Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 On Day Two, Tammo claimed to have attempted to kill Zepher. We have no way of knowing whether he was lying or not, since Shadows redirected him to TPRU. We know Shadows wasn't lying because he was town. Imagine you are Tammo, having just been caught as scum by the Cop, and knowing that since you were redirected, you can make up a "kill choice". Why not say that you tried to kill a scumbuddy? It will make them look good when you flip town. On that basis, Tammo probably said that he'd tried to kill Zepher. What he forgot was that he had claimed to "townread" Zepher earlier.The other thing which makes me wary of Zepher is the number of people who have "townreads" on him for NO REASON WHATSOEVER. I'm looking at you, Lind and Brick. So yeah, I think Zepher might be scum. My reasoning is probably flawed; feel free to point out any gaps in this theory. I think it's a good theory, in fact I think Zepher would be a good lynch for today. I only suggested that he get the thief because all but one of my other town reads had grabbed items already. I'm good with lynching him or Dave. Why Dave? you might ask. Here is why: I originally started PMing with Dave when he messaged me, talking about how he thought Walter was scum and was trying to get lynched so that he could get rid of a good costume. First of all, this theory is a steaming pile of crap. Why would scum WANT to me lynched? It's stupid, and also dumb. When I debunked his logic, he merely seemed to try to suck up to me instead of saying why he had thought like that. Later, when I had investigated Tammo, I PMed Dave first, hoping to catch a scummy reaction. I got one. He asked me if I was the investigator, then he suggested that HE should grab the investigator hat. I told him no, and he grabbed it anyway, saying that "he couldn't let the scum get it" (paraphrased, not direct quote). I thought this was a bit suspicious at the time, but I brushed it off because I was so engrossed with lynching Tammo. As the day progressed, he didn't say barely anything against Tammo until the voting started. Even when it did start, all he did was re-state a few things and join the bandwagon against Tammo. When the votes seemed to be turning away from Tammo, and he might not get lynched after all, Dave said nothing in PM or in the main thread. As soon as it was obvious that Tammo wasn't going to get off the hook, however, I received a deluge of PMs from Dave, with him saying that it was obvious Tammo was scum, and how I was an idiot to take my vote off of him. Then, it seemed like he was a townie who was finally standing up for himself. Now, it seems like he was trying to make himself look good when his scum buddy got lynched. He knew that Tammo wasn't going to be able to finagle his way out if getting lynched, so Dave did everything he could to separate himself and Tammo. Now, today, he grabs the vig, even after I told him to wait for everyone else's opinion, and for the same reason that he grabbed the investigator yesterday: "because he couldn't let the scum get it". For some strange reason, even though everyone knows he was the cop, he still hasn't decided whether or not to reveal the investigation results. It seems to me that he and his scum buddies are having to decide what the best thing to say is. Also, why the heck would he investigate someone who doesn't talk that much (he said in a PM that the person isn't a high poster). When you are an investigator, you investigate the people who you want to form a town block with, not some random low-poster with no evidence of being scum or town. I haven't taken the time to look over his main thread posts yet, but I will have time this afternoon, so expect some more on this later. What do you guys think?
Dragonfire Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Well, fhomess' action was stolen by Brickelodeon. So it doesn't matter who he targeted last night. It would be interesting to know though. Don't publicly reveal your items though.
Dragonfire Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 No, it wasn't blocked. I know who the blocker targeted, and it wasn't fhomess. Dave contacted me via PM shortly after I told you guys about the flavour cop in-thread. He was fishing for information about the flavour cop's results last night (which the flavour cop had not told me at that point). He then wanted to get investigated by the flavour cop, assuming it was a standard cop instead of a role-cop. Later, he wanted me to vote for Tammo. I really don't know. Dave doesn't seem super-scummy or super-towny either.
Mencot Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Well, fhomess' action was stolen by Brickelodeon. So it doesn't matter who he targeted last night. It would be interesting to know though. Don't publicly reveal your items though. Dragonfire was faster. I will say it straight out, I Don't trust Brickelodeon. I haven't trusted him from day one. Okay (not ok-ey) it was a big mistake from me to trust tammo but I had a fear and bad feeling bout him on day 2. Same kind of feeling I have bout brick.
Mencot Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Where is Dave, soon scum will take the other good things from that list.
