Dragonfire Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 OK, just got WiFi again. Rereading everything right now.
mostlytechnic Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 OK, just got WiFi again. Rereading everything right now. Here, I'll summarize. Tammo is maybe scum, maybe town. Has a bunch of votes on him both to test the cop and eliminate the costume, but seems like most of them actually think he's town. Lind, getting some votes too. And shadows, he maybe lied about the other cop and stuff. Lots of fighting, but save yourself the stress and just vote #TeamLynchShadows.
Brickelodeon Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Brickelodeon, you said it yourself - you're fine with lynching any of the three of us. I've been making my case all day, and practically every word Shadows speaks just makes it for me. The right choice here is clear, if you want to choose it. Just what do you want me to do? Vote for Shadows? I can't save you now, and even if I could, that would just make it look like we are scum buddies. If you really are town, you will have to be content with the fact that Shadows and Lind will be even under more scrutiny tomorrow when you flip townie. By dying, you are giving the town an investigator and taking away a harmful role from the scum. As much as you deny it, the role you have needs to be destroyed. The scum can use it infinitely to their advantage. Saying that it isn't dangerous just makes you look suspicious. And, we must not forget, you did come up scum to an investigation. I'm sorry, but it is too late for you. At least we can part like this, peacefully, instead of doing it in a way that would leave behind a history of rivalry. (such as with Bob and def). Farewell. I will keep my vote on Lind to retain neutrality.
def Posted April 10, 2015 Author Posted April 10, 2015 (such as with Bob and def) Bob has never been my rival.
Lady K Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Well guys, I don't know about you but I feel pretty lost. It seems like most everyone thinks tamamono is town-ish and yet it's highly likely he's getting lynched. Usually, we go looking for scum, but now we've become distracted by the roles. I know people are worried about which roles will benefit scum, and that's a legitimate concern, but if we don't start catching scum soon, it won't matter which roles we've eliminated cuz the town will be eliminated. I don't have any good answers, especially since Lind is bulletproof, but it seems like we're walking a dangerous line. Look at it this way. If the investigative results are sane vs. insane then Tamamono is scum and we are getting rid of something scum would really want to keep. If the results are proven insane, then as a loyal town he has taken something of value away from the scum team and helped town. I really thought he was town, up until recently. The more he keeps saying the redirector can't be misused or it can be kept in town, the more he is making himself look very scummy because scum really would want to keep it. I know from experience on the other side just how useful this is to a scum team, it really has to go. Just what do you want me to do? Vote for Shadows? I can't save you now, and even if I could, that would just make it look like we are scum buddies. If you really are town, you will have to be content with the fact that Shadows and Lind will be even under more scrutiny tomorrow when you flip townie. By dying, you are giving the town an investigator and taking away a harmful role from the scum. As much as you deny it, the role you have needs to be destroyed. The scum can use it infinitely to their advantage. Saying that it isn't dangerous just makes you look suspicious. And, we must not forget, you did come up scum to an investigation. I'm sorry, but it is too late for you. At least we can part like this, peacefully, instead of doing it in a way that would leave behind a history of rivalry. (such as with Bob and def). Farewell. I will keep my vote on Lind to retain neutrality. This post and your previous where you are apologizing for setting up the bandwagon 'a little too well' really makes you look like the two of you are scum buddies. Remaining neutral (in your words) by keeping your vote on Lind Whisperer really sets you up for scrutiny yourself tomorrow. Lind Whisperer may or may not be scum, but other than being noobish (this is only his second game, if I am correct) he really hasn't done anything as scummy looking as others have.
mostlytechnic Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Just what do you want me to do? Vote for Shadows? I can't save you now, and even if I could, that would just make it look like we are scum buddies Hey, I want you to vote shadows like me. There's NO WAY anyone is going to accuse you and tamo of being scum buddies if he flips scum. But a few votes could change the outcome. Sure, it's 10-3-4 right now (tamo-lind-shadows), but I've seen bigger lynch changes. If you're really interested in saving tamo now, DO IT. And frankly, I think you're town and the vigorous arguing between you to is also making me lean town on him. It's not 100% or anything, but seems like every time two people get in a "fight" in a mafia game, it turns out to be 2 townies fighting. That's what makes it so vigorous, both are nitpicking little details trying to build their case and not taking a step back to look at the bigger picture.
