Sandy Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 ...and I've two kings already (chess set and castle siege). You guys do realize that the king can easily be changed into a generic soldier by removing the armor and replacing the crown with a helmet, right? It's not like the minifig is glued or anything... So less whining, and more gratitude that we're getting Castle-sets this year at all, please. Quote
concreteasflesh Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 My impressions thus far, Kings Chariot: i agree with the general feeling that this poor horse needs some PETA back up. Maybe they could get a Pamela Anderson minifig in a bikini to protest. One more horse would be great, but I guess it will all come down to cost effectiveness. I see this set going about 20$. Otherwise good to see properly armed trolls and the golden armor is always welcomed. Also I dont know if the wheel size is new or not, I have 2 sizes myself, but this one look like its minifig and even horse sized. I hope the chest is gold as well. improvements: I think a shield for the knight would be nice, and a reduction in the overall bulkiness of the chariot and hitch. And is that knight floating or standing on his high lord kings chariot!? Drawbridge Defense: I disagree with the anti-ness towards the golden knight. It would be awesome if his legs and arms were pearl gold. The face mask looks pretty golden to me and coupled with a pearl gold helm would be pure pimpness. Imagine how many ladies he would pick up at the Medieval Market Place!? The new plume is a welcome addition. The jester is a bit out of place but it looks like the skelie will take care of him with that spear :) The princess or queens head is covered by some odd piece, but would be nice as well, the King and his 6 daughters. Again the Pimp knight needs his ladies. The fig selection is nice, good to have a cape as well. The building itself looks to have some nice details, I hope the ramp is attached to the tower itself and will be less steep. Ive liked the knights color scheme so far with Dark Blue and Pearl Gold but these new sets look great with just the Pearl gold as well. improvements: I hope they can smooth out the ramp and make sure it is attached from the bottom to the tower. Troll Fortress: This set looks tricky as well. When the photos of Kings Castle Siege came out it looked much smaller and less dimensional then it really is, I hope the same optical illusion applies here. It looks like a separate troll faction all together. The big trolls look great with the black armor and what looks to be the Troll jaw logo on they belt and helm. I hope they keep the black and the clubs look much better as well. There does seem to be a color difference in the Troll kings crown and the imprisoned kings. If you look closely it even looks like the Troll king is wearing the kings armor! I hope that could be taken as an indication that he will receive his own armor piece as well. Those new flame pieces are quite stylish. Its sticking nicely with the fig count, as far as I can tell 10 in total, just like 7094. 6 Trolls, and 4 Crownies. Though my only issue is if your gonna take a king hostage wouldnt you just take him out instead? And what kind of rescue is a 3 knight gang goinna pull off?! Otherwise I think it looks decent overall, should the structure be kept as is, you can always Troll it out with some flags and more flames and some rubble looks. Its also quite wide from the looks of it, as the structure is past the knight in the far left. improvements: A bit more griminess and grit, and maybe minus the king and replace with a golden knight or a wench? But in reality I wont judge until they are official and either way im looking to add all 3 of them to my bustling and growning collection. It might not be on par with the 07-08 collections but it still beats pretty much anything else besides the true classics. Quote
Sandy Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Also I dont know if the wheel size is new or not, I have 2 sizes myself, but this one look like its minifig and even horse sized.... The princess or queens head is covered by some odd piece, but would be nice as well, the King and his 6 daughters. Again the Pimp knight needs his ladies. The wheel size is not new, I have three sizes of carthwheels, and the ones of the chariot are the biggest. Also, you can see the queen minifig included in the Drawbridge Defense on the very first page of this topic. It's definitely the King's wife, so all knights should keep their hands well off of her. Quote
I Scream Clone Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 The wheel size is not new, I have three sizes of carthwheels, and the ones of the chariot are the biggest.Also, you can see the queen minifig included in the Drawbridge Defense on the very first page of this topic. It's definitely the King's wife, so all knights should keep their hands well off of her. Im fond of 'keeping there bricks to themselves' You make a good point about whining, lets enjoy the fact TLC is making/continuing the Castle theme for a while longer. Otherwise we will be in a Medieval Dark Age again Quote
Oswald the Rabbit Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I think a new set would be Hunting Party Ambush. It would come with the king, 2 horses, his huntsman, a new molded stag, a tree like the one in medieval village and 2 orcs one on a new molded boar that has a place for a minifig to ride. Would work well to adapt for zoo sets and forest. Quote
