too. I hope we won't get the Rebels version!

Could get some with a Troop transport from the Rebels show, but they would be the stylized Rebels version.

[CoffeeGuy]

Lots of wookieee stuff

[ummester]

neoconagenda - I agree that some of the price points are getting ridiculous, even if you have some money. I also agree that AFOLs should MOC their sets up to be more complete.

TheLegGodt - it does make sense to try and develop a Falcon that offers a bit of everything and represents something new(ish). The UCS Falcon is too big for minifig scale and/or display whilst the system Falcons are too small. Something in the middle would be more perfect and hopefully hit a more reasonable price point.

Personally, though I would welcome this set, I'd probably not buy one - rather I'd use techniques and parts from it so that I improve the singular display Falcon I have (which isn't really any single set but rather a mish mash of ideas from them all and some of the excellent MOCs out there). I'm a builder, more than a collector - so I don't want multiple Falcons, just one as close to perfect Falcon as I can put together.

Keep in mind though, the wider you make a Falcon's saucer section, the more difficult it is to display. A display stand that holds a Falcon model at a 45 degree angle on the side would also be nice inclusion.

[The_Chosen_1]

To preface my thoughts, I do own 10179 (which I didn't purchase as a set, but parted out via Bricklink and Lego directly. A very rewarding project!)

I would definitely purchase another UCS Falcon, assuming it's unique and different than 10179. I don't think Lego would ever do a straight re-release, however. And I'm inclined to think that they won't make another Falcon the same size as 10179 (retail price on it would be more than 10179 was).

[jamie75]

Personally, I would love to have a new UCS Falcon, but, hopefully it is a significant improvement over the last!

They have to do something to differentiate it, not just slap a new set number on the same set. Add an interior, or part of one. Covered cockpit (new pieces), like the pic Lobot posted. Lose the boat rigging pieces for the engines, they work, but, use something new, to keep the collectors happy. Same with the dish, use a new print.

Don't get me wrong, 10179 is an awesome set. I have one and a low number, too. I won't sell it, I didn't buy it to sell later. And even if they do re-release the same model, I'll still buy a new one. These are just things I would like to see in a new set.

Lego has come a long way in designing sets since the last one was released. Some of the newer models are fun to build and a little complex too. They aren't you dad's Lego sets anymore!!

Jamie

[wesker]

Lots of wookieee stuff

You might be in luck there. Wookies are set to make an appearance in Rebels and even have a new cruiser you can see at 8:00 in this video:

[Robianco]

I agree in that they won't just re-release 10179... and they shouldn't. It's an iconic set as already stated and I hope any future set wouldn't include the rigging and the dish that are so valuable from the first.

I think they can actually improve on those areas... and especially the cockpit being 'glassless'... I hope that's something that's rectified.

The last version was so large down to the simple fact that it WAS minifig scale... A new one could be something slightly smaller but with improved detailing and an interior.

As well as being in Episode VII we know the Spice Mines of Kessel are in Rebels so there may be need for an appearance for a ship to do the Kessel run? Maybe faster than 12 parsecs?

Fingers crossed.

[Brickmamba]

Since I don't have a MF or any type, if true this UCS would be a must cop

[Brickmamba]

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Edited July 26, 2014 by Brickdoctor
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[ummester]

The last version was so large down to the simple fact that it WAS minifig scale...

I would respectfully disagree on that Robiano. Lucas wasn't really one to keep to scale in his shots - just look at the AT-AT, it changes sizes regularly relative to people and the Snowspeeder in Empire - but to get a true estimate of scale for the Falcon you have to look at shots of either character's in or on it, like this one:

Yea, minifigs are wider than they are tall, so you have to decide what dimension you are going to base the scale of a model relative to them on - either height or width (I find if you try and base it on width the models look over sized), though, regardless, the Falcon from the films isn't as big as many think.

It's really on a single deck vessel (with some half height smuggling compartments below) and a cockpit that is barely taller than a person. A new cockpit piece that tapered more bluntly than any recent system set but but with a similar circumference where it joins the ship would be reasonable size - then the ship has to be scaled around that.

The original LEGO cockpit was probably the closest in size:

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemPic.asp?P=30485pb01

Of course, the system sets have ships that are too small relative to the size of the cockpits.

Edited July 21, 2014 by ummester

[Robianco]

I love the Ewok Village... its such as great looking set and also looks very nice with a AT-ST milling about next to it and the Endor Imperial Control room.

An updated Endor Away Team with Han, Luke & Leia in camouflage would be nice although just updating the head on the Leia in the Endor set is still a pretty good fig and I just added a camouflage trench coat to a spare Han which looks nice so no rush! ;)

Out of all of the sets I'm hoping the Slave 1 is a little taster to Bespin getting some attention now... Hoth has been well taken care of in the last couple of years and now at AT-AT and Snowspeeder. We've got a Sandcrawler and Cantina as well as X-Wings, TIEs and a Death Star... we've also had Endor looked after and Tatooine with everything Jabba related all sorted... so it's just Cloud City.

