Pelly's Paradise Day Two: Two Wild and Crazy Guys

[Tamamono]

I thought you said earlier that the role could be used by the scum easily, and that it would make sense that that was one of the reasons to lynch you.

I don't recall ever saying that.

I think you may be misconstruing the many times where I said I understood using the investigation as a reason to lynch me...

[Brickelodeon]

Maybe. It just seemed like you said that somewhere.

[mostlytechnic]

I'm going to

Vote: Shadows (shadows)

because frankly, I believe Tammo's logic and think that A. tammo is town B. something hinky (and that's hinky, not hinckley) went on with shadow's activities last night and C. if tammo is town, then shadow's telling lies about the "other cop" makes sense and therefore shadows makes sense as scum

[Lind Whisperer]

First, the only confirmed bulletproof...

We have two confirmed bulletproofs. I am Bulletproof.

Yes it would - whoever has it will be held responsible. I guarantee that if I survive the day and tomorrow night something weird happens with someone's action, I will be out the door immediately.

That's a scum move hiding as town. That is literally the exact definition of locking the barn door after the horse has run away.

You're asking us, after a cop apparently investigated you as scum(who may or may not be insane, but still...), right when you're about to be lynched, to trust you for a full night in the hopes that if you are scum, that you don't do anything?

[JackJonespaw]

I'll Vote: Starlord (Shadows)

I've been really busy the past few days, but from what I can see, Shadows is honestly our best option to unravel this mess known as Night 1. I'm still not totally convinced about Brick's and Tammo's allegiance, but Shadows seems like the best choice for today.

[def]

I'm afraid to tally votes. There's a 90% chance I'll get it wrong.

[Lego Spy]

I'm going to Vote: Starlord (Shadows) as well, because the redirector could be very dangerous in Scum hands, and for his "mistake" he made earlier today.

[Dragonfire]

What possible benefits would lying about a costume to save a buddy have for me?

Because costumes are passed around, a lie would quickly be exposed and both of us would die for it.

I think Stickfig was lying to save his own skin, although he was town. I cannot believe there are two bulletproofs in this game; yet I know Mr Freeze's Coolant is one.

[mostlytechnic]

I'm afraid to tally votes. There's a 90% chance I'll get it wrong.

Well, since you won't do it, here's my current count.

Tammo: 7 votes

Lind: 4 votes

Shadows: 4 votes

In case anyone cares, two people unvoted shadows and 3 people unvoted tammo at various times.

[Lady K]

Well, since you won't do it, here's my current count.

Tammo: 7 votes

Lind: 4 votes

Shadows: 4 votes

In case anyone cares, two people unvoted shadows and 3 people unvoted tammo at various times.

And add to that, Walter voted/ unvoted for three different people. Just an observation.

[Brickelodeon]

As night approaches, I am once again transforming into D*ckelodeon and starting to think that Tammo really is the best lynch. I need to think about this more and read the thread over again.

[mostlytechnic]

As night approaches, I am once again transforming into D*ckelodeon

Quote of the game, right there folks.

[Shadows]

I'm going to Vote: Starlord (Shadows) as well, because the redirector could be very dangerous in Scum hands, and for his "mistake" he made earlier today.

That doesn't make any sense, I'm the one that keeps saying that the redirector is dangerous while Tammo denies it, and he's the one that has it, so lynching me doesn't get rid of it. As for my mistake, I wouldn't have made one if I was scum. Seriously.

[Mencot]

I will take the redirect tomorrow, how does that sound? I know I'm not a "confirmed" townie, but most everyone agrees that I am town.

Vote: Starlord (Shadows)

This is our best option today. Brickelodeon should take the redirect tomorrow.

Actually the redirector needs to go. And D***elodeon should have it, that comment makes you look even more scummy in my eyes.

Guess what (becoming a trend among people after a nights sleep), I had a fear, a nightmare last night.

What if Brickelodeon, Tammo and Shadows are all scum. This is just their game!

I don´t know I still want to trust Tammo so, I will:

Vote: Starlord (Shadows)

[jluck]

Well guys, I don't know about you but I feel pretty lost. It seems like most everyone thinks tamamono is town-ish and yet it's highly likely he's getting lynched. Usually, we go looking for scum, but now we've become distracted by the roles. I know people are worried about which roles will benefit scum, and that's a legitimate concern, but if we don't start catching scum soon, it won't matter which roles we've eliminated cuz the town will be eliminated. I don't have any good answers, especially since Lind is bulletproof, but it seems like we're walking a dangerous line.