DaleDVM Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Nice idea Oswald. Although it won't happen any time soon. Heck we got the market this year I wouldn't be looking for any more groundbreaking sets in the castle line. As for whining about the kings included. I will whine till the cows come home. Hey... the cows did come home (in the market set) didn't they?! Well I'm gonna keep whining anyway. I tend to collect many copies of lego sets and also army build. I think lego should keep the king to two types of sets. Big ones like KCS, and impulse sets with only the King included. That impulse set would sell great... I think lego really loses business when they put individual character figs in cheaper sets that some would buy many copies of for army building. So less whining, and more gratitude that we're getting Castle-sets this year at all, please. Although I am a great fan of lego castle, (I have multiples of almost every set ever made) I will never be a blinded fan. Should I just be happy they are releasing something for me to spend my money on. I think not. They want my money and therefore I have the right to give my feedback on the products they release. It is your "just release anything castle" type of attitude that gave us Knights Kingdom. TLC should not just release castle sets but they have to be well designed and desirable to the masses. I think they have done well over the last 2 years, but I do worry about the near future. I don't just want something to buy this year, I want a great product line that will sell very well and therefore go on for years to come. I think your comments are rather short sighted. Buying extra helmets just to make the king some sort of guard is something I already do. However, I don't want to do it for every set i buy. So far this year all three sets have figures I do not need too many of. I hope the final models will change but I have no great hope for it. Please let there be battle packs later in the year so I don't have to buy all those extra figs... Quote
Mr Spielbrick Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 They want my money and therefore I have the right to give my feedback on the products they release. You have been told you also have the right to just not buy the sets you don't like, right? It is your "just release anything castle" type of attitude that gave us Knights Kingdom. TLC gave us Knight's Kingdom. No one else. TLC. TLC should not just release castle sets but they have to be well designed and desirable to the masses. I think they have done well over the last 2 years, but I do worry about the near future. I don't just want something to buy this year, I want a great product line that will sell very well and therefore go on for years to come. I think your comments are rather short sighted. That's getting a bit personal, isn't it? No need to have at people like that. As for TLC "just" releasing Castle sets... A lot of time, effort and creativity went into designing those KK sets. No less than in any Castle line before or after it, I bet. TLC is not the kind of company to aim for mediocricy. They, like you, want to have a great product line that will sell very well. Unfortunately, KK was not the big hit they hoped for. C'est la vie. Even Steven Spielberg makes less fantastic films sometimes. In my opinion this latest Castle line is great. With each year, TLC is gradually expanding the world of this Castle era, and I for one absolutely love that. Sure, some sets appeal to me more than others. I've developed a rather effective technique of coping with that, though. I buy the sets I like and I leave the rest for those with slightly different preferences. LEGO is a toy. Let's keep a normal perspective. Quote
Athos Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Are all these observations from the really blurry pictures, or are there new ones out there. If there are newer clearer ones, could you point me in their direction. Steve Quote
Sandy Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Are all these observations from the really blurry pictures, or are there new ones out there. If there are newer clearer ones, could you point me in their direction. I don't want to sound rude, but you can point yourself to a few pages back in this topic where there are several links leading to much clearer - but still preliminary - pictures of the sets. The same galleries are linked to every "2009 sets" topic in this whole message board, as well. I think lego really loses business when they put individual character figs in cheaper sets that some would buy many copies of for army building. I still don't get this "army building" thing. I don't think you actually play out war scenes with these collected armies, so how come it bothers you if there's a dozen kings or more in your army? Isn't the collection just to show off that you have a horde of minifigs and make everyone jealous? Also, the chariot comes with another soldier, so you can always just chuck the "undesirable" king away and put the soldier in the reigns. Why are you making such a big deal out a simple matter such as this, anyway? It's just one minifig. Quote
Sir Dillon Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Are all these observations from the really blurry pictures, or are there new ones out there. If there are newer clearer ones, could you point me in their direction.Steve They were posted on the last page. Here are the links: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirdano/3212767499/http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirdano/3213615412/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirdano/3212769451/ Quote