Big set would be great along with a Twin-Pod Cloud Car... the pilot from the old Kenner line I had as a kid is still one of the few things I'm really missing adding as a Lego figure.

If they pull 4-Lom and Zuckuss out of the bag with the Slave 1 that might just be one of the most exciting things they've done in a while... especially as Zuckuss was in that animated short earlier this year.

[Robianco]

I would respectfully disagree on that Robiano. Lucas wasn't really one to keep to scale in his shots - just look at the AT-AT, it changes sizes regularly relative to people and the Snowspeeder in Empire - but to get a true estimate of scale for the falcon you have to look at shots of either character's in or on it, like this one:

[snip]

Yea, minifigs are wider than they are tall, so you have to decide what dimension you are going to base the scale of a model relative to them on - either height or width (I find if you try and base it on width the models look over sized), though, regardless, the Falcon from the films isn't as big as many think.

Well whatever scale Lucas went for in a particular scene the 10179 Falcon was apparently intended as minifig scale... not just a random scale to make a large set.

http://lego.wikia.co...llennium_Falcon

Note the official Lego release at the bottom of that page stating the minifig scale design.

It's always been the case and has probably been the catalyst for people creating minifig scale sets since... AT-AT, Sandcrawler etc.

System scale sets such as the X-Wing and Snowspeeder are close to minifig scale as they are with the UCS X-Wing etc just being nice, detailed, large models.

Edited July 26, 2014 by Brickdoctor
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[ummester]

AT-AT is a really bad example - that's why I picked it - it's height ranges dramatically in film shots. The Falcon is more consistent in the films relative to characters but not to other vessels. I believe TLG designed the UCS Falcon to what they thought was minifig scale - though it definitely appears to me that the dimensions they used are well off the majority of film shots.

You have explained why many MOCs of Star Wars vehicles at 'minifig' scale seem over-sized to me, they are likely based on UCS Falcon size and not film size.

Edited July 21, 2014 by ummester

[AudiBobaR5-D2]

Episode I:

Naboo Royal Throne room: Queen Amidala, Naboo Royal Advisory council members, 4x Naboo secruity guards, R2-M5, R2-A6, 5 Battle Droids, 2 secruity Battle Droids, Nute Gunray - 74.99

Episode II: Lars Homestead - Cliegg Lars, Owen Lars, Beru Lars, Anakin Skywalker, Padme Amidala, R2-D2, grey plated C-3PO, Speeder bike, Royal Naboo H Type Nubian Yacht

[Jdurg]

I just picked up a very incomplete 4502 set via BrickLink that basically only includes the parts for Yoda's Hut and some other parts for the X-Wing. I kind of wanted Yoda's Hut for a while to go with the X-Wing I had, but didn't want to get yet another X-Wing in my collection. I have plenty of spare foliage parts that I had lying around so if I ever wanted to "re-enact" the sunken X-Wing I could just append some of the foliage to the one that I have.

Anyway, this got me thinking about a set that Lego could produce which wouldn't be all that large and could be sold at a good price point, and also hasn't really been fully released. That would be a Dagobah set. The set would include:

Yoda's Hut that would be similar to the one in set 4502, but a bit longer and more accurate to the movie.

The dark area where Luke battles a "Darth Vader" whom he decapitates.

Various boxes and whatnot for Luke's force telekinesis training.

Mini-figs would include:

Yoda

Luke Skywalker in his Dagobah attire (Basically the same as in set 4502, but flesh colored instead of yellow)

Darth Vader with Luke Skywalker's head. Separate "helmet" would be included to show Luke's head/face in Vader's getup.

R2-D2 with swamp gunk on him.

I can see this being something like a $39.99 set as there wouldn't be a huge number of pieces for Yoda's Hut or the Mysterious Darkness, but the set would be great for us AFOLs as there really hasn't been any sets around Dagobah aside from that old X-Wing 4502 set.

[Slurpifier]

Seeing as a lot of people are mentioning that next years battlepacks will be Rebels themed, why not a variant battlepack?

Maybe include two Rebels Stormtroopers and two OT Stormtroopers. I know I sound like a mad man, but I really need those new OT Stormtroopers.

[Fives]

Seeing as a lot of people are mentioning that next years battlepacks will be Rebels themed, why not a variant battlepack?

Maybe include two Rebels Stormtroopers and two OT Stormtroopers. I know I sound like a mad man, but I really need those new OT Stormtroopers.

