Darkdragon Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Most of your reasoning for voting Jluck seems solid, but in your last paragraph you seem to be saying you think there are 3 scum left. That is utterly impossible as they would have one with 3:2:1 at the start of today. The other part of your writeup that I don't quite see logic in is that he "knew" Lind would get lynched and so he started the bandwagon. How does that even work out? His starting a bandwagon (which it wasn't but we'll go with your words) is more like showing that he is town rather than scum. But maybe I'm missing something here that you left out and you can clarify that bit?
jluck Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Most of your reasoning for voting Jluck seems solid, but in your last paragraph you seem to be saying you think there are 3 scum left. That is utterly impossible as they would have one with 3:2:1 at the start of today. The other part of your writeup that I don't quite see logic in is that he "knew" Lind would get lynched and so he started the bandwagon. How does that even work out? His starting a bandwagon (which it wasn't but we'll go with your words) is more like showing that he is town rather than scum. But maybe I'm missing something here that you left out and you can clarify that bit? I actually find it funny that his one of his reasons for my being is scum is that I was the first vote for Lind. Everyone take a second to look at your scum lists, do they look something like this...brick, jluck, and zepher?? If so, you may want to note who is voting for me right now, trying to get this wagon going.
Piratedave84 Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Didn't have time to read the thread yet, but: vote: Zepher (Zepher)
Zepher Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Didn't have time to read the thread yet, but: vote: Zepher (Zepher) Oh, wonderful, sure it's based on a lot of good reasoning in that case. This is a sad case of the blind leading the blind. Surely members of the town cannot be this lazy this close to the wire. You're just going to vote without even bothering to hear whats been discussed?
Piratedave84 Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Oh, wonderful, sure it's based on a lot of good reasoning in that case. This is a sad case of the blind leading the blind. Surely members of the town cannot be this lazy this close to the wire. You're just going to vote without even bothering to hear whats been discussed? It was in case we needed to reach 3 before you guys rallied and got 3 votes on a townie before we got there. I meant that I had not read the thread since last posting but now that I have I can say that I stand by my vote; Brick is the SK and we don't trust him.
Zepher Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Who is the 'we'? You, jluck and DD? How can you be so sure of any of them? How can you possibly be sure of any of them? Of the players left alive the only honestly town playing I've seen so far has been from Brick and possibly you. DD, Jluck, and Lego Spy have done absolutely nothing to convince me of their town credentials. This is a pivotal day and I think you're allowing yourself to be blinded.
Piratedave84 Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 DD told me to kill MT and Lego Spy although useless (sorry! ) is cleared as town ... so yeah ... we Brick is toatlly-100%-no-shadow-of-a-doubt-for-sure the SK; plays for town in thread, lies in PM and kills town at night.
Zepher Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 DD told me to kill MT and Lego Spy although useless (sorry! ) is cleared as town ... so yeah ... we Brick is toatlly-100%-no-shadow-of-a-doubt-for-sure the SK; plays for town in thread, lies in PM and kills town at night. Cleared as town? I believe 'not scum' is what you're saying. This is the intentional blindness I'm talking about, and that is so bothering me leading into what could possibly be our last day. DD told you to kill MT? In the same way that Brick gave us Tammo? How does that clear one and not the other? I am still incredibly miffed that Brick chose to clear the dead dragonfire instead of me - this whole song and dance is so tiresome to me, and it really makes me bummed that the town is going to lose off of people's laziness. Brick not following through on that. Lego Spy coasting since being apparently cleared. No one is willing to actually pay attention to what anyone else is actually doing. We know Brick has consistently lied in PMs and that Lego Spy ignores the days and still I'm the lynch for reasons no one has yet to articulate to me.
