Pelly's Paradise Day Three: Death Knocks Thrice

[Brickelodeon]

Vote: Zepher(Zepher)

I really like Dragonfire's theory on him. Since Dave has the vig, we should save him for tomorrow. MT is scummy, but as I said, he is less scummy than Zepher or Dave.

[Lind Whisperer]

i shall casteth mine vote f'r him who reaks of scumminess.

vote: iron patriot (fhommes)

snatch'd our most pow'rful costume yet claims he was disinclin'd to useth it. the town ask'd f'r him to break with with the town who to useth it on, whilst he sat silently and then doth declare to talketh to one p'rson whom town commandeth, and yet he did not doeth that eith'r, as far as i can seeth. so what did he useth this item f'r, if not to helpeth the town?

in his scumminess he hath us'd the vig coxcomb as a protection, knowing it wouldst be redirect'd by the cut-purse to a most-likely townie and if thither was a hint it wouldst be scum he couldst stopeth ti with some sorteth of well-tim'd "oh wow i dont knoweth that guy seems really town to me" plea to the one p'rson he was discussing the killeth with.

shadows thought the redirect'r was the most damning thing f'r the town, but the thief pair'd with the vig is just as bad if not w'rse! scum can useth it as protection, as i thinketh they hast done hither and simply the fact that two townies trying to decideth individually on what p'rson to vig killeth means it will almost always cometh down to mostly town deaths. it seems we art nearing the endeth already unless we catcheth some scum yarely.

Well put, albeit a little hard to follow*.

Vote: Iron Patriot (fhommes)

*Although the dedication is impressive.

[fhomess]

I'm not scum. The only thing people really have on me is the vig selection on Day 2 and that is perfectly defensible from a townie standpoint given the state of the item claiming at that point. To reiterate, there were 3 items remaining. One of which I could not take. I had no reason to trust Dragonfire or Dark Dragon at that point.

To Zepher's point about me not coordinating on the vig target. That's a misdirected argument. I never said I would not work with people. I said I wanted to finalize with someone in private so that scum wouldn't know who the target was but I was happy to work with whoever people nominated. How many people were nominated? Zero.

Post 194:

Verily I say that I shall coordinate mine action of death with an agreed upon cosplayer. I wouldst prefer to keep the knowledge of mine target hidden, where the prying eyes of the evil ones mayn't be forewarned.

Here I say that I will coordinate with whomever was agreed to. A few posts later you complained that I wasn't willing to coordinate, which is entirely untrue. Did you bother to propose anyone for me to work with? No. Did anyone else?

Post 206:

Thou doth misunderstand. Mine intent is to provide another chance where in we might select a trustable cosplayer with whom I can coordinate. Yea, an opportunity to essentially reselect who should have had the chance to use the vig hat in light of the fact that selection was not made early in the day. All may take their part in the nomination of this player. I wish not to choose them myself. Howe'er, I believe tis better to keep the final target private until the morn. Woulds't thou rather have scum know exactly whether or not they are in danger?

Here I clarify in response to your complaint and say that I'll work with whoever people nominate, but maintained that I didn't want the scum team knowing of the target publicly.

Tammo posted regularly throughout yesterday that he wanted me to be the lynch target. Posts 132, 161, 170, 176, 180, 209, and 242/244. That's 7 times he tried to convince people I was scum and/or to have the vig action taken from me. If I were scum, it wouldn't make sense for him to want to discredit me to the point that I would not be able to use the vig action and give an extra kill to the scum team. I realize there's plenty of WIFOM you can take out of that, but it's a lot of effort that could've better been spent elsewhere.

As for me, I was one of the people most against the bus driver idea when that was thrown into the mix to discredit the scum result on Tammo.

vote: iron patriot (fhommes)

snatch'd our most pow'rful costume yet claims he was disinclin'd to useth it. the town ask'd f'r him to break with with the town who to useth it on, whilst he sat silently and then doth declare to talketh to one p'rson whom town commandeth, and yet he did not doeth that eith'r, as far as i can seeth.

Who did the town command me to discuss with?

in his scumminess he hath us'd the vig coxcomb as a protection, knowing it wouldst be redirect'd by the cut-purse to a most-likely townie and if thither was a hint it wouldst be scum he couldst stopeth ti with some sorteth of well-tim'd "oh wow i dont knoweth that guy seems really town to me" plea to the one p'rson he was discussing the killeth with.

shadows thought the redirect'r was the most damning thing f'r the town, but the thief pair'd with the vig is just as bad if not w'rse! scum can useth it as protection, as i thinketh they hast done hither and simply the fact that two townies trying to decideth individually on what p'rson to vig killeth means it will almost always cometh down to mostly town deaths. it seems we art nearing the endeth already unless we catcheth some scum yarely.

