mostlytechnic Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 As Pamela said, Al's tracker claim is uncontested - we have no reason to mistrust him at this point. Were you trying to contrive reasons to mistrust him? Ok, time to clear the air. Here's the facts: 1. Al lied. Flat out lied saying there was a cop result that I was scum. He's admitted it himself. 2. I didn't respond much at first because I KNEW that was a lie, and I wanted to see how it played out. Find out whether Al was lying or a claimed cop or what. We've gotten that answer now. 3. I AM THE TOWN VIG 4. I tried to kill Sarah, was told via PM that I was successful in my kill, but she was still alive. That's why I was confused... I knew something weird had happened. 5. So, Al now says a watcher saw me target Shirley. So my conclusion is there's a redirector of some sort that changed my kill of Sarah into me killing Shirley. Sucks, since that's NOT who I wanted to kill. There's the facts. If you lynch me today, we'll be losing the vig and you'll see tomorrow that I'm townie as can be. I do understand why I'm under massive suspicion, so here's another way to put me to the test. I'll withhold my kill tonight and let the cop check me out. He/she will confirm I'm town, and then I can get back to hunting scum with you. And if you want to waste the abilities, have the tracker on me as well to verify that I do NOT kill (which will also be confirmed by one less kill overnight) So, test me. Lynch someone else and test me overnight. That way the town keeps the vig (albeit an outed vig, so likely to get night killed at any point by the scum) and we don't waste a lynch on a townie. Day 1 did good, getting a scum lynched, let's keep it up. Oh, and while I'm at it: Vote: Sarah Harris (jackjonespaw) since my vig kill failed. Don't know whether it was a redirector targetting me and re-aiming my kill or some sort of deflection ability protecting her, but either way, she's still pinging me. (oh, and you're probably wondering why I voted Sarah instead of Al, since i'm obviously pissed that he lied. He did lie, but I don't think it's because he's scum. I think he just made a bad play as town. For whatever reason he didn't think the watcher claim against me would be enough so he exaggerated. The watcher claim alone I could defend against, like I did. But a flat out scum-read from a cop? That's surely a lynch. So he overplayed the info, but I don't think he did it maliciously, I think he just made a bad judgement call and lied)
JackJonespaw Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Thank you! Finally, one person here with a brain. Yes, I understand why everyone is voting against me, (and I'd be doing it in your place), but still... Al has felt weird this whole game so far. It's INSANE that a ton of people already claimed roles to him. He is in NO WAY cleared yet! More importantly, I KNOW that someone is lying. He is, or the claimed cop is. Or said cop is paranoid / insane, since I know he's wrong to say I'm scum. In fact, he's SO wrong to say that that I double checked with the bob to make sure no wrong info was sent out. 4. I tried to kill Sarah, was told via PM that I was successful in my kill, but she was still alive. That's why I was confused... I knew something weird had happened. 5. So, Al now says a watcher saw me target Shirley. So my conclusion is there's a redirector of some sort that changed my kill of Sarah into me killing Shirley. Sucks, since that's NOT who I wanted to kill. Bit contradictory there. Obviously, this doesn't change my vote. Just thought I'd point that out. Or I missed something. I'm not sure how a redirected kill is shown.
mostlytechnic Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Guess we got the scum killer. Figured that'd be y'all's response, but you're wrong. And I've offered a way to prove that I'm right, but you're not listening. Sure, lynching me will show the truth, but when I flip town tomorrow, we'll be out a vig and then you'll still have to hunt for the redirector and have Al as a liar. If you test me, we can lynch someone who's possibly an actual scum, keep a townie alive, and keep the vig in the game. Bit contradictory there. Obviously, this doesn't change my vote. Just thought I'd point that out. Or I missed something. I'm not sure how a redirected kill is shown. Yeah, you're wrong and I explained it. My PM just said that my kill was successful, but it didn't specify WHO was killed. So when day 2 began, I saw Sarah alive and 3 dead, so I knew something weird happened. Since a fake scum report on me was posted by Al, I asked bob if something had been done wrong overnight. He said no, so then I knew Al was lying for sure and something weird happened with my kill. A redirect of some sort is the only explanation I can come up with.
