Bionicle 2016 Story Discussion & Rumors

[VBBN]

inb4 Telltale Games presents: Bionicle

But yeah, I love the style and hope it looks as good on screen as I think it will.

[Bbrink1996]

inb4 Telltale Games presents: Bionicle

That would be amazing. I'd pay to make it happen. :p

[TheGreatSpirit]

The TV show pic looks pretty good IMO, but what I'm really hyped about is the return of the 3 virtues. If they keep up the throwbacks to G1 at this rate, Mata Nui might come back in some form.

[GK733]

According to someone on 4chan the comic has some pretty interesting stuff.

First you deny the temple, then you deny there's a mask, then you deny there's a half of the mask. What are you going to deny next?

Edited December 29, 2015 by GK733

[Dorek]

Interesting... I really hope we see it in set form!

(also they totally know what the lower half is... it IS the lower half, according to the GN itself :U)

[Aanchir]

Interesting! I guess that about confirms that. Good to finally have some real evidence rather than just speculation. Though it surprises me they'd reveal this so soon. Part of me would've expected them to save any further details on the Mask of Time until a year when it plays a bigger part in the story. It's also frustrating that it seemingly makes the graphic novel illustrations even more egregiously wrong...

[GK733]

Interesting! I guess that about confirms that. Good to finally have some real evidence rather than just speculation. Though it surprises me they'd reveal this so soon. Part of me would've expected them to save any further details on the Mask of Time until a year when it plays a bigger part in the story. It's also frustrating that it seemingly makes the graphic novel illustrations even more egregiously wrong...

Yeah... using lower half as a placeholder for the upper mask is really shady.

[Vinyl Scratch]

I feel this guarantees that there'll be two more years at least. One for the Mask of Ultimate Power and another for the other half of the Mask of Time.

Or maybe I'm wildmassguessing this too much.

[Dorek]

I feel this guarantees that there'll be two more years at least. One for the Mask of Ultimate Power and another for the other half of the Mask of Time.

Or maybe I'm wildmassguessing this too much.

Yeah, it's interesting to see what they'll do with that.

Then again, there's so many possibilities I don't know what to think. It could be an oblique "here is your connection if you want it" deal, it could be a future plot point (of which, then, how do they handle THAT? One half per wave? What about the MOUP? Unless that's ALSO this year?), it could be nothing at all and just another in a long line of teases they've doled out. Props to the team for being infuriatingly obfuscating.

Edit: Vaguely related: The second graphic novel has an official title and synopsis: "Battle of the Mask Makers"

On the mythical island of Okoto, six heroes have united to protect the last of their tribes. Once, peace ruled the six divided regions and their people--that is, until a battle erupted between two mask makers. As Makuta sought to control the ultimate power, only his brother, Ekimu, could stop him. Join Tahu, Kopaku, Onua, Gali, Lewa, and Pohatu as they learn about the origin of their masks and where their elemental powers come from.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Dorek

[DuckBricks]

Yeah, it's interesting to see what they'll do with that.

Then again, there's so many possibilities I don't know what to think. It could be an oblique "here is your connection if you want it" deal, it could be a future plot point (of which, then, how do they handle THAT? One half per wave? What about the MOUP? Unless that's ALSO this year?), it could be nothing at all and just another in a long line of teases they've doled out. Props to the team for being infuriatingly obfuscating.

Edit: Vaguely related: The second graphic novel has an official title and synopsis: "Battle of the Mask Makers"

Nice, a flashback graphic novel! I'm excited for that!

[Quisoves Pugnat]

According to someone on 4chan the comic has some pretty interesting stuff.

First you deny the temple, then you deny there's a mask, then you deny there's a half of the mask. What are you going to deny next?

Very interesting...

This does seem to confirm that we'll get some sort of remake of the original Vahi.

As for how this will play out, I imagine it will counteract the Mask of Ultimate Power. Perhaps it will restore Makuta to the way he was, prior to donning the MoUP.

While we're on the subject, the preview for the first graphic novel suggests that the Mask of Time didn't speed up the planetary-alignment. Which begs the question, what did it do?

