LegendsOfNinjago Posted January 28, 2016 Author Posted January 28, 2016 B&P isn't back yet. The full update of parts should come after it's back. I surely hope so. It might change my budget just alittle. I plan on getting the Lighthouse regardless. Quote
PenPlays Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) We're not discussing a theoretical wave. We're discussing an actual wave we've already seen final images of most sets. That's not even relevant to the discussion, Rebooted actually did do something new. These aren't. I never said anything about a theoretical wave. I was simply stating the fact that, do to change in plans, Rebooted fared well (to most). Perhaps this one will follow suit. There's a reason why we celebrate anniversaries on the day they happen than five months later. I direct you to every video game anniversary that was celebrated in the past eight years... No, it really isn't. Okay, okay. To each their own I suppose. I think the word you're looking for is not "relevant", but "around" and "anymore". If you do truly mean the word "relevant" then I'm not sure how you can call the random appearance of two skulkin relevant and a location such as the Four Weapons Blacksmith irrelevant. Or the evil Nindroids, or the Stone Army, or Chen. Every one of these things had their time in the story and ha no actual need to return, and any return is already going to be out of place by your own standards. But very well, I'll go through my list and explain them. No. Relevance is when something is connected to the matter at hand. A reminder that, outside of the TV show, there no longer will be any direct references to anything prior to rebooted (because of the soft reboot to make this, now evergreen, to keep things from reaching a Bionicle G1 Level of Confusion). Odds are that, despite the Skullkin and Stone Warriors returning, there won't be any direct reference to 2011-2013's line of sets. Aside from, potentially, "these are the ninja's old enemies," and that being it. Four Weapons Blacksmith: Not destroyed, still viewed occasionally. As for the plot, the Lighthouse is a perfect example of how it could return. The lighthouse is a perfect example of a set that was made based off of older TV show material. The Blacksmith Shop set was designed first, however, and Four Weapons is the show's interpretation of that set. Young Garmadon: As you said, flashback character. He can return at any time. In the show. Unless of course the Ninja will be time-traveling sometime soon as a main part of the story/set line. I do think though, that, having younger versions of the Senseis would confuse kids much more than, let's say, Echo Zane would ("OMG a golden Zane!!") Young Wu: Flashback character, and more usable than Garmadon in the story because the older version isn't dead yet. See: Young Garmadon Garmadon: If Chen can come back, Garmadon can too. I had initially stated that: Aside from anything Cyrus Borg related, PIXAL, Kruncha, Nuckal, and potentially Garmadon, name one thing you've mentioned that would still be relevant at this point in time. Samukai: Had an appearance (of a kind) in the very first moments of the new season, that's anniversary celebration as it is. A beautiful few moments. I had stated that: Samukai and the Overlord are dead (if either of these characters show up in the two sets we haven't seen, then sure, they're relevant, but only then) Kruncha and Nuckal: Still make their appearance every now and again, and they're easily better choices for returning characters than Krazi and Frakjaw. See my response to Garmadon Skales: Still alive, last time we heard. Along with every other serpentine because none of them actually died. For you argument against him, Soto and Yang are perfect examples of characters who are far less prominent than Skales, yet returned anyway. In a set though? I mean if he's evil again, sure, but as a good guy...(confusion). Technically Soto and Yang have never had the opportunity to be in the sets (aside from the latter's statue in the Temple of Airjitzu). The Samurai Mech: IIRC one version still exists in the story, and if we can get a new Destiny's Bounty or Sonic Raider then why not the Samurai Mech as well? Ultra Dragon: See Samurai Mech Regarding the Samurai Mech: If someone were to take on the moniker of Samurai X, however, than sure, a new Samurai Mech similar to the Final Flight of Destiny's Bounty and the Stealth Raider 2.0 would be fine. And I redact my statement regarding the Ultra Dragon. For all we know, the Elemental Dragons might combine in a similar fashion. I'd love that. Maybe the movie will deliver something good. The Golden Weapons: While not relevant to the story, the least we could have seen was each one getting a variant like the Sword of Fire. Throw in Young Garmadon, Young Wu and then you've got all you need for an exclusive anniversary set. Again, confusion with kids. I'll state again about a reissue of older "collectibles" as new collectibles reduces value. I want them back as much as the next person, though. Overlord Dragon: The Overlord had a far more ambiguous death than Chen did, and I'm sure the writers could come up with some reason for him returning like this. He'd make a far better villain too. See my quote on Samukai and the Overlord above. The Elemental Masters: I don't know about you, but 10 people running around with elemental powers, one of whom was a fairly developed character, is still very relevant to future plots. There is no reason for them not to return, and people are already speculating they're going to in this season. If they are relevant in the