[Tamamono]

Well guys, I don't know about you but I feel pretty lost. It seems like most everyone thinks tamamono is town-ish and yet it's highly likely he's getting lynched. Usually, we go looking for scum, but now we've become distracted by the roles. I know people are worried about which roles will benefit scum, and that's a legitimate concern, but if we don't start catching scum soon, it won't matter which roles we've eliminated cuz the town will be eliminated. I don't have any good answers, especially since Lind is bulletproof, but it seems like we're walking a dangerous line.

Exactly. The general consensus is that I'm town, yet I still have 7 votes on me.

I'm not sure what to think of Lind Whisperer - scum or dumb, honestly. But he does have the bulletproof role, and that's one that we want to keep around for town to keep. If the cop is confirmed insane then I can take it, or if I was bus driven then other townies the cop confirms can take it. It's a big win for town and makes scum's job harder.

I'd strongly suggest a Shadows lynch today if you don't want to lynch me. While I think Lind Whisperer is a good option for another day, a vote for him is pretty much a vote for me since it's plurality rule. He redirected the vig without authorization from the town, and that's scummy enough, but then we come to find out that Draggy was the cop and he was the only one he claimed to - and then he shows up dead? Then he reveals the Draggy situation to me because he knows I'll bring it out in public and it'll cast doubt on Brickelodeon and get him lynched when I flip town. And his only argument is that if he were pulling a gambit, "it'd be a lot cleaner than this."

For those who want to actually scum-hunt and help town, the best choice for today is Shadows.

[Bob]

This is so convoluted and ridiculous. Lind Whisperer just seems dumb to me instead of scum and I think we should keep his role.

Unvote: Gandolf (Lind Whisperer)

It's been narrowed down to either Tammo or Shadows, and I don't like the vote on either of them. Both of them appear town to me, but I can still see how both of them could still be scum. Tammo's actions with revealing the vigilante wasn't the brightest idea, but it wasn't exactly a scum move. He could theoretically be pulling an excellent gambit by doing all of this so he can throw out the argument that he's a super townie, which is what he's doing, but I just see revealing the vigilante as more of a townie move. As for Shadows, I don't think he'd reveal the information that he presented earlier in the day. That's not a scummy move either.

I think I might go with my original vote.

Vote: The Joker (Tamamono)

[Tamamono]

It's been narrowed down to either Tammo or Shadows, and I don't like the vote on either of them. Both of them appear town to me, but I can still see how both of them could still be scum. Tammo's actions with revealing the vigilante wasn't the brightest idea, but it wasn't exactly a scum move. He could theoretically be pulling an excellent gambit by doing all of this so he can throw out the argument that he's a super townie, which is what he's doing, but I just see revealing the vigilante as more of a townie move. As for Shadows, I don't think he'd reveal the information that he presented earlier in the day. That's not a scummy move either.

I understand the spot you're in. Today sucks. However, when you consider what Shadows and I have done, what is the payoff for me revealing the vig? Only what you said, that I can claim to be a "super townie." That argument, however, can be applied to everyone (Shadows included). If I had not been redirected and had killed a scum last night, could I still be scum gambiting so that I could say I was a "super townie?" At some point, it gets infinitely regressive. At the end of the day, the revealing of the vig was a town move (although, in hindsight, not the brightest idea), and nobody would have blamed me if I had kept it hidden. After what happened in Bloodbrick II with the scum keeping ahold of the vigilante role, I could have wreaked havoc on this town, but since I'm town, I outed it to prevent that from happening.

Shadows' actions can seem town - I see where you're coming from. However, his revealing of the information has not only the payoff of him being "super town" but that it sets up Brickelodeon for a big fall when I flip town. I mean, really, you tell me - if I had been lynched and my affiliation revealed, thus proving that this cop result wasn't right, would you have believed Brickelodeon's claim when there was another cop claim who was dead? Of course not.

Plus, he clearly only claimed the redirector when it was becoming clear that Walter didn't steal my action - I had gotten the redirector (out of panic when I thought I was the victim of a gambit, I might reiterate), and I would have put two and two together pretty quickly if he hadn't told me he had redirected me. I think that his claim that he redirected me to Mencot was a genuine slip-up, and that he backtracked because it became clear that someone was lying (and it was him).

