We can either play the vig a few different ways.

1) lynch the first person who goes for vig-im against this. In the end it'll be assigned to someone anyway.

2) someone claim vig and use it at their own discretion.

3) the vig kills whoever the town votes for them to kill-I rather like this one.

I think that tonight, Joker should kill whoever he wants. That may help us in determining his allegiance. Tomorrow, we should have a town block of sorts. Then the town block can pass the vig costume among themselves or collectively decide who to kill.

I'm not so sure if I like number three. Perhaps we could all make suggestions as to who the vigilante should kill, but I don't think it's the wisest idea to broadcast who the vigilante should target that night. I suppose it depends on the vigilante as to whether or not they listen to who the town votes for, but I'd still advise against it.

I concur.

Publicizing the vig target could get the target protected, but we would know that they are most likely scum the next day. Even if the scum protect the a townie vig kill, they are really doing nothing but keeping a townie alive for an extra day. The issue would be if the scum had a deflector.

Listen up all townies! If you truly want to win this game, do not grab any items tomorrow (the day after this one) until you have heard who was investigated and cleared. ONLY CLEARED TOWNIES SHOULD PICK WAR MACHINE'S HELMET!

If you pick War Machines helmet and you are not a cleared townie, I will be voting to lynch you.

I'm 99% sure that the first items will be assigned randomly before the new ones are posted; your post is only valid providing that war machine's helmet is posted in the first wave

How will we know who's been investigated and proven to be town?

Did you read anything that I posted or that's been discussed?

They would tell us and as Bob pointed out if they lie it'll come back on day 3 at the latest; it's not worth the gamble for scum to claim to have been investigated this early.

So apparently, assuming Tamamono isn't up to any scummy schemes, we now know which costume has the vigilante role, which is certainly convenient.

And I also, as Dragonfire mentioned, received the statement that all town players are vanilla in my role PM.

I made a writeboard where I'll post the day's costumes and who picked which, so that you won't have to keep going back and forth between the days. (Even if I die, I'll try to keep up it updated.)

Here's the link: http://123.writeboard.com/i88hcr5kbivmdkl0yibjlwx8

And the password: pelly

So we know one suit and that should make the vig at least somewhat manageable, regardless of how it's handled. What do the other suits do? Previous parties of a similar nature have included:

Bomb

Thief

Double vote

Unkillable

Quicksilver (I don't know this role. mafiascum, here I come)

Doctor

Watcher

Flavor cop

Tracker

Etc.

I tried naming all the major roles, there are quite a few.

I think it's safe to speculate that at least the majority of the above are involved in this situation.

I would agree about not publicizing the target, it opens up too many opportunities for abuse.

Beyond that, I don't have a particularly good grasp of what types of roles we're likely to see in this situation but imagine that the general consensus is right and revealing them if you're going to die is probably a good idea.

Nobody is appearing particularly scummy to me today, but that's not really a surprise for day 1.

Vote Tally

JackJonespaw 1 (stickfig)

Walter Kovacs 1 (Brickelodeon)

Roughly 26 hours left

If you pick War Machines helmet and you are not a cleared townie, I will be voting to lynch you.

Uhhh, no? Don't do that. Vote to lynch them the next day so we don't lose the helmet completely. Unless it's your intention to get rid of the vigilante costume, in which case that's really suspicious.

Looks like a fairly townie move from Tammo. The scum had little reason to reveal the vig costume if they were in possession of it, and there was enough doubt around the plan that they could have quite easily kept the role to themselves.

I like the idea of voting for the vig each day. We will probably have to start discussing who we want today though, as we may not be able to get everyone's opinions and votes within the first 12 hours of tomorrow. Obviously we can change our minds if something big comes up overnight though.

I have to say I'm quite surprised at the number of people who have entertained the idea that some townies may have permanent roles, given that the opposite was explicitly stated in our roles.

Uhhh, no? Don't do that. Vote to lynch them the next day so we don't lose the helmet completely. Unless it's your intention to get rid of the vigilante costume, in which case that's really suspicious.

You are right, I didn't think that through.

I like the idea of voting for the vig each day. We will probably have to start discussing who we want today though, as we may not be able to get everyone's opinions and votes within the first 12 hours of tomorrow. Obviously we can change our minds if something big comes up overnight though.

Yeah, this is why I suggested it. If we have at least a tentative candidate, that's best for the whole time-zone thing.

Who are we thinking for tomorrow's vig then? I have townreads on Zepher, Dragonfire, and kind of Bob too, but it's early days yet. Input from anyone else?