next season, then sure, I'd like to see them in sets. They have to appear in a pivotal moment in the show, though, as just slapping them into a set would make it confusing. The only one I can't justify is Borg Tower. Because it's a bit big. I want one though. But what you've just said makes no sense. The little blacksmith LEGO released in 2011 hardly qualifies as the Four Weapons blacksmith, which is the only one you've presented a reasonable case for in that it's a building. As for Ultra Dragon, if the way dragons reach adulthood is by morphing into a giant four-headed albino dragon, there's no reason there could be no further changes or mutations. See my quote on these guys above. The Samurai Mech does not necessarily need Samurai X around, the story behind it could simply be a prototype Nya was working on before Wu told her no. Sure. As I said, anyone who is willing to take up the mantle of Samurai X, then sure. For all we know, Nya needs to disguise herself next season, so takes on the helmet again. Edited January 28, 2016 by Penkid11 Quote
BrickJagger Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Actually, a significant anniversary can be marked all through the anniversary year. There may be extra effort on the precise day, but something as fluid as a toy launch date (that varies from market to market) is impossible to pin to one day. So these sets do mark the fifth year of the theme. This is the sixth year of Ninjago, no? 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 Edited January 28, 2016 by BrickJagger Quote
LegendsOfNinjago Posted January 28, 2016 Author Posted January 28, 2016 He does have pointed. ^^^^ Quote
gunm Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Dragon is kind of nice, although I'm not sure about the material of the wings. I really only like the Tumbler, even though it "borrows" a lot from TDK both in style and name. :p Quote
Peppermint_M Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Unless launch is year 0. Then it is five Quote
azog Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 You know what I wonder is if the temple grounds or the x cave will have all of the ninja in there anniversary outfits with there golden weapons? Why else would they make that picture showing all the ninja holding there golden weapons? Quote
Mesonak Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 It's the sixth year, but the fifth anniversary of Ninjago. You can always look at it from that perspective. :P Quote
PenPlays Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) This is the sixth year of Ninjago, no? 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 According to set+story influence: 2011-2012, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016 5 full years=5 year anniversary We have just entered Year 6. Edited January 28, 2016 by Penkid11 Quote
Dr.Cogg Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 It would be weird for Sensei Yang to be the main antagonist of this wave, what is mad about Nadakhan moving his temple. Quote
Amazing Bricks Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Those trans green pieces on the black holders are looking great. What's with krazi holding the axe? He never had that. Quote
Tobias_Jay Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Those that complain that the lighthouse is inaccurate are asking for a set that contains a bland grey tower, the interior of which comprises primarily of a staircase. There are some things that fit the show and don't translate so well with the sets. The lighthouse set we have has colour and looks interesting. I'd say that there are a lot of children who collect Ninjago but don't watch the show, so a set that looks accurate to the dark gritty tower in the show is only going to appeal to one half of the market. Having an interesting looking tower that is directly based on a scene from the show, even including never before seen characters while also having the Ninjago charm we know and love will appeal to the vast majority of the market. I can understand wanting the sets to be accurate to the show, because I love the show too. But the sets are a totally different medium to the show. They always have been. There are aspects of the show that inspires the sets and vice versa. Phew. Well these sets are much better than I expected. The Stealth Raider is a personal favourite, with the Lighthouse and Zane's Tumbler following suit. There isn't a set I don't like and I'm really looking forward to seeing the last two. The figures are very nice, the new suits look very cool. I love the combination of the 2011 suits and the ZX suits. It looks like Ronin has a new torso print too, which is good and it's nice to be getting his hair, a piece that I lack at the moment. It's interesting to note that Cole isn't a ghost in any of the 'Rise of the Villains' sets... Quote
Umbra-Manis Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Are the Skybound sets in the US yet? No, March 1st is the release date. :angry: :angry: March release dates are a pet peeve of mine, as I have a late February birthday. Quote
Cagast Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Penkid - holy crack, that's the largest Eurobricks post I've ever seen. Good points though. Those of you that complain about the lighthouse probably haven't seen it fully closed (take a look at the box art). Sure there are some things that are different than the show version, but you can't really expect it to be identical to the one from the show. The show lighthouse has absurdly long staircase. And if the set was fully 'accurate' it would've been bland because the exterior (as we see it in the show) is empty and has nothing that would make the set look good. Edited January 28, 2016 by Cagast Quote