You're just making things up now... where did I say I knew anyone was town or not?

Are you saying you also think that Tammo, Brick, and I are all part of the same scum team? That's seriously got to be one of the absolute worst theories I've ever seen people throw out in one of these things. You must think we're all idiots or trying to make the game as hard as possible for ourselves.

[Lind Whisperer]

Tammo posted regularly throughout yesterday that he wanted me to be the lynch target. Posts 132, 161, 170, 176, 180, 209, and 242/244. That's 7 times he tried to convince people I was scum and/or to have the vig action taken from me. If I were scum, it wouldn't make sense for him to want to discredit me to the point that I would not be able to use the vig action and give an extra kill to the scum team. I realize there's plenty of WIFOM you can take out of that, but it's a lot of effort that could've better been spent elsewhere.

That accusing could have been staged. I'm not saying it was, but it could have been.

As for me, I was one of the people most against the bus driver idea when that was thrown into the mix to discredit the scum result on Tammo.

See above.

Are you saying you also think that Tammo, Brick, and I are all part of the same scum team? That's seriously got to be one of the absolute worst theories I've ever seen people throw out in one of these things. You must think we're all idiots or trying to make the game as hard as possible for ourselves.

Where did she say that Brick was part of the scum team? Maybe her post was even more hard to follow than I thought it was...

[Bob]

Hey hey, it's your favorite beautiful handsome man again, here to give you more words of wisdom!

Well put, albeit a little hard to follow*.

Vote: Iron Patriot (fhommes)

*Although the dedication is impressive.

Please remove fhomess from the list of scum and add Darkdragon for me.

Gosh I'm smart!

[Piratedave84]

I really want to vote for Brick today; am I crazy? Would a scum buddy really provide an actual investigation result on a Teammate?

Then again would a cop really not vote for the person they investigated as scum?

Things are not adding up, the revolving roles a messing with my brain and are making this thing a nightmare to figure out.

If Brick is town, he needed to vote for Tammo yesterday.

If Brick is scum he should never have revealed an investigation result on his teammate.

Does that make him a neutral?

[Brickelodeon]

I will not be mad at you if you vote for me Dave. In fact, I WANT you to. Then when you flip scum, I will be even more of a confirmed townie.

[Dragonfire]

Dragonfire's actions, or mine? At least Dragonfire admitted his case isn't built on anything I'd done.

I'd defend myself, but I really can't. I've played town this entire time, and I stand by my votes and my opinions. The fact that a scum claimed to try to kill me night one... what can I say about that? I don't even know if it's true or not. I wish I could explain it, but I can't, because it was never explained to me.

Zepher, the reason I think you're scum is to do with Tammo, Lind and Darkdragon's posts, not yours in particular. Your posts have been fairly middle-of-the-road, not standing out, not looking scummy or towny in particular; I can't read much out of them. Other people's, however, have been most productive.

Right now, I feel like Zepher is either scum or the SK.

Nah, not the SK. Too many associative tells for him to be the SK. He's scum.

It's a bad day to lynch me though. I don't want to unnecessarily reveal costumes, but DD can back me up - save the costume. If you think I'm scum, at least wait until tomorrow to lynch me.

The flavour cop investigated your costume on one of the nights, and knows its abilities. S/he hasn't told me exactly what it does, but it's fair to say that you're probably not lying about this - s/he did say that it is an important town costume. However, we can't let the costume dictate whether or not we lynch someone - remember Tammo from yesterday?

Well put, albeit a little hard to follow*.

Vote: Iron Patriot (fhommes)

*Although the dedication is impressive.

OK. This is odd.

Darkdragon steps in to lightly defend Zepher, then completely changes the subject, then follows Zepher with his vote on fhomess. Zepher accumulates four votes against him. Guess who comes in to save the day? Lind Whisperer, who also votes for fhomess, making the votes 4:3 in favour of Zepher. Seems like scum are trying to tie the vote. Lind doesn't add anything new, or respond to the accusations against him, just votes with Zepher. Just like that. PING!