While I'm fine with being lynched if there are legitimate reasons, I am strongly against being a "meh, might as well" lynch. I joined this game to be a background player for once, but I've gotten myself in shoulders deep, and I'm not about to let myself and my town go down with a shrug. If you think we're both townie (and you keep saying the vig reveal wasn't a scum move, so I can tell that you see the truth about me) then look again at what we've done and see that while his actions may seem town on the surface, they're really not.

[Shadows]

However, when you consider what Shadows and I have done, what is the payoff for me revealing the vig?

What was the benefit of me revealing anything? To try to help the town. Unlike you, I didn't run to the topic and give away our most important role, nor did I think you would run here to reveal the loss of a cop (Draggy). I tried to open a private discussion with you. I had hoped to make some sense of things before deciding how to reveal what I knew, but you ran straight here trying to save yourself from the scum result against you.

To put the whole day in perspective, let's consider how I would have played this as scum. It's pretty simple, really, I would have kept my mouth shut, claimed the redirect was stolen or that I didn't know who to use it on and didn't, thrown around some real confusion and set up a few people to look guilty later. I also wouldn't want you lynched, I'd want that redirector role to survive, much like you seem to.

Instead, I want us to take out the redirector, keeping the scum from utilizing what is honestly a game breaking role, while discovering the truth about the outstanding cop claim against you. In the long run, that would save town lives, not take more.

I don't claim to be a "super townie", whatever the hell that even is, I'm just a townie who randomly picked an item with a dangerous potential on day 1 and a useless one on day 2. I found it incredibly coincidental that you'd end up with 2 major roles in a row, and especially interesting that you grabbed mine when someone went against the agreement and picked the one you were supposed to take. The fact that Brickelodeon then claimed cop and says you're scum and that's being ignored has left me a lot of questions that could be answered by lynching you, while at the same time removing a dangerous role from the game. At this point, anyone who argues against that registers as scum in my mind. If, while I'm sleeping, the vote reverses and I die, I will come up town and no questions will have been answered and the overall day will have been a loss for the town and they still won't know what to do with you tomorrow, or what to think of Brickelodeon's claim, or how to stop the redirector and vig. The town can't lynch everyone who grabs an item out of order, or control all of the possibilities for their uses, but taking out the one that can't possibly help them would be a major improvement to the situation.

Shadows' actions can seem town - I see where you're coming from. However, his revealing of the information has not only the payoff of him being "super town" but that it sets up Brickelodeon for a big fall when I flip town. I mean, really, you tell me - if I had been lynched and my affiliation revealed, thus proving that this cop result wasn't right, would you have believed Brickelodeon's claim when there was another cop claim who was dead? Of course not.

This just makes no sense to me at all. First, no one is confirmed town and even when they are, it can't be relied on. Bloodbrick 2 had a conversion. Don't forget that. I used it on someone who was confirmed and then we wiped the town clean. That's how it works. Whether I live out the day or not, do not forget this point and do not ever trust anyone to be town based on anything previous. If I was scum and had a conversion to work with in this, guess who it would be. You, the laughably towniest of town.

While I'm fine with being lynched if there are legitimate reasons, I am strongly against being a "meh, might as well" lynch.

Not one person has taken the "meh, might as well" approach, this is about testing the sanity of the cop who claims you're scum and removing a dangerous role from the game, a role you still want to claim isn't important. While I can't say that you're scum, you're definitely not promoting the best interests of the town. The vig reveal was debatable but this denial about the redirector proves it. If I thought that dying would help the town, I'd lead the vote against myself, but it won't. If I am lynched, what will my town alignment tell anyone? What questions will it answer? Hell, it won't even guarantee that you're scum, but what will happen is the town will have all the same questions as today and a role to deal with, one that could be removed now.

To the vig: If you're town and they foolishly decide to end the day without dealing with the redirector, try to kill him. If you succeed, you'll have helped the town tremendously. Let something good come out of this day.

Last note, my role, the one attached to the Lone Ranger's hat ... Cupid's Arrow. I pick two people, one to be madly in love with the other. You've seen it's effects today. Absolutely useless but amusing. I hope I get to use it tonight.

[Mencot]

I understand the spot you're in. Today sucks. However, when you consider what Shadows and I have done, what is the payoff for me revealing the vig? Only what you said, that I can claim to be a "super townie." That argument, however, can be applied to everyone (Shadows included). If I had not been redirected and had killed a scum last night, could I still be scum gambiting so that I could say I was a "super townie?" At some point, it gets infinitely regressive. At the end of the day, the revealing of the vig was a town move (although, in hindsight, not the brightest idea), and nobody would have blamed me if I had kept it hidden. After what happened in Bloodbrick II with the scum keeping ahold of the vigilante role, I could have wreaked havoc on this town, but since I'm town, I outed it to prevent that from happening.