And what do we want to do about the lynch? I think Jack might be an alright lynch. I mean, the wagon's gotten a slow start, so that says something.

Anyone else got any better ideas? I'm not too keen on either of the lynches we have now (null on Walter - he's not a good Day One lynch), and I'd like to use our most important weapon to our advantage today.

Shouldn't tomorrows vig be the person who is investigated? (if they are town)

That's a good idea, but what happens if the investigated person is in a timezone where they can't grab the helmet? Not to mention blocks, godfathers, and the possibility of a dead cop.

I think we should at least have a backup candidate for now.

Shouldn't tomorrows vig be the person who is investigated? (if they are town)

Yes, but we should still plan SOMEONE ahead of time in case there's no results reported. It's possible for the investigator to be blocked, or killed, or their target protected, or a multitude of other weird reasons for no result. So a safety plan B I think is prudent.

Yeah, this is why I suggested it. If we have at least a tentative candidate, that's best for the whole time-zone thing.

Who are we thinking for tomorrow's vig then? I have townreads on Zepher, Dragonfire, and kind of Bob too, but it's early days yet. Input from anyone else?

My current leanings are towards either Zepher or Brickelodeon. I hadn't gotten quite as much of a town reading off of Dragonfire, but going back over the posts I could probably see voting for him. Bob hasn't participated/posted enough for me to get very much of a vibe from him - but that's definitively subjunctive.

And what do we want to do about the lynch? I think Jack might be an alright lynch. I mean, the wagon's gotten a slow start, so that says something.

Anyone else got any better ideas? I'm not too keen on either of the lynches we have now (null on Walter - he's not a good Day One lynch), and I'd like to use our most important weapon to our advantage today.

I'm not really sure if I support Jack as a lynch - on the one hand, he did make a suggestion that could have penalized some of us - but I can also see myself suggesting it as a good idea, without thinking of the penalties.

Out of everyone, I've gotten the strongest scum read off of Walter - but again, that could very well be highly subjunctive. I felt that he was a little too quick to try and find people to point fingers at - but then again, I'm the person he was trying to point fingers at.

I think that I can safely say, with the minimum of prejudice, that he was a little quick to use the "scum" word, if nothing else, which is one of the trademarks of a basic scum - the attempt to quickly focus attention on some innocent townie - but Walter is an experienced player, and it doesn't seem likely that as scum he'd do something so potentially incriminating.

So...I'm feeling the same indecision I felt back in Cosplay I.

^Replace "subjunctive" with "subjective", sorry.

edit: ninja'd by the Joker posting at the same time... however, he's wrong about one thing. Time zones shouldn't be a big issue, since even if we don't have a plan B and just say "only the cleared investigated person can take the helmet" then anyone grabbing it who shouldn't would be obvious scum and lynched the next day. An assigned person is still best though.

Okay, sue me Walter, but I'm looking into you as a possible lynch candidate. let's look at your posts:

Okay, nothing wrong with this one, just a bit fluffy.

Okay, first of all, most of this post is just restating something we already know. Classic scum. Then you seem to hint that Lind making what I would call an obvious mistake is somehow scummy. Then more fluff.

In these two, you try to re-enforce your supposed townie-ness by suggesting that anyone who didn't choose their own hat was scum. This is the perfect thing to hint at if you were scum because it makes you seem even more innocent while creating the illusion of helpfulness. And last, but not least, you are making something minuscule into something big, possibly to cause derailment of actually progress, and to confuse us.

You start out with restating something obvious. Then you say that everyone has stepped forward and given their reasoning, which is not true, only Lind gave his (wimpy) reasoning, MT gave sarcasm and nobody else responded. You then go after an easy target because of a likely newbie mistake.

Maybe my logic sucks, maybe not. Anybody else have any thoughts on this?

I agree with the logic stated here (see post #95 for the quotes being examined). Something has seemed off the entire day with Walter. He's been eager to accuse while Also trying to buddy up with those that start "barking up his tree" as seen below and pointed out by Brickelodeon.

It's not that I don't want to defend myself, it's RL interfering. Easter is important to a fair amount of the world population.

At the time I made my large post, the only talk going on was fluffy or about the costumes. I posted a theory, which I admit is likely flimsy, in order to get some real discussion going.

Getting the scum to talk is the only way we'll find them this early. And talking about costumes isn't trying to find scum.