OK. Do you know why I really think Lind is scum? On Day One, Lind picked an item. This item had an important role which, in town hands, could hurt the scum considerably (I'm not going to reveal the role, and I don't think Lind should either). That's all fine and good. On Day Two, Lady K picked the same item. And got killed (presumably by scum, since we know the vig killed Shadows and JJP is an ideal SK kill choice). What are the chances that Lind told his scum team about his item, and they killed the next person to receive it (conveniently implicating Brick in the process)?

[Mencot]

Sorry that I didn´t get back, got really busy.

I'm slightly concerned with our continual avoidance of lynches of strong scum candidates due to the costume they have. I know we want to preserve costumes, but if the scum continue to snatch those costumes up, they're useless to the town anyway. Say for instance Zepher is a doctor and scum but we spare him. We kill off 3 people tonight, get lucky and kill a scum. The scum could still grab the doctor costume tomorrow, it'd still be useless, and the town would be on the verge of distinction. Scum loss>costume loss.

*Extinction, not distinction.

This is what I also said, at this point and this pace we will lose if we don´t start finding the scum. Ofcourse we don´t wanna lose the costumes but the scum will take em as fast as they can every new day.

Should I use the vig costume? If so whom do I target?

Yes, you should. Possible targets are, look Bob´s list.

I am also going to vote Vote: Mr Freeze(Zepher)

Some of the others could also be good options but lets start somewhere.

He hasn´t done really much but I feel as he is trying to stay under the rader, seem useful but not doing anything.

[Darkdragon]

first of all, i nev'r said i agreeth that brick is parteth of the scum team. that's simply putting in false accusations to geteth public opinion against me. i findeth that whole the'ry ridiculous as a mattereth of fact.

additionally, accusing me because somone people suspecteth agrees with me is scummy.

also, i nev'r defend'd anyone and i resent being accus'd of it. the closest i came was defending shadows and that was only because i was 95% sure he was town.

if i am lynch'd 'r kill'd in the night, i urge the rest of town to looketh at those defending fhomess and attacking me this evening.

its just liketh scum to tryeth and jumpeth on anyone who gets a penalty vote, makes a simple maj'rity easi'r f'r them.

[Lind Whisperer]

Darkdragon steps in to lightly defend Zepher, then completely changes the subject, then follows Zepher with his vote on fhomess. Zepher accumulates four votes against him. Guess who comes in to save the day? Lind Whisperer, who also votes for fhomess, making the votes 4:3 in favour of Zepher. Seems like scum are trying to tie the vote. Lind doesn't add anything new, or respond to the accusations against him, just votes with Zepher. Just like that. PING!

I wasn't voting with Zepher, I was voting with DD.

I do think that Zepher is possibly scum, but I thought, from the tone of your PM, that Starlord's Mask was something that the town would suffer from if we lost it to a lynch, so I picked who I thought was to be the next best candidate.

And as to accusations against me, here's what happened Day 1. Take it or leave it.

I don't know who to trust. Tammo shares Vig. He seemed trustworthy. Everyone's agreeing that he's a townie, and he seems townie. No one's said enough for me to get anything like a read. I don't know who to support for getting the Vig the next day, but Tammo is the who seems to be most likely a townie, and so, if I can't figure a good vote out on my own, than his seems like the best advice to take. I vote for Zepher and Brick, who both seem townie - Brick more than Zepher, but Tammo says Zepher was a good choice.

Dragonfire asks me why I'm voting for Zepher who hasn't posted much, and I panic. I know that I don't have any reasons for supporting him, other than "Tammo seems most trustworthy," and I know that that looks scummy. So I flail.

I have no idea how I didn't get lynched. I definitely deserved to get lynched Day 1, if for nothing more than exceedingly bad playing.

Since then, I've gotten my "sea legs" under me, at least a little bit. I haven't been posting very much I know, but I am PMming a good bit, and I would add more in here, except that other people often say what I'm thinking, and I know saying "Seconded" all the time amounts to the same thing as posting fluff.

[def]

Vote Tally:

PirateDave 1 (mostlytehnic)

DarkDragon 1 (penalty)

fhomess 3 (Zepher, Darkdragon, fhomess)

Zepher 5 (Dragonfire, jluck, bob, brickelodeon, Mencot)

About 20 hours left.

[Zepher]

I'm glad at least the flavor cop knows what role we're losing, and has signed off on it.