Zepher Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I can't really defend myself against these accusations because they're not based on anything I've done. Once someone points out anything that I've done that's not town like, I'll try to explain them. For now... I still find all the action with the vig very strange. The whole idea behind revealing it was to see who would jump on it and then scrutinize it - fhommes did, and no one batted an eye lid. Then Brick all of a sudden redirects that action, something that again we sort of all agreed was a bad idea, and everyone is cool with that anyway. I strongly distrust both of these players. They are directly doing things we said we thought the scum would pull, and they're both not getting scrutinized at all. Even if fhommes isn't scum, what's stopping the scum from just scooping up the vig today and then "planning with someone in private" as to who to kill. fhommes did that yesterday and got off scott free.
Lind Whisperer Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Where is Dave, soon scum will take the other good things from that list. I move that no one takes anything until Dave posts.
Mencot Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I think it's a good theory, in fact I think Zepher would be a good lynch for today. I only suggested that he get the thief because all but one of my other town reads had grabbed items already. I'm good with lynching him or Dave. Why Dave? you might ask. Here is why: I originally started PMing with Dave when he messaged me, talking about how he thought Walter was scum and was trying to get lynched so that he could get rid of a good costume. First of all, this theory is a steaming pile of crap. Why would scum WANT to me lynched? It's stupid, and also dumb. When I debunked his logic, he merely seemed to try to suck up to me instead of saying why he had thought like that. Later, when I had investigated Tammo, I PMed Dave first, hoping to catch a scummy reaction. I got one. He asked me if I was the investigator, then he suggested that HE should grab the investigator hat. I told him no, and he grabbed it anyway, saying that "he couldn't let the scum get it" (paraphrased, not direct quote). I thought this was a bit suspicious at the time, but I brushed it off because I was so engrossed with lynching Tammo. As the day progressed, he didn't say barely anything against Tammo until the voting started. Even when it did start, all he did was re-state a few things and join the bandwagon against Tammo. When the votes seemed to be turning away from Tammo, and he might not get lynched after all, Dave said nothing in PM or in the main thread. As soon as it was obvious that Tammo wasn't going to get off the hook, however, I received a deluge of PMs from Dave, with him saying that it was obvious Tammo was scum, and how I was an idiot to take my vote off of him. Then, it seemed like he was a townie who was finally standing up for himself. Now, it seems like he was trying to make himself look good when his scum buddy got lynched. He knew that Tammo wasn't going to be able to finagle his way out if getting lynched, so Dave did everything he could to separate himself and Tammo. Now, today, he grabs the vig, even after I told him to wait for everyone else's opinion, and for the same reason that he grabbed the investigator yesterday: "because he couldn't let the scum get it". For some strange reason, even though everyone knows he was the cop, he still hasn't decided whether or not to reveal the investigation results. It seems to me that he and his scum buddies are having to decide what the best thing to say is. Also, why the heck would he investigate someone who doesn't talk that much (he said in a PM that the person isn't a high poster). When you are an investigator, you investigate the people who you want to form a town block with, not some random low-poster with no evidence of being scum or town. I haven't taken the time to look over his main thread posts yet, but I will have time this afternoon, so expect some more on this later. What do you guys think? You make some valid and good posts. Good thing coming out with that stuff. It is actually pretty strange that Dave grabbed those things like that, also after him been told not to do so in thread and private, remember Tammo did that also. But would two scum act the same way? Guess so when it would benefit them. I move that no one takes anything until Dave posts. Yes, I agree on that also.
Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Then Brick all of a sudden redirects that action, something that again we sort of all agreed was a bad idea. Actually, we all agreed that Fhommes was not to be trusted, and that I should steal it... Shadows was the obvious vig target for last night nice he had the second most votes.
Zepher Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I agree Shadows should have been the kill. But now we have no way of knowing if fhommes would have abused it or not.
fhomess Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Anyone calling out Brickelodeon at this point is not helping town. Yes, he could be scum, but he delivered Tammo to us 1st thing on Day 2 after Tammo was set up on Day 1 as someone we all thought was very townie for revealing the vig. Those two plays together would be directly contradictory for a scum team with any sense of a plan. No one else here has done anything that warrants the trust that Brick does. As for Dave, I think there's a good chance he's scum, too. Zepher, you're doing the same things that Tammo was doing. Only picking out the pieces of arguments that you actually care to pay attention to and ignoring the statements that contradict with your theories. It's not becoming.
