Dragonfire Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Hang on, hang on, if Tammo is scum, then does this mean that he's lying about War Machine's helmet and what it does? Because when he claimed vig on Day 1, it was generally accepted that that was a very "towny" (if that's a word) move. Was that a ploy to keep him in the game? This is all assuming that Brick's "cop" isn't insane, of course. I'm not sold on any allegiance yet, but it's just a thought. Nah, I doubt Tammo would lie about a costume as scum or town. The lie could be very easily revealed today, when someone else dons the vigilante helmet. Which leads to the next part. I thought you were suspicious enough yesterday that I came to the conclusion that I should use it on you, hoping you were scum and I'd actually save a townie. Who did I pick as your new target? Mencot, who I voted for yesterday. This is going to get interesting. Oh, OK. But your action didn't work either? Why was there a third figure with Draggy and TinyPies then? The flavour and pictures seemed to strongly indicate that Figure #3 also targeted one of the dead players.
Shadows Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Why did they kill Draggy? He had a 4 vote penalty on him, how stupid was he as a target? But what if Shadows is scum, and redirected the cops action (used on Tammo, who we will hypothesize as being town) onto a real scum. If Tammo turns up town, we should look VERY closely at Shadows, since we know he was able to redirect last night. Unless I don't understand the role I had, if I had somehow guessed who the cop was and redirected them, they would still be told the person they actually investigated, not just the results from someone else. Am I wrong here? Oh, OK. But your action didn't work either? He's still alive, so it couldn't have.
Dragonfire Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 What if Walter was scum, stole Shadows' redirection ability, and redirected Tammo to one of the kills? That would explain it. Or what if he stole Tammo's kill ability and used it on one of the kills, rendering the redirection useless? I'm inclined to believe that people are telling the truth about their costumes, since it would be stupid to lie. So here's what we have so far: Vig Redirector Thief Bulletproof Cop (Insane or Normal) Trickster (possibly, since Walter is speaking in poetry)
Darkdragon Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I can confirm Walter stole my action and knew what it did, so I am sure he wasn't lying about having stolen it.
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I can confirm Walter stole my action and knew what it did, so I am sure he wasn't lying about having stolen it. Then what happened? Shadows' action can't have worked, because Mencot is still alive (and who would protect Mencot?).
Bob Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 1. Iron Patriot's Helmet mostlytechnic 2. Flash's Lightning Cowl Brickelodeon 3. The Lone Ranger's White Hat Shadows 4. Captain Jack's CrowWalter Kovacs 5. Egon's Proton Pack Tamamono 6. Mr. Freeze's Coolant Lind Whisperer 7. Magneto's Super Awesome Helmet Lego Spy 8. Joker's Silly Green Hair Bob 9. Indy Jone's Fedora JackJonespaw
Dragonfire Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Why did they kill Draggy? He had a 4 vote penalty on him, how stupid was he as a target? One word: Fear-killing. Unless I don't understand the role I had, if I had somehow guessed who the cop was and redirected them, they would still be told the person they actually investigated, not just the results from someone else. Am I wrong here? I think what Blackbeard is trying to say is: Shadows/scum redirects Cop's action on Tammo/town to Random Scum. Cop receives the report that Tammo is scum.
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Shadows/scum redirects Cop's action on Tammo/town to Random Scum. Cop receives the report that Tammo is scum. This is possible. Maybe Shadows redirected the cop after all...
def Posted April 8, 2015 Author Posted April 8, 2015 All the costumes have been taken. The second round will open in 10.5 hours or so.
Darkdragon Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Then what happened? Shadows' action can't have worked, because Mencot is still alive (and who would protect Mencot?). I have no idea. Maybe Shadows was blocked metagame style? Neither of you claims to have targeted tpru or draggy so does that mean there are 4 kills possible? Could there be another redirect or something even more obscure?
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I have no idea. Maybe Shadows was blocked metagame style? Neither of you claims to have targeted tpru or draggy so does that mean there are 4 kills possible? Could there be another redirect or something even more obscure? If there's a 4th killer, it'd have to be nontown, and that's stacked against us. If scum has two killers or there's two SKs, that'd be unfair. And then there can't be a second vig, or else they would have spoken up...