No, seriously, I understand the votes against me. I can't even pull the classic: "when I flip town, lynch dragonfire" because I don't think it's a particularly bad case against me, except that part where I know I'm not scum. I'm sure you can imagine how frustrating it is to have to defend yourself against something that a dead enemy claimed to do. There's nothing you can say. I'm not the sort of player who likes to throw up their hands and say "fine, lynch me" because that never helps the town but there's no response or explanation or thought process I can offer. Which is really a bummer for me.

I still don't want to reveal my costume, just in case I make it out, but if things haven't turned around in a few hours I feel like I'll have to. But again, I'm begging you, just lynch me tomorrow instead - I can take the action the town least wants and simply bring that with me instead. I will happily be tracked or investigated tonight to make sure I don't do anything unsavory. I have been totally forthright with all my actions so far. I can only stand by those.

[mostlytechnic]

Hm. I think I'm keeping my vote right where it is. i still think dave's scum. I don't like this lynch wagon on zepher, because it's 100% built on DF's case and a bunch of people saying "yep I agree" - I don't think a single one of you posted another new thought against zeph. If I wasn't townreading several of you, I'd think we've got a massive scum pile forming to get rid of an important townie costume.

I also noted that there were statements of "we have to lynch the scum despite what costume he has," even though my saying that earlier today got votes on me

[Brickelodeon]

Zepher just sent me a PM. He told me what the costume role is, and I agree that we should try to keep it. The whole PM had a really strong townie feel to it. He definitely wasn't afraid to be investigated, he seemed less concerned about dying than he was about keeping the item. I don't mind lynching him tomorrow if we have a better candidate for today, but who would that be? I would certainly rather lose Zepher's costume than Dave's. MT is the only other person who I would feel good about lynching today.

I feel it is likely that Zepher got thrown under the bus, cause we really have no evidence against him other than Tammo's actions.

Unvote: Zepher(Zepher)

I think MT would be a good lynch for today, then we can focus on Zepher tomorrow when he doesn't have a good item.

[Mencot]

But we don't know will he take a good item tomorrow, do we? We have his word on hit but if he really is a townie, I won't vote for him tomorrow.

I will have to go through todays thread and the remaining players, if I can find something.

[jluck]

Zepher just sent me a PM. He told me what the costume role is, and I agree that we should try to keep it. The whole PM had a really strong townie feel to it. He definitely wasn't afraid to be investigated, he seemed less concerned about dying than he was about keeping the item. I don't mind lynching him tomorrow if we have a better candidate for today, but who would that be? I would certainly rather lose Zepher's costume than Dave's. MT is the only other person who I would feel good about lynching today.

I feel it is likely that Zepher got thrown under the bus, cause we really have no evidence against him other than Tammo's actions.

Unvote: Zepher(Zepher)

I think MT would be a good lynch for today, then we can focus on Zepher tomorrow when he doesn't have a good item.

I'll consider but I have my doubts...Tammo seemed really townie too. At some point were gonna lose these roles, and do you think the scum are going to let us get/use roles that they are well aware of? Is zepher's role more important than catching a scum?

[Piratedave84]

You know who we have yet to hear from? Walter, not a single word yet he was here several time already since this day started.

There is also JJP, not a single word.

I don't know about Zepher's allegiance but if 3 people are saying the costume is worth keeping, that weighs on my vote.

About my Vig ability; I asked earlier and got only 1 or 2 answers; What should I do? Stay in or use it? I fear that if I use it I'll be in the same boat as fhomess and will be criticized for you guy's lack of input.

[Brickelodeon]

It is weird that JJP hasn't said anything, especially considering he's dead.

I don't know about Walter though.

[Piratedave84]

It is weird that JJP hasn't said anything, especially considering he's dead.

I don't know about Walter though.

I was sure I had seen his name in the list of survivors; my bad.

[Mencot]

Yea where is Walter, has he said anything today?

[Bob]

I've seen him read the thread a few times today.

[Mencot]

Yes he has been online but he hasn't really said anything the whole day 3.

Whats up with that?

[Mencot]

I checked the postcount for the whole day topic and no, walter hasn´t said anything today, not even fluff or comment on the costume he was randomly given!

Walter = Scum or ?

Speak up Walter

But I am considering changing my vote on to him.

Mary Janes locks, did it do anything useful?

Also Legospy and Fhomess are in the TOP3 least posters so far on all days.

[Brickelodeon]

I have a theory on Walter:

Remember how I came up with all of this great evidence for his lynch on day one? Apparently, he got scared by it and decided that it was safer to stop talking. He might be the SK? It could also be that he is away from his computer.