Brickelodeon Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 This post and your previous where you are apologizing for setting up the bandwagon 'a little too well' really makes you look like the two of you are scum buddies. Remaining neutral (in your words) by keeping your vote on Lind Whisperer really sets you up for scrutiny yourself tomorrow. Lind Whisperer may or may not be scum, but other than being noobish (this is only his second game, if I am correct) he really hasn't done anything as scummy looking as others have. What the hell? Why would I apologize to him in the main thread if we were scum buddies? If were truly were scum buddies, I would keep on persuing Tammo's lynch and then say how townie I was the next day when he flipped scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't be wanting to set myself up for scrutiny tomorrow... This post doesn't make sense, I'm scum because I'm not acting scummy? You're really starting to piss me off with all of your accusing PMs and your persistence on illogical details. We all agree that I am town except you. I don't think you are scum, but it's getting to the point where I wouldn't mind if the scum killed you... I'm sure you will use this post as more "evidence" of my scummines, but I'm just telling the truth here.
Bob Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 (such as with Bob and def). I hate breaking character, but I'd like to echo def in saying that I don't have a rivalry with anyone, especially not him. I don't know where people are getting this from.
Lady K Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Hey, I want you to vote shadows like me. There's NO WAY anyone is going to accuse you and tamo of being scum buddies if he flips scum. But a few votes could change the outcome. Sure, it's 10-3-4 right now (tamo-lind-shadows), but I've seen bigger lynch changes. If you're really interested in saving tamo now, DO IT. And frankly, I think you're town and the vigorous arguing between you to is also making me lean town on him. It's not 100% or anything, but seems like every time two people get in a "fight" in a mafia game, it turns out to be 2 townies fighting. That's what makes it so vigorous, both are nitpicking little details trying to build their case and not taking a step back to look at the bigger picture. You may be correct here. But you do have to consider that they may be trying to put distance between them by fighting in thread. We have seen that in previous games. Just a thought. But I still think its best to keep the lynch where it is. What the hell? Why would I apologize to him in the main thread if we were scum buddies? If were truly were scum buddies, I would keep on persuing Tammo's lynch and then say how townie I was the next day when he flipped scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't be wanting to set myself up for scrutiny tomorrow... This post doesn't make sense, I'm scum because I'm not acting scummy? You're really starting to piss me off with all of your accusing PMs and your persistence on illogical details. We all agree that I am town except you. I don't think you are scum, but it's getting to the point where I wouldn't mind if the scum killed you... I'm sure you will use this post as more "evidence" of my scummines, but I'm just telling the truth here. I believe you would apologize in thread to distance yourself from him and his lynch, regardless of alignment, to appear towny. If he is scum, well you have put your vote on someone with very little evidence as scum as opposed to the other two choices. If he is town, then you have vigorously set up his lynch, then backed off completely without really trying as vigorously to stop the lynch. As for the thread and PMs, you have no reason to be pissed off. This is a game, a fun game. I question you to get you to think things through. No detail is illogical when analyzing behaviors to find scum. And I still don't understand how on just Day 2 you continue to believe that everyone agrees you are town. It is way too soon for that kind of trust. You have not been cleared confirmed town by an investigation. I am an active player. Saying you wouldn't mind scum killing me is not a towny thing to do. A quiet town always helps scum more than town.