gamejutzu Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) I'm really disappointed with the hoods. I was expecting multi-colored 2011 masks. Wouldn't that be cool? But nonetheless, the outfits are otherwise great. I'm disappointed that the nindroids are not white, nor do they wear optical masks. But i'll still be getting that set anyway. The bad guy builds all around look really poor. Idk why... And I do say, Chen's chair looks much better in the show and could have been represented better here. But at least we have a T-Rex to cover for that though. Cole's hands are orange with black transparent? Interesting... I guess he really is Danny Phantom. Edited January 29, 2016 by gamejutzu Quote
LegendsOfNinjago Posted January 29, 2016 Author Posted January 29, 2016 @gamejitzu, it would be super hard to duel mold a single layer hood. It also doesn't allow for shoulder armor with sword holders. Quote
gamejutzu Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 @gamejitzu, it would be super hard to duel mold a single layer hood. It also doesn't allow for shoulder armor with sword holders. @ing me, does not work. Normally it's quoting if you want to get my attention. What do you mean by single layer hood? Aren't all the hoods single layered? And besides, they could have just made a dual layered new 2011 mold, that resembled the original. I'm so tired of seeing the same mask, over and over... Quote
PenPlays Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) @ing me, does not work. Normally it's quoting if you want to get my attention. What do you mean by single layer hood? Aren't all the hoods single layered? And besides, they could have just made a dual layered new 2011 mold, that resembled the original. I'm so tired of seeing the same mask, over and over... On the hoods the Ninja use in the Possesion sets (as an example), the black part of the hood is formed first, with the color "dual molded" over it. The original Ninja hood is a single mold. Edited January 29, 2016 by Penkid11 Quote
Mandate Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Those that complain that the lighthouse is inaccurate are asking for a set that contains a bland grey tower, the interior of which comprises primarily of a staircase. There are some things that fit the show and don't translate so well with the sets. The lighthouse set we have has colour and looks interesting. I'd say that there are a lot of children who collect Ninjago but don't watch the show, so a set that looks accurate to the dark gritty tower in the show is only going to appeal to one half of the market. Having an interesting looking tower that is directly based on a scene from the show, even including never before seen characters while also having the Ninjago charm we know and love will appeal to the vast majority of the market. I can understand wanting the sets to be accurate to the show, because I love the show too. But the sets are a totally different medium to the show. They always have been. There are aspects of the show that inspires the sets and vice versa. Those of you that complain about the lighthouse probably haven't seen it fully closed (take a look at the box art). Sure there are some things that are different than the show version, but you can't really expect it to be identical to the one from the show. The show lighthouse has absurdly long staircase. And if the set was fully 'accurate' it would've been bland because the exterior (as we see it in the show) is empty and has nothing that would make the set look good. You're both under the assumption I wanted full accuracy to the show version, which I most certainly never stated. My problem with the set stems from the fact that it strays too far from the design philosophy of the show version. All I expected LEGO to do was to take the show design, shorten it down so that it was at maximum four floors + roof, and packed with features, with a reasonable amount of accuracy in the details, with some embellishment to give it market appeal. I'll do a drawing, or something, soon enough to show what I think would have been the better choice, but I'm too tired to right now. I never said anything about a theoretical wave. I was simply stating the fact that, do to change in plans, Rebooted fared well (to most). Perhaps this one will follow suit. Except that I don't hate any of the "villain gang up" sets that we've seen. I like the new vehicle for Cole, I like the Titanium Tumbler, I like the new Stealth Raider, and to an extent I like Ronin's mech. The only thing I dislike is the villain side and the Skybound sets. I apologize about the theoretical sets thing, I didn't see your point at the time and now I do. I direct you to every video game anniversary that was celebrated in the past eight years... First two games that come to mind are the Halo Anniversaries. Halo CE Anniversary came out on the same day the original did ten years before, and the Master Chief Collection came out just two days after the ten year anniversary of Halo 2. No. Relevance is when something is connected to the matter at hand. A reminder that, outside of the TV show, there no longer will be any direct references to anything prior to rebooted (because of the soft reboot to make this, now evergreen, to keep things from reaching a Bionicle G1 Level of Confusion). Odds are that, despite the Skullkin and Stone Warriors returning, there won't be any direct reference to 2011-2013's line of sets. Aside from, potentially, "these