Bob Posted May 18, 2015 Author Posted May 18, 2015 Vote Count: Russell Price (Sandy) - 1 (TrumpetKing) Irene Allen (mostlytechnic) - 8 (TinyPiesRUs, Tamamono, Lady K, Jackjonespaw, Dannylonglegs, jamesn, Sandy, StickFig) Sarah Harris (Jackjonespaw) - 1 (mostlytechnic) Non-Voters: Palathadric, Dragonfire, Piratedave84, Kintobor With 14 players, it takes 8 votes to lynch. There is about six hours left in Day Two. Remember, you must vote everyday. Additionally, please try to post at least more than once a day. Mod Note: I accidentally left out TK's vote earlier; it's been added back in.
Tamamono Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Figured that'd be y'all's response, but you're wrong. And I've offered a way to prove that I'm right, but you're not listening. Sure, lynching me will show the truth, but when I flip town tomorrow, we'll be out a vig and then you'll still have to hunt for the redirector and have Al as a liar. If you test me, we can lynch someone who's possibly an actual scum, keep a townie alive, and keep the vig in the game. You've been investigated as scum, seen killing Shirley, and there's supposedly another vig claim. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.
Dragonfire Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I hope nobody is foolish enough to believe Irene's defense. Take a look at this for further confirmation of her scumminess: 1) Irene claims that she has no role Yeah, sucks to be me right now since I'm sure none of you will believe me. Wish I had a grand role to claim and save myself, but I don't. So assuming you carry out my lynch, when I flip town tomorrow, LYNCH AL! 2) Al confirms that a watcher saw Irene targeting Shirley (assuming they are both telling the truth, this means she can only be the vig, SK or a scum) Are you sure you don't have a role to claim? Because the watcher saw you targeting Shirley last night... And the watcher knew something that they couldn't possibly have known if they weren't telling the truth, so don't bother saying that they're lying. 3) Irene reads this and realises she's been duped. Her only way of saving herself is to change her claim and claim the only possible town role she can be. Ok, time to clear the air. Here's the facts: 1. Al lied. Flat out lied saying there was a cop result that I was scum. He's admitted it himself. 2. I didn't respond much at first because I KNEW that was a lie, and I wanted to see how it played out. Find out whether Al was lying or a claimed cop or what. We've gotten that answer now. 3. I AM THE TOWN VIG 4. I tried to kill Sarah, was told via PM that I was successful in my kill, but she was still alive. That's why I was confused... I knew something weird had happened. 5. So, Al now says a watcher saw me target Shirley. So my conclusion is there's a redirector of some sort that changed my kill of Sarah into me killing Shirley. Sucks, since that's NOT who I wanted to kill. 4) Al has told us that the vig claimed to him. This claimant is obviously not Irene. Contradictory claims with a clear motive = scum. Vote: Irene Allen (mostlytechnic) In the unlikely case that she flips town, we'll at least know that the person who claimed vig to Al is lying (or else Al himself is)
mostlytechnic Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 You've been investigated as scum, seen killing Shirley, and there's supposedly another vig claim. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck. No, I was NOT investigated as scum. I was seen killing shirley. That is NOT the same thing! I hope nobody is foolish enough to believe Irene's defense. Take a look at this for further confirmation of her scumminess: 1) Irene claims that she has no role 2) Al confirms that a watcher saw Irene targeting Shirley (assuming they are both telling the truth, this means she can only be the vig, SK or a scum) 3) Irene reads this and realises she's been duped. Her only way of saving herself is to change her claim and claim the only possible town role she can be. 4) Al has told us that the vig claimed to him. This claimant is obviously not Irene. Contradictory claims with a clear motive = scum. In the unlikely case that she flips town, we'll at least know that the person who claimed vig to Al is lying (or else Al himself is) Yeah, I addressed all that in my vig claim post. I said no role because I was trying to figure out what happened - since I got a "success" PM on my kill but Sarah wasn't dead, and then I get told I was investigated as scum which could NOT be true, I was trying to buy time. That was a mistake in retrospect, since hardly anyone's been around since then and I got pounded with votes. And I can't speak to any other vig claims. Could be the SK trying to get into the "town block" by befriending Al? (seen that one happen!) So yeah, I expect to get lynched in a few hours. When I flip town, remember that Al lied, your vig is dead, and whoever the other vig claim was needs to be outed and lynched. Good luck town, you'll needed it when you won't listen to simple reason or even show up. When the mod has to poke people to post, that's not good for the town.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Guess we got the scum killer. Looks like it! Oh crap! I forgot to make dick jokes!