Shadows' actions can seem town - I see where you're coming from. However, his revealing of the information has not only the payoff of him being "super town" but that it sets up Brickelodeon for a big fall when I flip town. I mean, really, you tell me - if I had been lynched and my affiliation revealed, thus proving that this cop result wasn't right, would you have believed Brickelodeon's claim when there was another cop claim who was dead? Of course not.

Plus, he clearly only claimed the redirector when it was becoming clear that Walter didn't steal my action - I had gotten the redirector (out of panic when I thought I was the victim of a gambit, I might reiterate), and I would have put two and two together pretty quickly if he hadn't told me he had redirected me. I think that his claim that he redirected me to Mencot was a genuine slip-up, and that he backtracked because it became clear that someone was lying (and it was him).

~

What was the benefit of me revealing anything? To try to help the town. Unlike you, I didn't run to the topic and give away our most important role, nor did I think you would run here to reveal the loss of a cop (Draggy). I tried to open a private discussion with you. I had hoped to make some sense of things before deciding how to reveal what I knew, but you ran straight here trying to save yourself from the scum result against you.

~

Last note, my role, the one attached to the Lone Ranger's hat ... Cupid's Arrow. I pick two people, one to be madly in love with the other. You've seen it's effects today. Absolutely useless but amusing. I hope I get to use it tonight.

There we had two, very long... hmm testimonies. From two very experienced players, both are very convincing of their case.

What do we think of this, I don´t know. I am a bit confused. I am gonna let my vote stand on Shadow.

There are things I wonder about, in what happened last night and how it was handled this morning.

But one thing is that I have started to get a clue why I didn´t die last night, speculation ofcourse but i think, I know what the real reason was.

And Thanks Jluck for the Cupid´s arrow. Awesome

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

Not one person has taken the "meh, might as well" approach, this is about testing the sanity of the cop who claims you're scum and removing a dangerous role from the game, a role you still want to claim isn't important. While I can't say that you're scum, you're definitely not promoting the best interests of the town. The vig reveal was debatable but this denial about the redirector proves it. If I thought that dying would help the town, I'd lead the vote against myself, but it won't. If I am lynched, what will my town alignment tell anyone? What questions will it answer? Hell, it won't even guarantee that you're scum, but what will happen is the town will have all the same questions as today and a role to deal with, one that could be removed now.

To the vig: If you're town and they foolishly decide to end the day without dealing with the redirector, try to kill him. If you succeed, you'll have helped the town tremendously. Let something good come out of this day.

Im getting frustrated at this

I cannot believe people are willing to look over this

We have an investifation resukt

The only way to check said result

Is to Kill Tammo

We can verify the cop in doing so

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS TOWN

Your willingness to follow potential scum makes me frown

We must lynch Tammo

In order to know

SNIP

Last note, my role, the one attached to the Lone Ranger's hat ... Cupid's Arrow. I pick two people, one to be madly in love with the other. You've seen it's effects today. Absolutely useless but amusing. I hope I get to use it tonight.

Thanks for that!

Were you aware of Mencot and I's little spat?

Mencot is amazing

I'm starting to find this less amusing

SNIP

And Thanks Jluck for the Cupid´s arrow. Awesome

I have a feeling I can predict

The person he has picked

[Lego Spy]

I'm going to Vote: Starlord (Shadows) as well, because the redirector could be very dangerous in Scum hands, and for his "mistake" he made earlier today.

That doesn't make any sense, I'm the one that keeps saying that the redirector is dangerous while Tammo denies it, and he's the one that has it, so lynching me doesn't get rid of it. As for my mistake, I wouldn't have made one if I was scum. Seriously.

Yeah, ah... I'm feeling pretty stupid at the moment. I was rushed last night, and I voted for you because I thought you had the redirector.

Now that I understand the actual circumstances, I'm going to Unvote: Starlord (Shadows), and Vote: Joker (Tamamono).

[Brickelodeon]

Well Tammo, it looks like I started the bandwagon a little too well. Someone has been PMing with me and D*ckelodeon, and we are considering voting for you again. My one issue with re-voting for you is how townie-like you act. I wouldn't be voting for the person who I thought was scummiest, I would be voting to test a theory and get rid of a harmful costume piece. Still, testing this theory and getting rid of that harmful costume piece are good enough reasons to lynch I would say.