Piratedave84 Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Cleared as town? I believe 'not scum' is what you're saying. This is the intentional blindness I'm talking about, and that is so bothering me leading into what could possibly be our last day. DD told you to kill MT? In the same way that Brick gave us Tammo? How does that clear one and not the other? I am still incredibly miffed that Brick chose to clear the dead dragonfire instead of me - this whole song and dance is so tiresome to me, and it really makes me bummed that the town is going to lose off of people's laziness. Brick not following through on that. Lego Spy coasting since being apparently cleared. No one is willing to actually pay attention to what anyone else is actually doing. We know Brick has consistently lied in PMs and that Lego Spy ignores the days and still I'm the lynch for reasons no one has yet to articulate to me. I explicitely asked if anyone was on board for a Brick lynch and NO ONE, including you, replied AND you did not vote for him once ... I would wager that he did not even bother to use the ability; what use does the SK have for an investigation result
Brickelodeon Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 I am 100% the SK eh? Well, that means that you are 100% an idiot, because I am 0% the SK. If you are town, you are really doing a bad job of trying to win. If you are scum, then I commend you for tricking me. Zepher is starting flail. Let's take a look at his past few posts: Of the players left alive the only honestly town playing I've seen so far has been from Brick and possibly you. Here, he seems to suggest that he thinks I'm town. am still incredibly miffed that Brick chose to clear the dead dragonfire instead of me - this whole song and dance is so tiresome to me, and it really makes me bummed that the town is going to lose off of people's laziness. Brick not following through on that. Lego Spy coasting since being apparently cleared. No one is willing to actually pay attention to what anyone else is actually doing. We know Brick has consistently lied in PMs and that Lego Spy ignores the days and still I'm the lynch for reasons no one has yet to articulate to me. Yet in this next post, he seems prepared to lynch me. You are starting to contradict yourself.
Piratedave84 Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 I am 100% the SK eh? Well, that means that you are 100% an idiot, because I am 0% the SK. If you are town, you are really doing a bad job of trying to win. If you are scum, then I commend you for tricking me. Zepher is starting flail. Let's take a look at his past few posts: Here, he seems to suggest that he thinks I'm town. Yet in this next post, he seems prepared to lynch me. You are starting to contradict yourself. Are you scum then? The only reason you're alive is because we need to kill scum you've been a thorn on our side since day one; when you struck a deal with scum. I'm trying to win this for town as are my fellow townies, you on the other hand are trying to mess with us by playing both sides. Appear town in thread, kill town at night. If it was up to me we'd be lynching you.
Brickelodeon Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Just... I'm done with you man... Your logic is something that I would flush after taking a huge dump... I gave you Tammo, I voted for MT. I ensured Lind's lynch... What more do you want? Of course I'm going to have to lie a bit in the main thread, it prevents the scum from protecting tampering with things. Remember, the scum can see the main thread too. If I say I'm going to kill one person, the scum will know who to protect. Lego Spy is probably the SK, Jluck and Zepher are probably scum, DD is I don't know what. And you are either a really smart scum or a really dumb town. Jluck and Zepher, I want you to give me more evidence of your townie-ness. Most of your reasoning for voting Jluck seems solid, but in your last paragraph you seem to be saying you think there are 3 scum left. That is utterly impossible as they would have one with 3:2:1 at the start of today. The other part of your writeup that I don't quite see logic in is that he "knew" Lind would get lynched and so he started the bandwagon. How does that even work out? His starting a bandwagon (which it wasn't but we'll go with your words) is more like showing that he is town rather than scum. But maybe I'm missing something here that you left out and you can clarify that bit? I never say there are 3 scum. I really think there are two. You were there yesterday, DD. From the very start of the day, we agreed that Lind had to be lying. The best thing the scum could do at that point was separate themselves as far from him as possible. Jluck wanted to start the bandwagon so that he could seem town-like the next day.
Piratedave84 Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Just... I'm done with you man... Your logic is something that I would flush after taking a huge dump... I gave you Tammo, I voted for MT. I ensured Lind's lynch... What more do you want? Of course I'm going to have to lie a bit in the main thread, it prevents the scum from protecting tampering with things. Remember, the scum can see the main thread too. If I say I'm going to kill one person, the scum will know who to protect. Lego Spy is probably the SK, Jluck and Zepher are probably scum, DD is I don't know what. And you are either a really smart scum or a really dumb town. Jluck and Zepher, I want you to give me more evidence of your townie-ness. I never say there are 3 scum. I really think there are two. You were there yesterday, DD. From the very start of the day, we agreed that Lind had to be lying. The best thing the scum could do at that point was separate themselves as far from him as possible. Jluck wanted to start the bandwagon so that he could seem town-like the next day. Listen man don't be a dick; we're trying to win this and you're there arguing that you are town. You've yet to do anything to help us. You voted for scum to distance yourself from them it's a classic move. You lied in PM and in thread. The evidence is overwhelming; you can defend yourself as much as you'd like but the bottom line is that your actions speak louder than your words.