I am town. More important, I think Brickelodeon is Town as well. If I had to place my trust in anyone this early, I'd put it in him. This is likely a situation where both Brick and I are both Town.

I'm not ready to vote for anyone just yet. I haven't noticed anything scummy yet.

Remember this is a Cosplay party, I'm not really Blackbeard and Walter isn't really the Flash. At least, that's what I think.

You seem to try to sweet talk me (the only person accusing you) by saying that you think I'm town. If you truly are town, then thank you for your confidence. But as it is, it seems like you are potentially "verbally bribing" me into letting up on my accusations.

The second thing that pinged me about this post is how you say "I haven't noticed anything scummy yet". What happened to "Let's lynch JJS because he suggested we don't lynch anyone"? It seems like you are backing down.

He also PMed me early on but there wasn't much that came from that.

vote: the flash (Walter Kovacs)

This vote is based strongly on a hunch, but that's more than I normally go off of on day 1.

Well this has all been very interesting. My ninja senses are tingling a bit, but they always seem to do that these days, I think it might be something in this hat.

My thoughts on the vig: by it being out in the open, there is a problem in deciding collectively who the vig should target as if the target is scum, they will block it. Of course, that could lead to us assuming the position of "if the vig is blocked we lynch the vig's target". My concern however is that if the scum have that information, it could be manipulated in some way. It also means if they know the vig is targeting a townie, they won't try to kill that townie, basically giving an extra kill in the scum's favour each night. By the time the vig targets someone on the scum team, we may be so low on numbers that they can afford to block it and then talk it off.

My preferrence would have been to keep the vig role secret I think, until we actually needed to know it. That could have tricked the scum into using it for their own means, then later we may have caught one of them out. Lost opportunity there. My concer now is that the role could easily be passed around amoung the scum and used by them with the classic "opps I killed another townie, oh well" line. Scum will also have input into any sort of secondary vote that is run, meaning they have a chance to manipulate the vig into killing a townie each night, or manipulate the town into choosing the target they want.

Basically I just see lots of problems that can arise from us knowing who the vig is! But it is done, so we'll work with it. My thoughts are just that we pay close attention to it.

Shouldn't tomorrows vig be the person who is investigated? (if they are town)

Who what and a who? No idea what this means, my ninja senses are failing me.

I got Ad1 (lady K) as a town read earlier in this day. Simply because she went against the idea that the lynched person should always reveal their costume's role. This could potentially help the scum, and I don't think that any scum would go against something that could help them. I could be wrong though.

I made a writeboard where I'll post the day's costumes and who picked which, so that you won't have to keep going back and forth between the days. (Even if I die, I'll try to keep up it updated.)

Here's the link: http://123.writeboar...ivmdkl0yibjlwx8

And the password: pelly

OK, nice.

Looks like a fairly townie move from Tammo. The scum had little reason to reveal the vig costume if they were in possession of it, and there was enough doubt around the plan that they could have quite easily kept the role to themselves.

Exactly.

Yeah, this is why I suggested it. If we have at least a tentative candidate, that's best for the whole time-zone thing.

Who are we thinking for tomorrow's vig then? I have townreads on Zepher, Dragonfire, and kind of Bob too, but it's early days yet. Input from anyone else?

I don't want the vig costume. Based on past games, I have a terrible scumdar and I wouldn't trust myself to shoot right. Give it to someone else.

And what do we want to do about the lynch? I think Jack might be an alright lynch. I mean, the wagon's gotten a slow start, so that says something.

Anyone else got any better ideas? I'm not too keen on either of the lynches we have now (null on Walter - he's not a good Day One lynch), and I'd like to use our most important weapon to our advantage today.

Jack sounds OK for a lynch. So does Walter. I really don't mind, but I'd rather lynch one of them than anyone else. Nobody else has really pinged me.

My current leanings are towards either Zepher or Brickelodeon. I hadn't gotten quite as much of a town reading off of Dragonfire, but going back over the posts I could probably see voting for him. Bob hasn't participated/posted enough for me to get very much of a vibe from him - but that's definitively subjunctive.

Brickelodeon I can see, but why Zepher? He comes across as fairly middle of the road to me, why the townread?

Well this has all been very interesting. My ninja senses are tingling a bit, but they always seem to do that these days, I think it might be something in this hat.