I doubt LEGO would do that. However, I believe that we'll be seeing a lot more traditional Stormtroopers with Episode 7. If the Empire is still prominent, and the rumours we've heard about regular and new chrome Stormies being on the set of the film, then I think its safe to assume that we'll be seeing plenty of Imperial related sets in the coming year and a half. I feel like this year's summer wave really gave us a good overall sweep of Imperial forces and vehicles, as well as giving us much needed updates to Vader and Palpatine. I'm hoping that the Episode 7 sets are up to par with these updates, so you could easily fill your 2014 Star Destroyer with Episode 7 Imperials.

[Slurpifier]

I doubt LEGO would do that. However, I believe that we'll be seeing a lot more traditional Stormtroopers with Episode 7. If the Empire is still prominent, and the rumours we've heard about regular and new chrome Stormies being on the set of the film, then I think its safe to assume that we'll be seeing plenty of Imperial related sets in the coming year and a half. I feel like this year's summer wave really gave us a good overall sweep of Imperial forces and vehicles, as well as giving us much needed updates to Vader and Palpatine. I'm hoping that the Episode 7 sets are up to par with these updates, so you could easily fill your 2014 Star Destroyer with Episode 7 Imperials.

I agree, with Lego, its one or nothing Really hope Lego release Stormtroopers in a battlepack next year, if not its no big loss, just gotta wait until Episode VII comes out to see the set potentials that come with it!

[Venkefedo]

I'm hoping the rumors of Stormies in EpVII are false; I love the Empire, but let it die! It should've floundered and decayed without the Sith running things, like in the EU, and not be a threat 30 years later. Then we could get NEW baddies (and their troops) in VII.

Anyhoo, seeing MicroFighters mentioned in the news/rumors thread, my hopes for more were rekindled. The rest of the OT fighters, a Jawa in a chibi Sandcrawler, the Tantive IV with Captain Antilles, some PT fighters, etc... and while a longshot, I'd love to see some EU ships, too. Hound's Tooth with Bossk, Moldy Crow with Kyle Katarn, Ebon Hawk with just about anyone (tho HK-47 would be my top pick), Jade Shadow (or a now-noncanon Z-95 which is now the EpVII X-wing) with Mara Jade, KOTOR Sith Interceptor with a shiny Sith Trooper, TIE Predator with Imperial Knight Antares Draco, the Mynock with Cade Skywalker, etc. Just about any EU ship & character would be preferable to me to getting more Anakin's, Obi-Wans, Lukes, Vaders, etc.

[GuyDudeMan27]

I'm hoping the rumors of Stormies in EpVII are false; I love the Empire, but let it die! It should've floundered and decayed without the Sith running things, like in the EU, and not be a threat 30 years later. Then we could get NEW baddies (and their troops) in VII.

Anyhoo, seeing MicroFighters mentioned in the news/rumors thread, my hopes for more were rekindled. The rest of the OT fighters, a Jawa in a chibi Sandcrawler, the Tantive IV with Captain Antilles, some PT fighters, etc... and while a longshot, I'd love to see some EU ships, too. Hound's Tooth with Bossk, Moldy Crow with Kyle Katarn, Ebon Hawk with just about anyone (tho HK-47 would be my top pick), Jade Shadow (or a now-noncanon Z-95 which is now the EpVII X-wing) with Mara Jade, KOTOR Sith Interceptor with a shiny Sith Trooper, TIE Predator with Imperial Knight Antares Draco, the Mynock with Cade Skywalker, etc. Just about any EU ship & character would be preferable to me to getting more Anakin's, Obi-Wans, Lukes, Vaders, etc.

I agree about the micro fighters, but I'm not sure about the new bad guys. Is episode VII going to acknowledge the already written EU, or ignore it completely? The new x wing in episode VII isn't a Z-95 at all. It is based off of the Ralph McQurrie X wing art, in which the circles split on the x wing. The Z-95 should still be cannon, since it was in TCW. I would prefer if we just got pretty generic characters in the micro fighters. I'm sure if they made some thing with a stormie in it, It would sell tremendously. That was kinda the idea for the planet sets, and I see these as an evolution of those.

[Faefrost]

For those doing all sorts of wild mental calculations in favor of a new UCS Falcon. I hate to put it this way, but no your theories don't make sense because comparing UCS to system scale retail sets is Apples and Oranges. They really don't have much to do with one another beyond this, system Scale Retail sets will always take priority if there is a marketing reason for doing so.

Think of it this way. There are probably, maybe 100,000 10179 UCS Falcons in existence that were sold. There are probably 2-3 million 7965's. And that's just one of the three releases. The two types of sets are marketed into two entirely different worlds of customers. But the retail channel at a near $100 price point is the much much sweeter roi every time. The UCS Falcon is a neat product that is nice to have. The retail system scale ones are a core anchoring product. We will probably see a new retail Falcon just before or with Ep VII. It is that comfortable point where old meets new and would anchor the entire line without spoiling the movie.