Technic 2016 Discussion and Speculation

[efferman]

Cargo Bay and loading ramp to enter the cargo bay

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[Geekphysique]

We need to take these size informations (listed for b-models only?!) with some grain of salt... they're all seems to be heavily overexaggerated. But the price tags? seriously... that small kart costs 40 bucks and the mine loader 65, and helicopter is priced in same class as the crawler crane (!?)

those prices cant be true either.

Prices are in Canadian, that's pretty much what I would expect

[Ngoc Nguyen]

I was thinking of getting a 9396, but the information about the upcoming copter made me change my mind. At first I intended to save my budget for the Xerion, Volvo, BWE, but it seems I'd have to cut my spending further. Sometimes I hate Lego for knowing how to make me spend more money.

And I can't seem to imagine how can it be 80cm long?! That's even longer than the 42043 B model with trailer!!

Edited October 18, 2015 by nguyengiangoc

[allanp]

That 80 cms is for the b model, correct? That is described as a twin rotor, like a Chinook. so with the length including the blades 80 cms is very impressive but not unbelievable.

Edited October 18, 2015 by allanp

[Vectormatic]

That is probably rotortip to rotortip, so if the rotors are 49 cm in diameter, the axles are roughly 30 cm apart

[Emmi]

Too bad the description for the Airport Rescue Vehicle is still missing.

So far on my to-buy list:

LEGO Technic Race Kart (42048)

LEGO Technic Drag Racer (42050)

LEGO Technic Heavy Lift Helicopter (42052)

Edited October 18, 2015 by Emmi

[Kman860]

Too bad the description for the Airport Rescue Vehicle is still missing.

I actually forgot about that

[zux]

I actually forgot about that

Just checked website, no details about Airport Rescue Vehicle.

[Kman860]

Just checked website, no details about Airport Rescue Vehicle.

Are 100% sure things like the display team jet, airport rescue vehicle and such are even coming out?

[Jay Psi]

I'm hoping for Tumbler rear tires in Drag Racer.

If I had money to bet, I'd put some on the Drag Racer having Tumbler tyres; the days of TLG making new moulds for pieces that have limited use are long gone. But I don't have any money spare, because it looks like I'll be using it to buy almost all of the 1H2016 sets!

That dragster.... THAT DRAGSTER! New pistons, V8, clamshell body, Power Functions.... AWESOME!!

Interested in the "wheelie function" and if the PF will be able to move it fast.

Are we sure about this? I don't see anything in the description that implies new pistons. New coloured pistons, maybe, but even that's a long shot to me. What I'm quite interested in is how the motorization will work. There was zero mention of steering (and why would there be? I doubt a Lego drag racer will have enough power to lose control out-of-the-box!) so will it end up as a PF version of what we see with pull-back models? If it was designed to move with the M-motor then I can't imagine it being that quick.

Any dragster powered by just a medium motor and 50 - 60cm long, I fear the Wheelie function might be a little disappointing, there is no way the motor has the power to make it wheelie, so it must have some mechanical advantage which will lift the front wheels off the ground? maybe a hidden thrid wheel?

I agree, it must have some mechanism in there. Maybe a linear actuator (sorry allnp...) connected to a linkage that pushes on the ground to tilt the model until it rests on the wheelie bar, which will probably have a small wheel on it so the bar doesn't drag on the ground. The large Tumbler tyres will help with tilting the model (if they are in this set).

Edited October 18, 2015 by Jay Psi

[Geekphysique]

Are we sure about this? I don't see anything in the description that implies new pistons. New coloured pistons, maybe, but even that's a long shot to me. What I'm quite interested in is how the motorization will work. There was zero mention of steering (and why would there be? I doubt a Lego drag racer will have enough power to lose control out-of-the-box!) so will it end up as a PF version of what we see with pull-back models? If it was designed to move with the M-motor then I can't imagine it being that quick.

I have a feeling it will be something along the lines of the Old Power puller set for that. Manual steering but motorized, so pretty similar to what you're describing.

[Kman860]

If I had money to bet, I'd put some on the Drag Racer having Tumbler tyres; the days of TLG making new moulds for pieces that have limited use are long gone. But I don't have any money spare, because it looks like I'll be using it to buy almost all of the 1H2016 sets!

:laugh: :laugh:

[Saberwing40k]

Why do I feel like we're missing something with the prices? I just do not see the Helicopter being the same price as 42042, which you can clearly see from the screengrab. I converted the prices, and it still comes out the same. So, I don't think the prices are accurate, at least for that particular set. As for the dragster, I don't really see it being able to wheelie on its own, at least not without some internal mechanism. I am aware of a Racers set, number 8667, that could do a wheelie on its own, but that set would be tiny, and then there is the part that pull back motors have enormous torque relative to the weight of the model.

Finally, if the price for the mining loader is accurate, the simple claw arm is inexcusable. But, the b model sounds interesting. I'm not sure what to interpret "Mine Cutting Machine" as, because that could mean a lot of things, including a road header. But, the only wheeled mining machine that I see as being likely is this:

It's a large rock wheel saw, but I recall these being used more for trenching than mining.