My thoughts on the vig: by it being out in the open, there is a problem in deciding collectively who the vig should target as if the target is scum, they will block it. Of course, that could lead to us assuming the position of "if the vig is blocked we lynch the vig's target". My concern however is that if the scum have that information, it could be manipulated in some way. It also means if they know the vig is targeting a townie, they won't try to kill that townie, basically giving an extra kill in the scum's favour each night. By the time the vig targets someone on the scum team, we may be so low on numbers that they can afford to block it and then talk it off.

My preferrence would have been to keep the vig role secret I think, until we actually needed to know it. That could have tricked the scum into using it for their own means, then later we may have caught one of them out. Lost opportunity there. My concer now is that the role could easily be passed around amoung the scum and used by them with the classic "opps I killed another townie, oh well" line. Scum will also have input into any sort of secondary vote that is run, meaning they have a chance to manipulate the vig into killing a townie each night, or manipulate the town into choosing the target they want.

Basically I just see lots of problems that can arise from us knowing who the vig is! But it is done, so we'll work with it. My thoughts are just that we pay close attention to it.

Who what and a who? No idea what this means, my ninja senses are failing me.

No, we shouldn't tell the vig who to shoot. But yes, we should collectively nominate the next vig for tomorrow.

Brickelodeon I can see, but why Zepher? He comes across as fairly middle of the road to me, why the townread?

That's a good question...

I like the logic he's used when he's posted. And Tamo(who's already put his neck out claiming vig) thought he'd be a good choice also. Come to think of it, though, there's a chance there may be some trust stemming from that he's one of the most responsible Heroicans on the sub-board. I may need to rethink my vote, make sure there isn't any influence from that department...

Just for reference, one of the reasons I haven't gotten as strong a read off of you as I'd like is because your posts have tended to be a little on the "agreeing" side, rather than on the "adding new thoughts to the mix" side. Not that that's bad, it just doesn't give me as much to work with.

That's a good question...

I like the logic he's used when he's posted. And Tamo(who's already put his neck out claiming vig) thought he'd be a good choice also. Come to think of it, though, there's a chance there may be some trust stemming from that he's one of the most responsible Heroicans on the sub-board. I may need to rethink my vote, make sure there isn't any influence from that department...

Wait, so you townread him because Tammo does, and because you know him from Heroica? And so you think he should have the vig costume? Instant ping.

Wait, so you townread him because Tammo does, and because you know him from Heroica? And so you think he should have the vig costume? Instant ping.

Yeah, re-reading that now, I realize how stupid those were for reasons... I'm pinging my scum radar reading that.

*are, not were. Wrong tense.

edit: ninja'd by the Joker posting at the same time... however, he's wrong about one thing. Time zones shouldn't be a big issue, since even if we don't have a plan B and just say "only the cleared investigated person can take the helmet" then anyone grabbing it who shouldn't would be obvious scum and lynched the next day. An assigned person is still best though.

Agreed; if we assign someone timelines should not matter.

As for the possible vig target; has anyone given thought to what I said earlier where we could confide our preferred targets to a person who is trusted or confirmed and this person to relay the information to the person holding the vig headgear.

Yeah, re-reading that now, I realize how stupid those were for reasons... I'm pinging my scum radar reading that.

*are, not were. Wrong tense.

So what are your reasons?

edit: ninja'd by the Joker posting at the same time... however, he's wrong about one thing. Time zones shouldn't be a big issue, since even if we don't have a plan B and just say "only the cleared investigated person can take the helmet" then anyone grabbing it who shouldn't would be obvious scum and lynched the next day. An assigned person is still best though.

I'm just not sure I'm totally understanding the system - if it's in the first wave and the investigated person can't get to it in the first 12 hours, wouldn't it be randomly assigned?? I'm overthinking, I think.

I don't want the vig costume. Based on past games, I have a terrible scumdar and I wouldn't trust myself to shoot right. Give it to someone else.

This is another issue. Not only does it have to be someone who's town, but also someone who will kill right (and wants it, for that matter).

I like the logic he's used when he's posted. And Tamo(who's already put his neck out claiming vig) thought he'd be a good choice also. Come to think of it, though, there's a chance there may be some trust stemming from that he's one of the most responsible Heroicans on the sub-board. I may need to rethink my vote, make sure there isn't any influence from that department...

I don't like that you're trying to get on my good side by parroting my reads...

Also, Heroica - what?? Do you have any idea how mafia works?

As for the possible vig target; has anyone given thought to what I said earlier where we could confide our preferred targets to a person who is trusted or confirmed and this person to relay the information to the person holding the vig headgear.

Later on in the game, yeah, that'd be cool. For now, it's all on my shoulders. I won't let you down.