Tamamono Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Looks like it! Oh crap! I forgot to make dick jokes! You promised you would! God, I'm so disappointed in you.
TrumpetKing Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Nice to see we have a supposed result. There's no better way to test this than to lynch, and if we're wrong, then we know to look into Al and his watcher. Unvote: Russell (Sandy) Vote: Irene (mostlytechnic)
Palathadric Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I always said I was a tracker, watcher was just the title I was initially given: Are you sure you don't have a role to claim? Because the watcher saw you targeting Shirley last night... And the watcher knew something that they couldn't possibly have known if they weren't telling the truth, so don't bother saying that they're lying. The cop didn't really target you. They investigated someone else, but those results aren't relevant at the moment. There's still a small possibility that you're the SK, but the Shirley kill seems more like a scum kill to me. Either way though, there's zero chance you're a townie. I'm curious as to whether there is actually a reason for you saying he was investigated at the beginning of the day, rather than just stating he was watched? You've been investigated as scum, seen killing Shirley, and there's supposedly another vig claim. Uh...apparently not. I still have a hard time believing Irene is scum, but at this point it's the only logical way to vote. :shrug: Vote: Irene Allen (mostlytechnic)
MagPiesRUs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 1. Al lied. Flat out lied saying there was a cop result that I was scum. He's admitted it himself. And you flat out lied when you said you were a vanilla. You had several opportunities to claim vig after I said you were scum but you didn't take it. I lied for a reason - I was worried you might try and claim an important role if I revealed the watcher claim straight away. If you had claimed to be the vig after I announced the cop result, I might have actually believed you and held off on voting for you until things were verified. But now? There's no way you're the vig. I lied for a reason. My lie benefitted the town. You lied for no reason. Claiming to be a vanilla when you're really the vig after learning you were investigated as scum is a sure fire way to get yourself killed. It would make no sense for the vig to keep their role secret in that situation, and straight up lying about it in the face of an investigation result (and with under 24 hours left in the day at the time) would be suicide. Then there's the fact that you never counter-claimed when I said that a vig had contacted me. If you knew someone was lying about that, why wouldn't you want to expose them? Even if you were worried about exposing your role, you would still be guaranteed to catch a scum. And as far as I'm concerned, the life of one vig for the life of one scum/SK isn't a bad deal at all. I guess I can understand why someone might want to be cautious about revealing something like that, so by itself I wouldn't have thought too much of it. But added to the rest of the case against you, it's pretty damning. 4. I tried to kill Sarah, was told via PM that I was successful in my kill, but she was still alive. That's why I was confused... I knew something weird had happened. 5. So, Al now says a watcher saw me target Shirley. So my conclusion is there's a redirector of some sort that changed my kill of Sarah into me killing Shirley. Sucks, since that's NOT who I wanted to kill. Although in that case, wouldn't the watcher have seen the redirector targeting Shirley too? When I flip town, remember that Al lied, Wait, didn't you say before that you didn't think I was scum? Good luck town, you'll needed it when you won't listen to simple reason or even show up. When the mod has to poke people to post, that's not good for the town. We are listening to reason. It would make absolutely no sense to let you go after you were seen targeting a dead man and after you inexplicably pretended to be a vanilla after you thought you'd been investigated. Though I agree that it's concerning how many people haven't bothered to vote.
Palathadric Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Uh...apparently not. This was referring to the first part of your sentence of course.
MagPiesRUs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I still have a hard time believing Irene is scum, Why?
Palathadric Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 And you flat out lied when you said you were a vanilla. You had several opportunities to claim vig after I said you were scum but you didn't take it. I lied for a reason - I was worried you might try and claim an important role if I revealed the watcher claim straight away. If you had claimed to be the vig after I announced the cop result, I might have actually believed you and held off on voting for you until things were verified. But now? There's no way you're the vig. Ah, okay. I see now.
Dannylonglegs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 You promised you would! God, I'm so disappointed in you. I'm so sorry! Here! Take a plump juicy sausage from Chez Albert! on the house tonight!
Palathadric Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Why? I don't know honestly. She seemed active and like she was pushing against scumbos, but I guess we just have quite a number of townies are acting like scumbos. I'm so sorry! Here! Take a plump juicy sausage from Chez Albert! on the house tonight! Eh? Who's paying for that?