Edited December 29, 2015 by Quisoves Pugnat

[Iben]

It could be an oblique "here is your connection if you want it" deal

I think it's going to be just that. To me, it seems that they are dropping all kinds of small hints that there indeed might be a connection between these two alterations. But it's up to you to fill in the holes, it's up to you to imagine how you would connect the dots. Pretty much giving us some room to imagine, which is what Lego is all about. That's why I seriously hate it when you have people running around saying "no G2 and G1 are not connected", "OMG G2 would be so stupid if it's connected to G1", etc. Because they're just undermining what Lego stands for, imagination. I don't see them ever truly confirming a link between the two, but I don't mind. These subtle hints are there for those who want it, but they can easily be ignored by those who don't. It's the perfect solution for both groups in my eyes.

Personally, do I want G2 to be a continuation of G1 ? Not really no. Let G2 be its own story, with its own lore and legends. Does that mean they cannot be connected ? Certainly not. A connection through Masks of Time sounds a nice touch to me, and it would in no way imply that G2 isn't able to be a stand-alone story. G2 wouldn't be a continuation of G1, even if they're loosely connected through shared Masks of Time.

-Iben

[Gatanui]

Personally, do I want G2 to be a continuation of G1 ? Not really no. Let G2 be its own story, with its own lore and legends. Does that mean they cannot be connected ? Certainly not. A connection through Masks of Time sounds a nice touch to me, and it would in no way imply that G2 isn't able to be a stand-alone story. G2 wouldn't be a continuation of G1, even if they're loosely connected through shared Masks of Time.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

[Kalhiki]

WELL NOW.

Being an advocate of not wanting the two continuities to be connected, all I can say is that I'm intrigued. Right now I'll just sit back and see how this plays out.

Though say, hypothetically speaking, that the lower half is the Mask of Time from G1. My problem is that the Vahi was never "half a mask" to begin with. It was a full mask that looked like half a mask. I guess if G2 is super ridiculously far in G1's future, the villagers could have just assumed it was half or broken and made the top to "fix" it.

[Iben]

WELL NOW.

Being an advocate of not wanting the two continuities to be connected, all I can say is that I'm intrigued. Right now I'll just sit back and see how this plays out.

Though say, hypothetically speaking, that the lower half is the Mask of Time from G1. My problem is that the Vahi was never "half a mask" to begin with. It was a full mask that looked like half a mask. I guess if G2 is super ridiculously far in G1's future, the villagers could have just assumed it was half or broken and made the top to "fix" it.

I don't think that "connected" should imply that G2 is the future of G1. Connected could mean that they're alternate universes, that each new reboot has a piece of a greater puzzle, and that there's a way to connect them. But I don't think that "connected" should imply that it needs either story to be a story on its own. G1 doesn't need G2 to be what it is. And G2 certainly doesn't need G1 to be a story of its own.

However, in the G1 universe the the Vahi indeed wasn't "half a mask". At least not as far as we knew it. However, in a bigger "universe", it might become "part of a full mask". Kinda like the way you can connect certain Lego sets actually. Each set on its own isn't "half a set", but you can combine them to form a bigger whole. It's a nice continuation of the whole "uniter" vibe.

Overal, although it indeed doesn't literally say that the Vahi is the lower half of the mask, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I mean, brushing off the Vahi's in the animations as "just an easter egg" is a bit of a stretch for me. If it was "just an easter egg", then it would have appeared once or twice, but not that often tbh.

IMHO, I love these little "there might be a connection" hints. They are so easily ignorable if you don't want it, but they're food for imagination for those who do. It's a perfect compromise if you ask me :P

-Iben

[Dorek]

IMHO, I love these little "there might be a connection" hints. They are so easily ignorable if you don't want it, but they're food for imagination for those who do. It's a perfect compromise if you ask me :P

-Iben

I'm not a huge fan, personally. One way or the other, I think the debate needs rest, because nobody is really going to settle for a wishy washy "well if you close your eyes and BELIEVE, it is!" answer. It's a cop-out, and makes them look more like they're deliberately avoiding the decision at all. Trying to appeal to all sides is much more likely to end up appealing to none of them.

I'm totally okay if these sort of hints actually do lead up to something, one way or the other (I still think that this is a self-contained story point, meant as a vague reference to the previous gen without connecting it), but if it never amounts to anything, and the "bottom half" stays lost, that would be an enormous waste of potential.

[Onepu the Protector]

Wouldn't it make more sense if the upper half was the one that was missing?

[Tazakk]

Wouldn't it make more sense if the upper half was the one that was missing?