Athos Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 They were posted on the last page. Here are the links: Thanks. I guess I must have skipped that page in my back reading... I think those wheels on the chariot are the same ones that were used on the engines of the Rebel Blockade Runner. Steve Quote
Sir Dano Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I think those wheels on the chariot are the same ones that were used on the engines of the Rebel Blockade Runner. I believe they are: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=33211&in=S Quote
frogstudio Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) TLC should not just release castle sets but they have to be well designed and desirable to the masses. I guess that the masses of CHILDREN buying LEGO Castle sets and PARENTS buying LEGO for their children: A)don't buy multiples of each set, B) will LOVE to have or give their kids a King minifig without having to purchase the big expensive sets. Sorry, don't mean to ofend anyone, but I'm sick and tired of hearing this kind of arguments about being an army builder and so, and on that, arguing that TLC is doing a wrong move, and, above all, ALWAYS FORGETTING THAT TLC IS A TOY COMPANY, MAINLY AIMED AT CHILDREN!!!! If you're an army builder, buy multiples of impulse sets or simply visit Bricklink, but don't expect TLC to condition a product line to your PERSONAL needs... Edited January 23, 2009 by frogstudio Quote
concreteasflesh Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Ive come to realize that there are 3 wheel sizes, and the one in the Kings Chariot is the same as the Skeleton Prison Carriage. It will be nice in that brown color. Otherwise, I think its healthy for us as fans and for TLC to hear feedback from everyone possible, even if it is considered whining, being picky or griping about anything. As long as something is presented in constructive criticism with the tools and ideas of moving a concept forward. I agree that if its just "Needs like 5 more figs and armor and no more kings" or along the lines of selfish input for ones own gain then its better to rethink the advice for the purpose of the benefits for both the producer and consumer. Otherwise, I think its a low out put this year, but being its a spring or first half release Im hoping another 3-4 sets will pop on by this year. But 4 great sets non the less that are gonna be bought out and built up! :P Quote
The Rancor Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) King's Carriage I think I might pass on the King's carriage. I already have many carriages from previous castle lines. I also already have the sweet King minifig because I got him in the Castle magnet set. The carriage may be between £7.99 and £12.99, judging by the box size. Drawbridge Defense This looks like the best set actually in my opinion. (excluding MMV of course ). I like the inclusion of skellies in a set again because I already have a mixture of trolls and them (however, only about 3 white skellies) The actual drawbridge looks well designed, and I think it can be used as some sort of outpost for the crownies. I don't really understand the inclusion of the unarmed Jester (which I have from the advent calendar). However... I the Golden Knight. The Drawbridge may be between £20 and £30. Troll Mountain Fortress I don't really like this set. Sure, it has really awesome minifigs, especially the new green ogre, but I don't like the setup. The fortress doesn't seem to have any back walls, which I don't really like. I preferred the innovation of the Skull cave from '07. It's much better as the evil hideout, but I must admit there isn't enough room for the troops and there's only a little rock catapault The fortress may be £50. my 666th post... I hope it's not a bad omen! Edited January 23, 2009 by The Rancor Quote
Sir Dillon Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Sorry, don't mean to ofend anyone, but I'm sick and tired of hearing this kind of arguments about being an army builder and so, and on that, arguing that TLC is doing a wrong move, and, above all, ALWAYS FORGETTING THAT TLC IS A TOY COMPANY, MAINLY AIMED AT CHILDREN!!!! If you're an army builder, buy multiples of impulse sets or simply visit Bricklink, but don't expect TLC to condition a product line to your PERSONAL needs... I understand you're frustrated, but please calm down and post in a respectful manner. Yelling isn't going to help anything. Quote
Tyrant Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I guess that the masses of CHILDREN buying LEGO Castle sets and PARENTS buying LEGO for their children:A)don't buy multiples of each set, B) will LOVE to have or give their kids a King minifig without having to purchase the big expensive sets. Sorry, don't mean to ofend anyone, but I'm sick and tired of hearing this kind of arguments about being an army builder and so, and on that, arguing that TLC is doing a wrong move, and, above all, ALWAYS FORGETTING THAT TLC IS A TOY COMPANY, MAINLY AIMED AT CHILDREN!!!! If you're an army builder, buy multiples of impulse sets or simply visit Bricklink, but don't expect TLC to condition a product line to your PERSONAL needs... I'm not going to throw out the "don't include Kings so I can army build" complaint. But, what you are doing is just as bad. If they didn't care about sales to adults, they wouldn't have representatives come to websites (such as this one) primarily visited by adults. They wouldn't make army builder sets (guess what, they do). They wouldn't have the parts for the Skeletons on PAB so you can horde them cheaply to your hearts content. They do these things because