Darkdragon Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 I'm not saying it makes sense but either do the results. Someone must be lying if there are only 3,kills. Other options are misweighted game and host mistake. 4 possible kills does seem excessive.
Bob Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Speaking of the vigilante, we should probably try and decide who will get the costume today so that it's not taken by someone who shouldn't take it. Since the cop investigated Tammo, we don't know of any confirmed townie, which is a bit of a shame. We can also explore the possibility that Brickelodeon's cop is scum. The cop is a costume. What if it was taken by the scum yesterday?
Shadows Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 This is possible. Maybe Shadows redirected the cop after all... It's worse than that, sort of. When my PM came in for today's selection, I reread what I did last night and realise that I've screwed up. Yesterday, when I voted for Mencot, I did that partially in hopes of seeing someone come to his defense. I took TPRU's questioning of my reasons as that defense and somewhere in the back of my mind, I was thinking of him when I sent my action. That means I got TPRU killed and makes half of this discussion useless. Honestly, it might be best to just kill me today. My hat is useless and clearly my attention span is as well, so nothing of value will be lost. I'm sincerely sorry. It still doesn't answer some of the mysteries of the day, like whether or not I'm the third figure as the redirector, but it does at least identify which kill is which, I guess.
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Speaking of the vigilante, we should probably try and decide who will get the costume today so that it's not taken by someone who shouldn't take it. Since the cop investigated Tammo, we don't know of any confirmed townie, which is a bit of a shame. We can also explore the possibility that Brickelodeon's cop is scum. The cop is a costume. What if it was taken by the scum yesterday? Well, if it really is an insane cop, there should be a sane cop too, who hopefully has a town result. If Brickelodeon's cop is scum, then that simplifies that. It's worse than that, sort of. When my PM came in for today's selection, I reread what I did last night and realise that I've screwed up. Yesterday, when I voted for Mencot, I did that partially in hopes of seeing someone come to his defense. I took TPRU's questioning of my reasons as that defense and somewhere in the back of my mind, I was thinking of him when I sent my action. That means I got TPRU killed and makes half of this discussion useless. Honestly, it might be best to just kill me today. My hat is useless and clearly my attention span is as well, so nothing of value will be lost. I'm sincerely sorry. It still doesn't answer some of the mysteries of the day, like whether or not I'm the third figure as the redirector, but it does at least identify which kill is which, I guess. What?? So you did redirect me to TinyPies?
Shadows Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 What?? So you did redirect me to TinyPies? I was so friggin' sure until I read it again.
jluck Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Wow, what a weird night. I just got caught up. I'm not saying it makes sense but either do the results. Someone must be lying if there are only 3,kills. Other options are misweighted game and host mistake. 4 possible kills does seem excessive. After reading through everything, I think this sums it up well. 4 kills would seem really excessive, so I'm inclined to think we have some well-played redirecting going on. Here's my current inclination, both tamamono and Brickelodeon are town leans. They've both put themselves far too out there...really risky territory for a scumo. So something has to give. Itd make sense that anyone with a redirect ability would target tamamono (guys, we've been a bit loose revealing roles I fear). Tamamono made no secret what his role was so scum could easily target it. I'm still puzzling over the cop result. Could be an insane cop, but I'm not convinced. It's worse than that, sort of. When my PM came in for today's selection, I reread what I did last night and realise that I've screwed up. Yesterday, when I voted for Mencot, I did that partially in hopes of seeing someone come to his defense. I took TPRU's questioning of my reasons as that defense and somewhere in the back of my mind, I was thinking of him when I sent my action. That means I got TPRU killed and makes half of this discussion useless. Honestly, it might be best to just kill me today. My hat is useless and clearly my attention span is as well, so nothing of value will be lost. I'm sincerely sorry. It still doesn't answer some of the mysteries of the day, like whether or not I'm the third figure as the redirector, but it does at least identify which kill is which, I guess. Oh...