are the ninja's old enemies," and that being it. But that's exactly it, you're justifying LEGO bringing back the Skulkin, Stone Warriors, Nindroids and Chen under the pretense that they are still relevant, when they aren't. The last time we saw the Skulkin was in the first half of 2012, and in the show more than 50 episodes ago. The Stone Warriors exist presumably leaderless and locked up in Kryptarium, they aren't any threat to NINJAGO anymore. The Nindroids were demolished, scrapped or repurposed into a security variant, as far as we know the "evil" version no longer exists (and if they do, they are leaderless and no threat). Chen and his Anacondrai died twice within eleven episodes. They really aren't relevant to the story anymore, they had a time and a place that has passed. At the very least characters like Kruncha and Nuckal would be immediately more recognizable than Frakjaw and Krazi, especially since Krazi stole Jestro's hat. Point is, none of who they brought back are relevant. They're just randomly chosen elements of NINJAGO's history regurgitated to fill shelf space. The lighthouse is a perfect example of a set that was made based off of older TV show material. The Blacksmith Shop set was designed first, however, and Four Weapons is the show's interpretation of that set. The Blacksmith Shop is near unrecognizable to Four Weapons, however. That's what makes it a better candidate than, say, the Temple of Fire, Fortitude, Light, Airjitzu,etc. In the show. Unless of course the Ninja will be time-traveling sometime soon as a main part of the story/set line. I do think though, that, having younger versions of the Senseis would confuse kids much more than, let's say, Echo Zane would ("OMG a golden Zane!!") But they'd be in "flashback" sets. No worse than the Toa Hagah, and coincidentally they actually were 5th anniversary sets. I had initially stated that: And I had initially stated that: But very well, I'll go through my list and explain them. That includes Garmadon, even if you said I didn't need to. A beautiful few moments. I had stated that: Chen's died twice. Samukai is already dead, and went poof creating a portal to another dimension and now we've got magic dimension-hopping tea and crystals. See my response to Garmadon Again, still a better choice than two random nobodies that never appeared in any meaningful capacity. Kruncha and Nuckal really would have been the appropriate and superior choice for anniversary sets. In a set though? I mean if he's evil again, sure, but as a good guy...(confusion). Technically Soto and Yang have never had the opportunity to be in the sets (aside from the latter's statue in the Temple of Airjitzu). Who said he needed to be evil in the show? Pythor didn't do anything evil in season 4 and yet he was still sided with the baddies in the sets, and yet he was the entire reason the villains were defeated. Regarding the Samurai Mech: Again, confusion with kids. I'll state again about a reissue of older "collectibles" as new collectibles reduces value. I want them back as much as the next person, though. Well, considering this entire wave's collectibles are either Djinn Blades or recycled older collectibles... what about these? See my quote on Samukai and the Overlord above. One of whom died in the same way another character survived death, and we're talking about a wave where a ghost, two skeletons and a man who's died twice have returned. Death really isn't an issue in NINJAGO. If they are relevant in the next season, then sure, I'd like to see them in sets. They have to appear in a pivotal moment in the show, though, as just slapping them into a set would make it confusing. Except that they could have made a set revolving around the elemental masters that would appear in next season. I don't know about you, but I don't really feel like discussing this anymore. Editing takes half an hour and cross-checking in another tab, and ultimately it's not going to make LEGO do anniversary sets the way I think would be right. Anyway, I bought Tiger Widow Island today. After a rather annoying amount of dealing with LEGO's Australian inflation and unneeded retail markups (when everything else was discounted ) I'm happy to say that it's worth every cent. I'm not finished building it at the time of writing this, but I love it already. It's larger than I expected, but Dogshanks is smaller than I expected. The temple simply looks gorgeous, and Wu's wash tub ballon is simply adorable, and I'm surprised at how well he fits inside it. Lloyd's variation of the Sword of Souls looks fantastic, and for one I'm glad that they color-coordinated the swords on a character. Ghost Cole looks much better with silver swords than gold, and I like the new armor pads more than I thought I would. Quote
LegendsOfNinjago Posted January 29, 2016 Author Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) These figures look AWESOME!!!! https://www.youtube....OqK92_E�� scroll to 3:30 Little dissapointed not to see the purple ninja or Danny Phantom Cole and for that matter a new suit for Nya. This of couse leads me to believe its not a finished set . However I will note a new cole face, Kuzo is significantly different , Pythor has new torsa and tail printing, a possible reprint of original sensei, no leg printing on Cryptor, new skeleton torso printing, and new printing on Ronin (his mech is now a must). Edited January 29, 2016 by LegendsOfNinjago Quote
DraikNova Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Someone switched Clancee and Echo Zane's upper bodies. Quote
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