they have realised a truth that most other toy companies are coming to realise. Adults make up a noticeable percentage of their purchasing base. Tied to that, adults can sink a lot more money into these than kids can. I have something like 14 Dwarven Mine Defenders and 10 or so Tower Raids along with 3 Dwarfs Mines and at the moment 6 King's Castle Sieges and I am not done buying these yet. I believe that is above and beyond what several children, even with their parents buying presents, can easily acquire. So, even if adults are a fraction of buyers, they make up for it big time in how much they purchase. I'm not saying don't sell to kids. I'm saying that I would have thought on a website primarily populated by adults who seem to have fairly large collections that it was generally accepted that adult fans shouldn't be competely forgotten. As for the King, I have no problem with them putting him in cheaper sets. It is good for kids and good for me (and other adults, presumably). If he were the only figure I wanted (like the maiden in the current pirate ship) I would have a way to get one that didn't involve buying a $100 set. I wouldn't want to see them in $10 sets (though the impulse sets are okay) but $20 and up is okay. The kids should be thought of. A lot. But, the adults should be considered as well. Something like the old figure sets or like the current Star Wars army builders would be perfect and would help balance complaints like this by providing what I would think would prove a profitable option. Then agan, I am not sure what the appeal for multiples of that chariot would be beyond the shields (though that could also be solved y reintroducing accesory packs or puttng them on PAB, but that's another battle). Quote
Dr.Cogg Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 I like the Design of the Troll fortress,but I would change the colors ,first, all the light bley would be changed to dark bley,the rocks(burps) would be changed to light brown ,all the wood,changed to dark brown ,the red spikes ,changed to silver,and maybe add lava(transparent orange)and the Troll king would have gold football armor,and a new crown mold that could fit on the armor. Quote
fenrir Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 I don't realy like the new sets right now. ( Like always) I'll buy them anyway eventually. (Like always) And I'll love them. (Like always) Quote
Shakar Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 I don't realy like the new sets right now. ( Like always)I'll buy them anyway eventually. (Like always) And I'll love them. (Like always) Glad to hear that this doesn't only apply only to Bionicle, but to the other themes too. :PI lke the Troll Castle. I may get it, with the money I'm saving by not buying the Bionicle Vehicles and Fero and Skirmix. Shakar Quote
Teddy Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) I don't realy like the new sets right now. ( Like always)I'll buy them anyway eventually. (Like always) And I'll love them. (Like always) Yep, that is already happening with me. I must say I like the sets much better on the newer photos. I'm still not sure of buying them now. But, when I see them in the shop I will probably see usefull minifigs and parts. And will buy them anyway. Put them on my desk and start to like the set. Or use the parts in a MOC. Kind regards, Teddy P.s. as Sandy pointed out the king can easily be changed in a regular knight, it can already be done with the extra pieces of the impulse set "the knight". Edited January 25, 2009 by Teddy Quote
metalandi Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 I don't know why, but i think with an overworked design and the final boxart and HQ pictures, these sets will look awesome. I'm pretty sure mostly nobody would have bought last years sets from only seeing blurry prelim pics of them. Quote
Algernon Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Wow, so much negativity. Personally I like the Troll Fortress, in terms of construction it looks very good. The Drawbridge looks good as well, but I don't think I'll be getting it. The chariot, however, looks meh. Quote
Visorak-kal Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) I am liking the Troll Fortress because, unlike many large sets that are released, it is completely three-dimensional. The fortress is circular in design, and has both a front and a back. It isn't a massive Mountain Fortress with no back. Like the King's Castle Siege, it is fully enclosed, and I really prefer that in larger sets. Not to say that sets without it are inferior... Drawbridge Defense also looks cool, though it sort of nullifies the only exclusive the Castle Advent Calendar had. Still, the Advent Calendar was 30 dollars and came in 2008, while the Drawbridge appears to be more expensive and comes out half a year later. King's Chariot? Eh. The chariot itself looks cool, and it is a nice way to get the King. However, I was hoping for something a bit smaller. Plus, one horse cannot pull that thing. Two horses, though iffy, would have been fine, but one? EDIT: AH! I just realized something terrible about all three of these sets...THERE ARE NO DWARVES! VK Edited January 25, 2009 by Visorak-kal Quote
hollisbrick Posted January 26, 2009 Posted January 26, 2009 Wow, so much negativity. Personally I like the Troll Fortress, in terms of construction it looks very good. The Drawbridge looks good as well, but I don't think I'll be getting it. The chariot, however, looks meh. Yes but when better pics come out they will love em' As always Quote
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