Not if the idea is that the G2 universe has the upper half, and the lower half is 'lost' in the G1 universe.

[Kalhiki]

I don't think that "connected" should imply that G2 is the future of G1. Connected could mean that they're alternate universes, that each new reboot has a piece of a greater puzzle, and that there's a way to connect them. But I don't think that "connected" should imply that it needs either story to be a story on its own. G1 doesn't need G2 to be what it is. And G2 certainly doesn't need G1 to be a story of its own.

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IMHO, I love these little "there might be a connection" hints. They are so easily ignorable if you don't want it, but they're food for imagination for those who do. It's a perfect compromise if you ask me :P

-Iben

True, true. G2 could be some parallel universe or somesuch. Doesn't need to be connected through... time.

Still, curious to see if/how they connect the continuities. I just see way too many potential faults with the idea, but who knows what they could come up with.

Also, I feel the need to mention that there's the possibility that the bottom half isn't[i/] G1's Vahi. All we know is that the bottom half is lost. Nothing beyond that.

And agreed. I love the "might be" connections. Leaves a bit to the imagination.

[Quisoves Pugnat]

Also, I feel the need to mention that there's the possibility that the bottom half isn't[i/] G1's Vahi. All we know is that the bottom half is lost. Nothing beyond that.

True, but seeing as the whole split mask-thing seems to stem from the appearance of G1's Vahi, down to the chap at Comic-Con calling it "half a mask," it's a safe bet.

[Dorek]

True, but seeing as the whole split mask-thing seems to stem from the appearance of G1's Vahi, down to the chap at Comic-Con calling it "half a mask," it's a safe bet.

Actually, I think it's the other way around. This IS the "half a mask" thing they were talking about the entire time; we just didn't understand exactly what they meant because the specifics were saved for this book. My interpretation is that they were saying "in G1, there is a mask of time that is [physically] half a mask, and in G2, we will take that design concept and turn it into a story point", only not in so many words.

Basically, for the Vahi to be the "bottom half", that would essentially require either an explicit set connection (i.e. a representation of a G1 object in G2 form) or for them not to include the lower half of the mask at all.

[Iben]

because nobody is really going to settle for a wishy washy "well if you close your eyes and BELIEVE, it is!" answer.

Oh no, that's not really what I meant. What I meant was that there are clues hidden all over the place, and if you connect the dots you get something that hints at a connection. Not a wishy way, but more amongst the lines of "if you look for it you'll find it"-kind of thing. But still, all easily ignorable and with no major influence on G2's own story. ;)

-Iben

[Tahu]

So if the Gen 1 Vahi would connect to the Gen 2 Mask of time that could cause both universes, both dimensions, both timelines and both words to merge together. And the result can be either a contination of one of the dimension without the memory of the other one or it could cause a possible birth of Gen 3 where everything gets rebooted like the past two generation would have never existed.

Is this enough for a headache?

[Lyichir]

So if the Gen 1 Vahi would connect to the Gen 2 Mask of time that could cause both universes, both dimensions, both timelines and both words to merge together. And the result can be either a contination of one of the dimension without the memory of the other one or it could cause a possible birth of Gen 3 where everything gets rebooted like the past two generation would have never existed.

Is this enough for a headache?

That is absolutely the worst direction they could possibly take this, and would fly in the face of the initial concept of this being an independent reboot.

I dearly hope that both halves of the new Mask of Time are in the G2 universe, because the last thing the new story needs is alternate universe shenanigans with universe-altering implications.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Lyichir

[Aanchir]

That is absolutely the worst direction they could possibly take this, and would fly in the face of the initial concept of this being an independent reboot.

I dearly hope that both halves of the new Mask of Time are in the G2 universe, because the last thing the new story needs is alternate universe shenanigans with universe-altering implications.

I think there are ways the G1 and G2 universes could be tied together, even via the Mask of Time, that wouldn't result in either continuity becoming dependent on the other. I mean, Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are an "alternate universe" version of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, yet you don't have to know what was different about the original games to understand the new ones. There is just an allusion in a post-game scene to the fact that there's another world where changes in the distant past (specifically, the war that created Mega Evolution never happening) made things happen differently. The Legend of Zelda games also tend to do a good job alluding to other games or even other timelines with other versions of the characters without requiring you to know all the details of what happened in those games/timelines.