Dannylonglegs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 I don't know honestly. She seemed active and like she was pushing against scumbos, but I guess we just have quite a number of townies are acting like scumbos. Eh? Who's paying for that? It's just one little wiener, boss! You won't even miss it! If it helps, you can take it out of my pay check!
mostlytechnic Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 And you flat out lied when you said you were a vanilla. You had several opportunities to claim vig after I said you were scum but you didn't take it. I lied for a reason - I was worried you might try and claim an important role if I revealed the watcher claim straight away. If you had claimed to be the vig after I announced the cop result, I might have actually believed you and held off on voting for you until things were verified. But now? There's no way you're the vig. I lied for a reason. My lie benefitted the town. You lied for no reason. Claiming to be a vanilla when you're really the vig after learning you were investigated as scum is a sure fire way to get yourself killed. It would make no sense for the vig to keep their role secret in that situation, and straight up lying about it in the face of an investigation result (and with under 24 hours left in the day at the time) would be suicide. Then there's the fact that you never counter-claimed when I said that a vig had contacted me. If you knew someone was lying about that, why wouldn't you want to expose them? Even if you were worried about exposing your role, you would still be guaranteed to catch a scum. And as far as I'm concerned, the life of one vig for the life of one scum/SK isn't a bad deal at all. I guess I can understand why someone might want to be cautious about revealing something like that, so by itself I wouldn't have thought too much of it. But added to the rest of the case against you, it's pretty damning. Although in that case, wouldn't the watcher have seen the redirector targeting Shirley too? Wait, didn't you say before that you didn't think I was scum? We are listening to reason. It would make absolutely no sense to let you go after you were seen targeting a dead man and after you inexplicably pretended to be a vanilla after you thought you'd been investigated. Though I agree that it's concerning how many people haven't bothered to vote. I lied about being vanilla because I had no idea yet what was going on. It was an impulsive response and yeah, it was the wrong call to make. As said repeatedly, I knew your supposed cop was wrong, I knew my kill didn't work right, and I was trying to figure it all out. I was HOPING that enough people would be around that I could explain and talk reason into people and not have to out myself as vig. I didn't counterclaim because at the time I didn't trust you at all. When you threw out a whole list of people that supposedly claimed, no, I didn't counterclaim and I hope no one else would either, since you weren't cleared at all and it could easily have been a scum ploy to catch the real roles. Honestly, the news about the watcher seeing my hit on Shirley made me trust you more. No idea about the watcher seeing the redirect. Depends on exactly what happened and how bob plays it - it's possible that the redirect was targetting Sarah and the new target is random, or whatever. I don't know. And no, I don't think you're scum. But you DID lie, and that needs to be remembered even if it isn't lynchable.
Piratedave84 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 You'll have to excuse this garbage of a post here but I was barely able to follow the thread over the long weekend so I'll vote with the group seeing that there's no reason not to test the claim. let's face it there's no reason why we would be presented with such an elaborate lie on day 2 after having lynched scum yesterday; There's too much to lose for scum to try and pull off a stunt like this so: Vote: Irene (mostlytechnic)
Palathadric Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 It's just one little wiener, boss! You won't even miss it! If it helps, you can take it out of my pay check! That's right it'll be coming out of your pocket.
mostlytechnic Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 You'll have to excuse this garbage of a post here but I was barely able to follow the thread over the long weekend so I'll vote with the group seeing that there's no reason not to test the claim. let's face it there's no reason why we would be presented with such an elaborate lie on day 2 after having lynched scum yesterday; There's too much to lose for scum to try and pull off a stunt like this so: Vote: Irene (mostlytechnic) Sorry, but this is lazy. I never said it was a scum stunt! It's me getting screwed over by a redirector and a lucky watcher, aka very bad luck for me (and the town!).
Dannylonglegs Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 That's right it'll be coming out of your pocket. Fine! The sausage is out of my pocket.
Piratedave84 Posted May 18, 2015 Posted May 18, 2015 Sorry, but this is lazy. I never said it was a scum stunt! It's me getting screwed over by a redirector and a lucky watcher, aka very bad luck for me (and the town!). I prefaced my post by saying it would be garbage ... Sorry I said it was a stunt, not you. What I'm saying is that it would make little sense to try and setup a lynch in the way it was if it were not true
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