I am going to keep my vote on Lind for now, he really has done nothing to defend himself but post fluff and stop talking. Seems like he is trying to get out of hot water without even trying.

[Tamamono]

What was the benefit of me revealing anything? To try to help the town. Unlike you, I didn't run to the topic and give away our most important role, nor did I think you would run here to reveal the loss of a cop (Draggy). I tried to open a private discussion with you. I had hoped to make some sense of things before deciding how to reveal what I knew, but you ran straight here trying to save yourself from the scum result against you.

Don't make me laugh. Everything would have been revealed eventually - I would have quickly put two and two together and realized I had been redirected, and who was to say Draggy didn't claim to someone else. You can say you were trying to help the town by revealing things, but you were really just trying to save your own skin.

And honestly, knowing what we've lost helps town. There was no way I wasn't going to reveal it.

To put the whole day in perspective, let's consider how I would have played this as scum. It's pretty simple, really, I would have kept my mouth shut, claimed the redirect was stolen or that I didn't know who to use it on and didn't, thrown around some real confusion and set up a few people to look guilty later. I also wouldn't want you lynched, I'd want that redirector role to survive, much like you seem to.

Oh, right, because we're supposed to believe how you "would have played this." You were scum in BBII, and the scum there messed up by trying to keep everything secret. It worked out okay in the end, but I doubt you'd make the same mistake twice.

If you had lied, it would have come out pretty quickly. DD claiming that her action was stolen would have meant that one of you was lying, and everyone would have assumed it was you.

And once again, now that the role's out in the open, it's practically useless.

Not one person has taken the "meh, might as well" approach, this is about testing the sanity of the cop who claims you're scum and removing a dangerous role from the game, a role you still want to claim isn't important. While I can't say that you're scum, you're definitely not promoting the best interests of the town. The vig reveal was debatable but this denial about the redirector proves it. If I thought that dying would help the town, I'd lead the vote against myself, but it won't. If I am lynched, what will my town alignment tell anyone? What questions will it answer? Hell, it won't even guarantee that you're scum, but what will happen is the town will have all the same questions as today and a role to deal with, one that could be removed now.

Literally everyone has come in here, said "well, I think he's town, but the role.... meh, might as well."

Your lynch gets us scum, period. Rather than beating around the bush for reveals or roles or whatever, let's go for the heart of the issue and lynch scum.

Well Tammo, it looks like I started the bandwagon a little too well. Someone has been PMing with me and D*ckelodeon, and we are considering voting for you again. My one issue with re-voting for you is how townie-like you act. I wouldn't be voting for the person who I thought was scummiest, I would be voting to test a theory and get rid of a harmful costume piece. Still, testing this theory and getting rid of that harmful costume piece are good enough reasons to lynch I would say.

I am going to keep my vote on Lind for now, he really has done nothing to defend himself but post fluff and stop talking. Seems like he is trying to get out of hot water without even trying.

Well, you aren't a dick for wanting to act on your investigation result, but you're definitely wrong. My role is not dangerous - how on earth could scum use it now that I've revealed it? As for the investigation result, we've already established that there is a chance you're insane, and an even bigger one that I was bus driven because I was so out front about everything.

All of these things can be tampered with, can be faulty, etc. - the only thing you can rely on are my words. You and many others have stated that you believe me to be town. I'm sure you can see how silly it is to lynch someone who you have many times said is likely to be town.

I realize I'm being lynched today, but for what? Worst case scenario is that the cop was bus driven, and my death only creates more confusion; as for the role, it just takes out of circulation something scum can't really use anymore anyway.

I wish Lind Whisperer didn't have the bulletproof role, because that's one we need to keep in the game. Brickelodeon, you said it yourself - you're fine with lynching any of the three of us. I've been making my case all day, and practically every word Shadows speaks just makes it for me. The right choice here is clear, if you want to choose it.

[fhomess]

I seriously doubteth that there is a bus driver and a redirector. Thou hath latched on to every possible notion that may clear thyself without really trying to determine if any of them meet the demands of scrutiny. Thou hath done the same with thy accusations. Thou didst throw names around in hopes that others would agree. Thou hath responded solely to those accusations against thee which are easiest to rebut with half-truths.

Vote: Joker (Tamamono)