Dragonfire Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Could the flavor cop tell us if the cop is insane/paranoid? I asked him this. He checked with def and def told him that he could not, unfortunately. As night approaches, I am once again transforming into D*ckelodeon You're a werewolf ?? I am going to keep my vote on Lind for now, he really has done nothing to defend himself but post fluff and stop talking. Seems like he is trying to get out of hot water without even trying. You would rather keep your vote on a random n00b instead of vote for the guy who you set up to be lynched? This looks awfully like you're trying to evade responsibility for the lynch. As for the investigation result, we've already established that there is a chance you're insane, and an even bigger one that I was bus driven because I was so out front about everything. Isn't a Bus Driver the same as a Redirector? There's almost a 0% chance that there are both a Redirector and a Bus Driver in this game. Here, I'll summarize. Tammo is maybe scum, maybe town. Has a bunch of votes on him both to test the cop and eliminate the costume, but seems like most of them actually think he's town. Lind, getting some votes too. And shadows, he maybe lied about the other cop and stuff. Lots of fighting, but save yourself the stress and just vote #TeamLynchShadows. Thanks, mostly. What the hell? Why would I apologize to him in the main thread if we were scum buddies? If were truly were scum buddies, I would keep on persuing Tammo's lynch and then say how townie I was the next day when he flipped scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't be wanting to set myself up for scrutiny tomorrow... This post doesn't make sense, I'm scum because I'm not acting scummy? Yes, I do agree. We all agree that I am town except you. Excuse me? In no way are you confirmed town. Until the cop clears you, or there is some definitive evidence to support your towniness, I am not completely trusting anyone. I believe you would apologize in thread to distance yourself from him and his lynch, regardless of alignment, to appear towny. If he is scum, well you have put your vote on someone with very little evidence as scum as opposed to the other two choices. If he is town, then you have vigorously set up his lynch, then backed off completely without really trying as vigorously to stop the lynch. Can you please clarify who you are referring to? Tammo or Lind? Overall, my vote stands. I think that if Tammo is town, his lynch would give us more information and help town more than Shadows' lynch if he was town.
Tamamono Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 I think you're all making a big mistake. There's no information my lynch can give you if I was bus driven, and if the cop is insane it's still more valuable to lynch scum. It seems the tide is turning against me now. I'll accept it if that's what everyone wants, but at the end of the day, everything I've said still stands, and the right choice is to lynch scum - whether it's Lind Whisperer or Shadows.
Dragonfire Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 I think you're all making a big mistake. There's no information my lynch can give you if I was bus driven, and if the cop is insane it's still more valuable to lynch scum. It seems the tide is turning against me now. I'll accept it if that's what everyone wants, but at the end of the day, everything I've said still stands, and the right choice is to lynch scum - whether it's Lind Whisperer or Shadows. Look. There is no bus driver, since we have a redirector. Stop using this as an excuse. If you flip town, we'll look at the other two more closely tomorrow; Lind won't be bulletproof then.
mostlytechnic Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Look. There is no bus driver, since we have a redirector. Stop using this as an excuse. Well, I learned something today. I assumed a bus driver was a framer, not a redirector. Then I went over to the mafiascum wiki and learned I was wrong :) So no, there's not going to be a bus driver (which switches two targets) and a redirector (switches who someone targets). However, assuming tammo meant a framer (which is what I assumed he meant, and made sense in the context of him trying to explain why he's in trouble), if the scum had a framer costume, I'm 100% sure they would have targeted tammo last night since the investigators were certain to check him out)
Shadows Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Don't make me laugh. Everything would have been revealed eventually - I would have quickly put two and two together and realized I had been redirected, and who was to say Draggy didn't claim to someone else. You can say you were trying to help the town by revealing things, but you were really just trying to save your own skin. 1. Eventually is a far cry from immediately. There are still things we don't know yet, including the possibility that there is a second redirector or some other form of one, just like having two bulletproofs. All day you've pushed the cop/insane cop thing, but that's all you think could be duplicated because it's the only one that helps you. 2. Draggy only talked to me. He didn't even have time to get back to vote and to be a little blunt, he barely knew anyone in this game and certainly wasn't taking the time to actively participate. He didn't write anyone, I have no doubt of this. I think he was killed because he was a veteran player and that pretty much takes another veteran to recognise. 3. You're the only one that revealed anything thinking it would help you. Oh, right, because we're supposed to believe how you "would have played this." You were scum in BBII, and the scum there messed up by trying to keep everything secret. So that's why you're revealing everything, you think the scum messed up in BB2 by trying to keep everything secret. And once again, now that the role's out in the open, it's practically useless. You keep saying that. The redirector role needs to die. You grabbed it after the weird situation with Brickelodeon. You can't blame me for that. Well, you can try, but it would be stupid.