Mencot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 It's worse than that, sort of. When my PM came in for today's selection, I reread what I did last night and realise that I've screwed up. Yesterday, when I voted for Mencot, I did that partially in hopes of seeing someone come to his defense. I took TPRU's questioning of my reasons as that defense and somewhere in the back of my mind, I was thinking of him when I sent my action. That means I got TPRU killed and makes half of this discussion useless. Honestly, it might be best to just kill me today. My hat is useless and clearly my attention span is as well, so nothing of value will be lost. I'm sincerely sorry. It still doesn't answer some of the mysteries of the day, like whether or not I'm the third figure as the redirector, but it does at least identify which kill is which, I guess. What, so you redirected a kill (Tammo´s) on me but infact it got redirected on TPRU... is that what you are saying? Strange and bad night. I don´t understand the dragonator kill but would think it was a SK kill, maybe. Now I actually think we should had got rid of the thief costume yesterday, Walther with it.
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 So Shadows just told me that draggy was the cop. Do we trust this? I think it's possible that he redirected the real cop from me to scum so I would show up scum, then lied about redirecting my action to Mencot. When Walter's story got confirmed by DD, he knew he had to change his story. And what if he's telling the truth? Then we have no confirmed townies to give the vig action. And then what of Brickelodeon's cop? Insane? Fake? This is awful.
Mencot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 How am I audacious enough to take this? It's because I don't want the scum to get it, and I know who one of the scummos is... The cop PMed me last night, Tammo turned up scum. Let's lynch that bastard :D. *today not last night. Since we have no confirmed townies, I will take vig to prevent anymore scum from getting it. Why would the cop claim to You, that I don´t understand... you are no more confirmed than any other? Many got an SO townie feel of Brickelodeon. This is just something I wonder about, I though about it yesterday and asked about what made him so townie. This is just a question, if someone who has some more information about this can explain it to me
Shadows Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 And what if he's telling the truth? Then we have no confirmed townies to give the vig action. And then what of Brickelodeon's cop? Insane? Fake? Or Brickelodeon's cop is real and Draggy was insane. I have no doubt he wasn't fake, at least. This isn't getting any better. What, so you redirected a kill (Tammo´s) on me but infact it got redirected on TPRU... is that what you are saying? No, it went where it was supposed to, I just messed up. I had debated between the two of you and concluded that you could be working together (don't even ask how I came to that), which made him the more important target as an experienced player. If he had come back as scum today, I could have revealed all this and felt some security in your alignment and pushed for that vote. It all went wrong. Why would the cop claim to You, that I don´t understand... you are no more confirmed than any other? Since Tammo doesn't control the vig kill hat, it would be risky to claim he's scum if he isn't, the reward wouldn't be that great. Which still leaves the possibility that Brick is lying or that the claimed cop is insane.
Mencot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 No, it went where it was supposed to, I just messed up. I had debated between the two of you and concluded that you could be working together (don't even ask how I came to that), which made him the more important target as an experienced player. If he had come back as scum today, I could have revealed all this and felt some security in your alignment and pushed for that vote. It all went wrong. Okay (not ok-ey) But we can´t trust any cop results then now or later in this game. One of them is gone, if Dragonator was one but we don´t really know if it was a true or insane?! Great
Tamamono Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 And why would he redirect to TinyPies? If he suspected Mencot, he would have just redirected to him. TinyPies was obvious town after yesterday, and his death would have meant nothing about Mencot's allegiance. Shadows is a better player than this. I think he redirected me to Dragonator because he told him he was the cop. But then why tell me he was the cop? We also need to consider who is to get the vig hat. There's nobody I trust now who hasn't gotten a costume yet. How are we going to decide this?
Mencot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Yes this is very confusing, who is lying and to who?
Mencot Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 And why would he redirect to TinyPies? If he suspected Mencot, he would have just redirected to him. TinyPies was obvious town after yesterday, and his death would have meant nothing about Mencot's allegiance. Shadows is a better player than this. True,because I don´t see the conection he claims, between me and Tiny. Tiny asked me a good question a answered it, maybe badly and that was it. Another thing, how are we gonna try out the other cop hat that we still have? We can wait and see what the player who gets it today will come up with but if it is insane the situation will be the same. What if the person who got it yesterday or Brick is scum and lied about it, as also Shadow pointed out: Since Tammo doesn't control the vig kill hat, it would be risky to claim he's scum if he isn't, the reward wouldn't be that great. Which still leaves the possibility that Brick is lying or that the claimed cop is insane.
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