Brickelodeon Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 your actions speak louder than your words. I totally agree. Now why are you suspicious of me again? My actions have shown that I am town: Revealed a scum, gave good cases to lynch two others, I even came up with a good way to keep the vig in check (which you messed up, I might add). What makes you think I'm the SK? I lie, but with good reason. I ALWAYS tell the town what my night actions were the next day. I obviously have nothing to hide. Let's look at it this way: Suppose I am the SK, wouldn't I be doing just as Lego Spy is doing now? Sitting, being quiet, and letting the war rage on overhead while I quietly laugh at my safety? Would I really want to stick my neck out and make enemies? No. If you want to think I'm the SK, go ahead. It wont matter today anyway. We need to lynch scum, and nobody is even talking about that right now. Let's get back into focus here. Will it be Jluck or Zepher? I've given a good case against Jluck, but Zepher has shown signs of flailing.
Zepher Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Not flailing. I didn't go for a Brick lynch, Dave, because that'd be stupid (in my opinion). I stick by that. I was just pointing out that his logic is not as irrefutable as he likes to pretend. And yes, I am worried. This day is coming to a close, and could be a victory for the town or scum potentially. I only know for a fact one confirmed town... which is me. I know if I die and the scum kill tonight, it is very possible that the town will lose tomorrow morning. So yes, I'm worried. Look even at the lack of conversation! What's happening? Is everyone just okay with letting the day and game fizzle out?
Piratedave84 Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Not flailing. I didn't go for a Brick lynch, Dave, because that'd be stupid (in my opinion). I stick by that. I was just pointing out that his logic is not as irrefutable as he likes to pretend. And yes, I am worried. This day is coming to a close, and could be a victory for the town or scum potentially. I only know for a fact one confirmed town... which is me. I know if I die and the scum kill tonight, it is very possible that the town will lose tomorrow morning. So yes, I'm worried. Look even at the lack of conversation! What's happening? Is everyone just okay with letting the day and game fizzle out? Ok I'll play along; so if not you then who do we lynch? Brick or Jluck?
Lego Spy Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Let's look at it this way: Suppose I am the SK, wouldn't I be doing just as Lego Spy is doing now? Sitting, being quiet, and letting the war rage on overhead while I quietly laugh at my safety? Would I really want to stick my neck out and make enemies? No. Trust me, I'm definitely laughing, sitting down, and watching the battle overhead. The sitting down part and the battle, sure, but laughing? No, not really. And the battle is more in front of me than overhead. I'm going to Vote: Mr. Freeze (Zepher) for his suspicious behavior.
Zepher Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I'm going to Vote: Mr. Freeze (Zepher) for his suspicious behavior. Don't say the town lost due to lack of effort. "Suspicious behavior". Wonderful.
Brickelodeon Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I am really disappointed in you guys. Today, of all days, is the day we need to be discussing everything. I have given a crapload of evidence against Jluck, and you are about to lynch Zepher for "suspicious behavior". I want evidence, not cliches!
Piratedave84 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 I am really disappointed in you guys. Today, of all days, is the day we need to be discussing everything. I have given a crapload of evidence against Jluck, and you are about to lynch Zepher for "suspicious behavior". I want evidence, not cliches! The only solid evidence we have is that you are not town; we can TOTALLY lynch you today. Why are you defending him anyways? Whats in it for you?
Brickelodeon Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 The only solid evidence we have is that you are not town; we can TOTALLY lynch you today. Show me this solid evidence then. I want to see it. The only solid evidence I know of points to me being town. Once again, show me this solid evidence.