Another possibility is a tunneling jumbo, like this but with only one drill:

[Jay Psi]

I have a feeling it will be something along the lines of the Old Power puller set for that. Manual steering but motorized, so pretty similar to what you're describing.

Ah yes, I forgot that the Power Puller had manual steering (I only bought it for the wheels...). That would tick all the boxes and as long as the steering isn't too prone to bump steer it should keep the drag racer going straight under power.

[Geekphysique]

Why do I feel like we're missing something with the prices? I just do not see the Helicopter being the same price as 42042, which you can clearly see from the screengrab. I converted the prices, and it still comes out the same. So, I don't think the prices are accurate, at least for that particular set.

Canadian pricing is marked up over American pricing beyond just the exchange rate. For comparison, the previous big helicopter (9396) was priced at $149 here. That set did not include power functions either, so this pricing isn't totally out of line.

Looking at the pricing for something like the service truck (42008) it also comes out at $149.

If there is a bit of price change between what I posted and when it's released I doubt it will be much.

The crane is a 1400+ piece set with power functions, 9396 was a 1050+ set without. Seeing as this is a power functions set it is conceivable that it will be comparable in price if the piece count is 1300-1400+. I would imagine that the counter rotating blades mechanism chews up a large number of pieces, and the specialty parts (rotor blades) will also bump up the price a bit

Edited October 18, 2015 by Geekphysique

[Babaloveslego55]

Interesting that I started trying to build the race kart last night too.

So far I've got this:

Having not figured out the steering mechanism, the rear part of the car is hard to build too.

I've made it heres a video:

[Kaanere]

Are we sure about this? I don't see anything in the description that implies new pistons. New coloured pistons, maybe, but even that's a long shot to me. What I'm quite interested in is how the motorization will work. There was zero mention of steering (and why would there be? I doubt a Lego drag racer will have enough power to lose control out-of-the-box!) so will it end up as a PF version of what we see with pull-back models? If it was designed to move with the M-motor then I can't imagine it being that quick.

Someone said earlier that it has a new piston colour, green.

And it mentions steering in the product description.

[Geekphysique]

Someone said earlier that it has a new piston colour, green.

And it mentions steering in the product description.

Green would be an odd choice for a model with a blue/black colour scheme. Seeing as this model comes with no power functions and requires you to provide your own it's pretty much a given that steering will be manual. It may have working steering off the steering wheel though, which will be a welcome change from the sets we have had for the last while.

With any luck it will have room to put a servo in there so we can fully RC the thing though

[Paul Boratko]

A drag Racer description (42050)

Product Description

Wheelie from the start line to the finish with the high-powered Drag Racer, featuring a vivid-blue and black colour scheme with flame stickers, working steering and a detailed V8 engine with moving pistons. The body shell of this is robust 2-in-1 LEGO Technic model can be lifted to reveal the chassis, exhaust pipes and working transmission. Upgrade with the 8293 Power Functions motor set (not supplied) for motorized driving and wheelie functionality. Rebuild into a Supercharged Dragster for a double build-and-play experience.

Funny thing about this is that Dragsters and Top Fuel Cars don't have transmissions.. Maybe the main model is just a drag-strip car..?

Edited October 18, 2015 by Paul Boratko

[Saberwing40k]

Well, not in the same sense that cars do, no. But then, neither do most go carts.

Edit: As I have found out, most top fuel dragsters have a multi clutch pack instead of a gearbox. Usually, some of the clutches have welded together by the end of the run. But, I've heard that the non nitromethane dragsters often have a transmission derived from a 2 or 3 speed GM Powerglide, but heavily uprated and with a clutch instead of a torque converter.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Saberwing40k

[Paul Boratko]

Wonder if we'll finally see a new type of clutch gear..?(maybe 24 tooth)

[Paul Boratko]

Well, not in the same sense that cars do, no. But then, neither do most go carts.

Edit: As I have found out, most top fuel dragsters have a multi clutch pack instead of a gearbox. Usually, some of the clutches have welded together by the end of the run. But, I've heard that the non nitromethane dragsters often have a transmission derived from a 2 or 3 speed GM Powerglide, but heavily uprated and with a clutch instead of a torque converter.

Yes, I have a friend that races top fuel and it is very expensive..

[Kman860]

Wonder if we'll finally see a new type of clutch gear..?(maybe 24 tooth)

I doubt it

[Paul Boratko]

I doubt it

I am hoping that we do get a few new clutch gears...Would make things much easier.. A 20 tooth clutch bevel gear in the Race Kart would make the 2 speed gearbox very easy..

Edited October 19, 2015 by Paul Boratko

[falconluan]

I think steering simply uses a 3L half beam which moves tehs teering rack via a pin...

Thanks to your idea, I built the steering like this:

It is a little loose though.

BTW I don't think it will has an auto center mechanism, since it's a manual set after all.

Edited October 19, 2015 by falconluan