Bob Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I don't really trust any of the people here, except for myself. I'm so wonderful and believable, how could I not trust myself? Ahhhh, love works in such mysterious ways sometimes. So, the scum team is out in full force today! I think it's a good theory, in fact I think Zepher would be a good lynch for today. I only suggested that he get the thief because all but one of my other town reads had grabbed items already. I'm good with lynching him or Dave. Why Dave? you might ask. Here is why: Oh, so today you're thinking it might be a good day to lynch the vigilante? What's changed? I don't think we should get rid of the vig just yet. As long as we have the cop hat, and we can confirm townies, I think it is to our advantage to keep it around. Dave has the cop today, so we should probably have the doctor use his action on him tonight. The watcher should probably use his ability on either me or Zepher. You can go look for this quote yesterday, I can't do a full quote since the topic is locked. Post #123. Why did you think it was a good idea to keep the vigilante around yesterday when fhomess had it, but today you're ready and rearing to go? That's what we like to call a contradiction. Anyone calling out Brickelodeon at this point is not helping town. Yes, he could be scum, but he delivered Tammo to us 1st thing on Day 2 after Tammo was set up on Day 1 as someone we all thought was very townie for revealing the vig. Those two plays together would be directly contradictory for a scum team with any sense of a plan. No one else here has done anything that warrants the trust that Brick does. As for Dave, I think there's a good chance he's scum, too. Zepher, you're doing the same things that Tammo was doing. Only picking out the pieces of arguments that you actually care to pay attention to and ignoring the statements that contradict with your theories. It's not becoming. Oh, look, scum number two is out today to reinforce and support Brickelodeon! How nice! What loyalty. I only know of very few men that have loyalty like that. Of course, I am one of those men. I'm so great! You're thinking that it's now smart to kill off the vigilante as well! Is it because you don't have it anymore? Worried that somebody who isn't scum is going to grab the Flash costume? Go ahead and grab it, we both know you want to. Speaking of grabbing: 1. Flash's Lightning Cowl 2. Starlord's Mask 3. Mary Jane's Locks 4. Mr. Freeze's Coolant 5. Magneto's Super Awesome Helmet 6. Gandolf's Pointy Cap Bob 7. Captain Jack's Crow 8. Storm's Lightning And with that I'm off to the bathroom. Please don't disturb me for about thirty minutes or so.
Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 What's changed? The vig wasn't being held be a scummo yesterday, It is today. I've thought long and hard about this: The vig is the only way for the town to get night kills, but I don't think we will have any chance at all of getting a good night kill if it is being used by the scum. Dave will "accidentally" kill another townie tonight if we don't lynch him. That it why it is so imperative that a confirmed townie get's the thief. The problem is that the only person who can confirm a townie is Dave. I think a good plan is to let Dave live for today, maybe lynch Zepher, and then lynch Dave tomorrow when he doesn't have the vig. We need the vig, but we also need to kill scum. It's a hard choice. *by not be
mostlytechnic Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I've got a theory why dave's waiting to name the cleared person. He's scum, and they're waiting to make sure there's no tracker/watcher/blocker/whatever results that will out him when he lies. As soon as voting opens, I plan to vote dave. Between his refusal to reveal (when everyone knows he was the cop, so it's not like he's protecting a source or anything. There's literally NO REASON for him not to have shared the result first thing), brick's explanation that he told dave NOT to take the vig, dave's taking the vig, I think there's plenty of stuff here to lynch him. And yes, that would eliminate the vig costume. So what. It's cost us two townies so far, and with the number of townies falling, at some point the scum will just openly out themselves and take all the good stuff (it's happened before!). So I'm not confident in our ability to hold on to the vig / thief costumes.
Piratedave84 Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Lego Spy is town as per my NA results. I think it's pretty clear I'm town at this point. I did Not even bother to read Brick's rant on me because I explicitly told him I would target him to see who we could lure out in the open and he opted not to and instead attacked me. I told him I thought he was town, I told him I intended to call him out and I told him everything I knew. At this point there are 3 people I trust/know to be town: Brickelodeon, Lego Spy and me. I've got a theory why dave's waiting to name the cleared person. He's scum, and they're waiting to make sure there's no tracker/watcher/blocker/whatever results that will out him when he lies. As soon as voting opens, I plan to vote dave. Between his refusal to reveal (when everyone knows he was the cop, so it's not like he's protecting a source or anything. There's literally NO REASON for him not to have shared the result first thing), brick's explanation that he told dave NOT to take the vig, dave's taking the vig, I think there's plenty of stuff here to lynch him. And yes, that would eliminate the vig costume. So what. It's cost us two townies so far, and with the number of townies falling, at some point the scum will just openly out themselves and take all the good stuff (it's happened before!). So I'm not confident in our ability to hold on to the vig / thief costumes. Brick told me to get the Vig; was this not clear?
Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Hmm, I just looked back in my PM history with Dave, and he did say he would try to lure some scum out by accusing me. But I didn't attack you because of your accusations... I chose to attack you because I think you are scum. How do you keep forgetting about my PM where I said "Don't take the vig yet, wait for the town to come to a mutual decision" (paraphrased)? You seem to only talk about the one where I said "I think you should have the vig". Since when do I alone determine who get's the vig hat?
Lind Whisperer Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Brick told me to get the Vig; was this not clear? Hmm, what about my PM that said "Don't take it until we all agree you should have it" (not directly quoted, but the same meaning) did you not understand? I was telling you not to grab any other items until we had all decided who should have it. Then you just went ahead and grabbed it without even asking anyone? Get sober, then we will need to talk. How is that Brick telling you "to get the vig"?
Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 How is that Brick telling you "to get the vig"? I will answer for him. Just so that you know that my motives are pure: I sent Dave two PMs. The first one said something like "I think you would be a good vig for today". Then I sent another PM saying "But don't grab it yet, wait for a mutual decision to be reached." Apparently, he only chose to read the first one. But even so, he shouldn't have grabbed it. I never told him to grab it, I just said I think he would be a good vig for today.
Piratedave84 Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I read the first one them wrote a post and picked the vig helmet by the time I got back to my PM it was too late. There was 15 mins between those two PMs from you. It's not like they were back to back. I've got a theory why dave's waiting to name the cleared person. He's scum, and they're waiting to make sure there's no tracker/watcher/blocker/whatever results that will out him when he lies. As soon as voting opens, I plan to vote dave. Between his refusal to reveal (when everyone knows he was the cop, so it's not like he's protecting a source or anything. There's literally NO REASON for him not to have shared the result first thing), brick's explanation that he told dave NOT to take the vig, dave's taking the vig, I think there's plenty of stuff here to lynch him. And yes, that would eliminate the vig costume. So what. It's cost us two townies so far, and with the number of townies falling, at some point the scum will just openly out themselves and take all the good stuff (it's happened before!). So I'm not confident in our ability to hold on to the vig / thief costumes. It's not about protecting the source it's about protecting the few confirmed townies we have. No one as any reason whatsoever to doubt my towniness at this point based on my past action. Brick may have given the scum result on Tammo but I think we can all agree that I championed it and push for it, even led it, much, much more than Brick ever did.
Mencot Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Speaking of grabbing: 1. Flash's Lightning Cowl 2. Starlord's Mask 3. Mary Jane's Locks 4. Mr. Freeze's Coolant 5. Magneto's Super Awesome Helmet 6. Gandolf's Pointy Cap Bob 7. Captain Jack's Crow 8. Storm's Lightning And with that I'm off to the bathroom. Please don't disturb me for about thirty minutes or so. So you grabbed that before Dave outed the info. Good going, but ofcourse I can understand your reasons. Okay (not ok-ey) Legospy was investigated, hmm had no feelings about him. I guess everybody is thinking, who will grab what? I read the first one them wrote a post and picked the vig helmet by the time I got back to my PM it was too late. There was 15 mins between those two PMs from you. It's not like they were back to back. It's not about protecting the source it's about protecting the few confirmed townies we have. No one as any reason whatsoever to doubt my towniness at this point based on my past action. Brick may have given the scum result on Tammo but I think we can all agree that I championed it and push for it, even led it, much, much more than Brick ever did. Love your tag
mostlytechnic Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I'm not sure I trust the legospy clearing. He was on my short list of potential SKs. And if dave's scum, he wouldn't know whether someone was a SK or town without actually investigating them. And even then it depends on how the results are phrased (town/not town, vs scum/not scum)
Mencot Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I'm not sure I trust the legospy clearing. He was on my short list of potential SKs. And if dave's scum, he wouldn't know whether someone was a SK or town without actually investigating them. And even then it depends on how the results are phrased (town/not town, vs scum/not scum) Dave said this: Lego Spy is town as per my NA results. As I said my feelings from Legospy is like nothing, so i don´t know I feel really too comfortable giving him the steal costume. And what does "NA result" really mean in this case? What is that
Brickelodeon Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Brick may have given the scum result on Tammo but I think we can all agree that I championed it and push for it, even led it, much, much more than Brick ever did. I counted 2 posts that you made accusing Tammo... You did nothing but join the bandwagon and restate facts we already knew. I read the first one them wrote a post and picked the vig helmet by the time I got back to my PM it was too late. There was 15 mins between those two PMs from you. It's not like they were back to back. Bull Sh*t. I looked at the times between when I sent the second PM and when you took the vig hat, I sent the PM 14 minutes before you took it. Are you saying it took you more than 14 minutes to copy and paste a list?
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