Piratedave84 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Lets look at you case on Jluck: What about Jluck? He, of everyone here, is the most scummy in my eyes. Earlier in the game, he sent me a PM suggesting we focus on whoever took the bullet proof hat. This is a decent plan, but only if the scum don't know about it. He was basically just setting up a townie to get lynched. Zepher is more likely SK in my eyes, and we should save him for later (if there is a later). Vote: Jluck (Jluck) So here your like "Hey guys! Look over here I have another random person whom we've not talked about, ever, let's vote for him! I don't have a case yet but I'll find something" Then you admit you have nothing on him but you are looking REALLY hard to pull something out of your behind I was still building my case against him. Now that I'm voting to lynch him, it's time to bring out the facts. I don't think he's scum based purely on this PM, he has just been acting scummy in my eyes. He is using a lot of words that I've often seen scum use in the past. there is more, but I'm still sifting through the threads. I will post a larger accusation when I have time. An finally we have this: Okay, here is more evidence of Jluck's scumminess: Day 1: He posts deceptively fluffy short sentences, basically agreeing with what everyone else is saying. Then he suggests that we openly decide who the vig should kill. He quickly jumps on a Walter Kovacs lynch after I make a post about Kovacs' being scum. He stays with this lynch for the rest of the day. Walter was confirmed town the next day. Day 2: He takes an item that none of the confirmed scum had taken yet. (not concrete evidence, just pointing that out). He then suggests that Tammo is town... Twice... He tries to put attention onto Fhommes instead. He makes a very confusing post with lots of percents and numbers, and announces that he is likely to vote for Tammo. He says that he would be happy to vote for Lind Whisperer instead of Tammo. He joins Tammo's attempt to start a bandwagon on Lind Whisperer (another scum), and does his best to get the attention off of Tammo. This is the logical scum move. By letting Tammo start the bandwagon on a fellow scum, Tammo would be cleared(-ish) when Lind turned up scum in the morning. After the Lind bandwagon fails, he tries once again to keep Tammo alive by making this post: Day 3: He takes Iron Patriots helmet (the bomb). A hat that Mostlytechnic(confirmed scum) had on a previous day. He pretends to threaten Lind Whisperer with a vote if Lind takes the vig. He suggests that everyone reveal their costume role. Fhommes tries to get a bandwagon on him going, but runs out of time. Day 4: Fhommes dies during the night. Jluck takes the bulletproof hat, his reasons being "I'm town". Because he knows that Lind will get lynched no matter what, he starts the bandwagon to make himself look good. When scrutinized today, he tells us to "look at his record". Well, I just looked at your record, and I didn't find anything that would convince me you are town. I really think that Jluck could be scum, and I think DD is his partner. Zepher or Lego Spy is the SK, and Dave and I are town. Of course, I could be wrong. There is a good chance that Dave is scum too, but this is based solely on the items he has chosen for each day. Let's break it down: Day 1: He posts deceptively fluffy short sentences, basically agreeing with what everyone else is saying. Then he suggests that we openly decide who the vig should kill. He quickly jumps on a Walter Kovacs lynch after I make a post about Kovacs' being scum. He stays with this lynch for the rest of the day. Walter was confirmed town the next day. And then selecting the Vig actually became a thing we all participated in, you included, you opened up the vote on Walter; 2 votes is not a lynch and Walter was never at risk. You cannot base an accusation on a day one vote. Day 2: He takes an item that none of the confirmed scum had taken yet. (not concrete evidence, just pointing that out). He then suggests that Tammo is town... Twice... He tries to put attention onto Fhommes instead. He makes a very confusing post with lots of percents and numbers, and announces that he is likely to vote for Tammo. He says that he would be happy to vote for Lind Whisperer instead of Tammo. He joins Tammo's attempt to start a bandwagon on Lind Whisperer (another scum), and does his best to get the attention off of Tammo. This is the logical scum move. By letting Tammo start the bandwagon on a fellow scum, Tammo would be cleared(-ish) when Lind turned up scum in the morning. After the Lind bandwagon fails, he tries once again to keep Tammo alive by making this post: Quote Well guys, I don't know about you but I feel pretty lost. It seems like most everyone thinks tamamono is town-ish and yet it's highly likely he's getting lynched. Usually, we go looking for scum, but now we've become distracted by the roles. I know people are worried about which roles will benefit scum, and that's a legitimate concern, but if we don't start catching scum soon, it won't matter which roles we've eliminated cuz the town will be eliminated. I don't have any good answers, especially since Lind is bulletproof, but it seems like we're walking a dangerous line. AHEM!!!! You were BY FAR the biggest supporter of Tammo, you even unvoted him and voted elsewhere. Also why would 2 scum vote for the same person outside a set bandwagon which almost certainly result in a scum lynch. Day 3: He takes Iron Patriots helmet (the bomb). A hat that Mostlytechnic(confirmed scum) had on a previous day. He pretends to threaten Lind Whisperer with a vote if Lind takes the vig. He suggests that everyone reveal their costume role. Fhommes tries to get a bandwagon on him going, but runs out of time. By this time the vast majority of costumes were know publicly or privately and exposing the remaining 3-4 would have made very little difference expecially since the usefull ones were all known. Day 4: Fhommes dies during the night. Jluck takes the bulletproof hat, his reasons being "I'm town". Because he knows that Lind will get lynched no matter what, he starts the bandwagon to make himself look good. That I can actually agree with; Fhomess death after implicating Jluck does seem suspicious BUT then again it could have been setup by the scum to make it look bad on Jluck; cirumstantial evidence but still something. When scrutinized today, he tells us to "look at his record". Well, I just looked at your record, and I didn't find anything that would convince me you are town. I really think that Jluck could be scum, and I think DD is his partner. Zepher or Lego Spy is the SK, and Dave and I are town. Of course, I could be wrong. There is a good chance that Dave is scum too, but this is based solely on the items he has chosen for each day. But then again there's nothing that suggest he's scum either. On the flipside we have eveidence that several dead townies were suspicious of Zepher for various reasons, we also have an overwhelming amount of evidence that you are not town; Zepher or you are the best bet for lynches. As for my chouce of item; I wanted to protect the important costumes for town. I am not sorry for my choices and I stand by my actions.