Dragonfire Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Well, I learned something today. I assumed a bus driver was a framer, not a redirector. Then I went over to the mafiascum wiki and learned I was wrong :) So no, there's not going to be a bus driver (which switches two targets) and a redirector (switches who someone targets). However, assuming tammo meant a framer (which is what I assumed he meant, and made sense in the context of him trying to explain why he's in trouble), if the scum had a framer costume, I'm 100% sure they would have targeted tammo last night since the investigators were certain to check him out) Do you seriously think Pelly would include a costume which only benefits scum? Framer is of no use to town. I doubt scum have any abilities other than kill (maybe conversion though). They might have had a framer... 1. Eventually is a far cry from immediately. There are still things we don't know yet, including the possibility that there is a second redirector or some other form of one, just like having two bulletproofs. All day you've pushed the cop/insane cop thing, but that's all you think could be duplicated because it's the only one that helps you. Two redirectors is absurd. So are two bulletproofs. All I can think of is that Stickfig was lying to save himself, although he was town. However, two cops with differing sanities is quite plausible.
mostlytechnic Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Do you seriously think Pelly would include a costume which only benefits scum? Framer is of no use to town. I doubt scum have any abilities other than kill (maybe conversion though). They might have had a framer... Point taken, framer is a completely one-sided role and very unlikely to be here.
Dragonfire Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Point taken, framer is a completely one-sided role and very unlikely to be here. Don't completely rule it out. There is almost definitely no framer costume, but the scum might have a framer as one of their abilities.
mostlytechnic Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 True. But are the scum really likely to have abilities beyond the costumes? (obviously, a kill, but more than that?) With this many abilities bouncing around I just don't see them having more.
def Posted April 11, 2015 Author Posted April 11, 2015 Vote Tally Tammo 10 (Shadows, Dragonfire, Piratedave, Zepher, Darkdragon, Lind Whisperer, Lady K, Bob, Lego Spy, fhomess) Shadows 4 (Tamamono, mostlytechnic, JackJonespaw, Mencot) Lind Whisperer 3 (Walter Kovacs, jluck, Brickelodeon) An hour and 20 minutes left, everyone has voted. Feel free to start sending in actions if you like.
def Posted April 11, 2015 Author Posted April 11, 2015 Day ends with a Tammo lynch. Vote Tally Tammo 10 (Shadows, Dragonfire, Piratedave, Zepher, Darkdragon, Lind Whisperer, Lady K, Bob, Lego Spy, fhomess) Shadows 4 (Tamamono, mostlytechnic, JackJonespaw, Mencot) Lind Whisperer 3 (Walter Kovacs, jluck, Brickelodeon)
def Posted April 11, 2015 Author Posted April 11, 2015 Tammo makes his final pleas to the crowd. "There are better choices! Look at the options!" The crowd, on the whole, isn't buying it. "Now now, lets go gentle into the night dear Tammo," def chimes in. "Pelly is here, and he has selected a special costume to take you away!" Tammo gives out a squeal, "The Immortal Iron Fist? The Dragon of K'un-L'un?!" Pelly places a hand on Tammo's shoulder and proceeds to pound him with an unbelievable speed and damage. The sheer brute force of it all disintegrates Tammo, leaving only his costume as a second trophy for his home. Pelly has only this to say: "..."
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