Brickelodeon Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 we also have an overwhelming amount of evidence that you are not town Stop avoiding the question. What is this evidence? You keep on saying there is some, but I can't find it for the life of me! If you really are town, you want to bring out good evidence, right? There are only three options here, and I'm not saying this to be mean: 1) You are very crafty scum. 2) You have been drunk or high (or both) for the past 24 hours. 3) You are an idiot. Even the PMs you sent me haven't made sense. First you claim that Zepher told you I said I was the SK. Then you claim Jluck said I told him I was the SK. Then, after I denied both of these, you just say "Then you have to be scum.". Please explain these PMs, and your most recent claim that you have "evidence" that I'm not town. If you avoid the question again in your next post, I'm voting for you.
Piratedave84 Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Stop avoiding the question. What is this evidence? You keep on saying there is some, but I can't find it for the life of me! If you really are town, you want to bring out good evidence, right? There are only three options here, and I'm not saying this to be mean: 1) You are very crafty scum. 2) You have been drunk or high (or both) for the past 24 hours. 3) You are an idiot. Even the PMs you sent me haven't made sense. First you claim that Zepher told you I said I was the SK. Then you claim Jluck said I told him I was the SK. Then, after I denied both of these, you just say "Then you have to be scum.". Please explain these PMs, and your most recent claim that you have "evidence" that I'm not town. If you avoid the question again in your next post, I'm voting for you. Bro this is a game; don't call me names and be polite. I'm actually offended that you would resort to alluding I'm high and call me names. I have made my case before, amd the evidence from DD, myself and Zepher against you is in thread; bother to read it. In case you have not noticed I am not trying to lynch you but trying to discredit your crappy case to sway the vote away from Zepher. I've asked you to be polite before and you ignored me so I'm done with you; I won't bother replying to you anymore.
Brickelodeon Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Bro this is a game; don't call me names and be polite. I'm actually offended that you would resort to alluding I'm high and call me names.I have made my case before, amd the evidence from DD, myself and Zepher against you is in thread; bother to read it. In case you have not noticed I am not trying to lynch you but trying to discredit your crappy case to sway the vote away from Zepher. I've asked you to be polite before and you ignored me so I'm done with you; I won't bother replying to you anymore. That's it. You are either playing extremely lazily, or you are scum. You won't (or can't because it isn't there) give any reasons why I'm not town. Intead, you allude to "the posts in thread" as the "evidence" you speak of. For def's sake man! At least say what the evidence is! When I gave my argument to lynch Jluck, I didn't just say "the evidence is in previous threads, go read that because I'm too lazy to do it myself". I re-posted it, and then backed it up with my own observations. You won't even take the time to point out what you are talking about. I have given defenses for all of the arguments against me so far, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. As for you "discrediting" my "crappy" case against Jluck, the only thing you did was convince me that you are scum buddies. I can assure you that it isn't a "crappy" case. The only "crappy" case I see here is yours. I backed my case against Jluck up with facts. You are backing yours up with laziness... I won't vote for you because I really do think that Jluck is scum.
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