Blacktron Mafia: Day 1, Stellar Conflicts

[Bob]

Excalibur! I've been told this sword is good at getting rid of tree stumps.

Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

All your posts earlier were fishy and suspicious, as was your behavior. I'll echo others by saying you shouldn't give up playing or fighting.

[Chromeknight]

Vote: Clemintine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

Worrying that Seamus is the godfatheris such an oddly specific concern. To be attributing it to someone else to explain a joke, attempting to imply that both 4of2 and Aaron are both scum and trying to run a con is not merely grasping a straws but a flight of fancy so daft it may well betray a guilty concience.

[Sir Stig]

Major Dave: Psst, you are standing upside down. And a friendly advice, don't forget about personal hygiene. You may want to consider washing at least your feet

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

I agree with Chromeknight on this one. It is strange to come up with such a detailed combined accusation right of the bat, and this worries me more than the Doctor Wen situation. I feel Doctor Wen is a distraction, although the panic and upset pinged a lot. But when he went overboard and wanting to quit, I was thinking he may not be scum. If he is it is very foul play, and he should not only be lynched, but sent into space without life support. I suggest lynching Clementine and block/investigate Doctor Wen.

[Captain Nemo]

Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

I think he's being a detriment to the town.

[Xenophobic Monoxide]

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

I don't want this to seem like a revenge vote, but I think others have brought up valid points, and I have been saying for some time that it was suspicious how she immediately accused someone of being the godfather with such detail: not to mention, after that she seemed to try and throw the attention off of herself.

[TheLazyChicken]

Looking back through things, Clementine HAS been pretty ping-y.

You are basically suspecting a total of about 4 people in only Day 1, with your suspicions of 4 this day, we'll have 8 scummy looking people on Day 2... To me this seems a bit unhelpful because when almost everyone is suspected, people will all result voting for different people because of the suspicions and responses, which would probably result a no lynch later on or you swaying us all to lynch another person because of so and so.

You've been pretty quick to accuse people on the first day and you brought the Godfather thing up as well.

Then there's Dr. Wen, to me he seems like a townie noob, just like someone said above, him being scum would surely be foul play.

I'm pretty sure we would get more information out of you than out of Dr. Wen.

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)[\b]

Wait let me try this again;

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

[Ranger of the Forest]

Argh, I see you kids have been busy while I was gone. I can't go into depth with quoting right now, as I've been experiencing tonal plasma difficulties of late. First off, Doctor Wen. If we're being being technical about it, most of us have time for this game...of life. Especially when there are challenging external forces at play. It's just choosing to play regardless, if you get something worthwhile out of it (not hypocritical for me to say at all...)

While I agree that some of your posts have been scummy, I don't think you're actually scum at the moment, although that is subject to change. Don't give up just yet, stick with it.

But honestly I don't really want to vote for Clementine yet either. Call me wishy washy if you want, but I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone right now. It's day one, so granted there normally isn't any chance of lynching scum. But considering we are basically forces to vote, I want to keep that gun in my holster until it actually comes times for me to shoot it.

With all the name calling and weird names it's been hard to keep track of what's going on (especially when you're still half asleep) but here are a few general notes: getting super defensive on day one, or at any other time, makes you look more suspicious. I speak from (limited) experience here, so y'all rookies better listen up. I'm in the middle of devilering another important bit of cargo so I'll forgo the in depth analysis for now, but frankly sets my pinger abuzzing is those people who seem happy to stir up confusion from the sides and not add anything new to the discussion. I know this could seem to be a wide curtain of people, but there are several especially who come to mind. I'll get more into detail on this when I can.

[MagPiesRUs]

I too find it odd how quick Clementine was to point out that Seamus could be the godfather. It just seems strangely specific and anticipatory of something that may happen down the line. However, she has also put herself out front and centre throughout the day, which doesn't seem like something scum would want to do on the first day. Personally, I am more wary of Dr. Wen for being just a little too quick to take Seamus' side.

I have been saying for some time that it was suspicious how she immediately accused someone of being the godfather with such detail: not to mention, after that she seemed to try and throw the attention off of herself.

Looking back at your posts, I don't see much evidence that you were suspicious of Clementine. Your interactions with her felt to me as if you were hoping that she and everyone else would drop the issue so that we could move on to something else:

Upon rereading this thread, I think I misread some of your earlier posts. It seems more like you were saying we should approach things with caution, exactly what I've been trying to advocate this whole time.

I say we should do something, but at least try to get some evidence before actually lynching someone.

What I said last was me trying to rebuke Clementine, who was accusing me of only posting Fluff, when she said herself that there was very little to post.

Hopefully that misunderstanding is all cleared up.

First of all, why does everybody keep saying I defended Seamus? I have said multiple times that I wasn't defending him and instead was trying to prevent rash decision making. We can't just lynch someone based on the fact "they might be the godfather", they have to act scummy first.

Strongly disagree? I admitted that there is a large possibility that he could be scum- I just thought it was rude to immediately accuse someone of such.

From these posts, it doesn't look like you see Clementine as particularly scummy. It looks like you saw her more as a mistaken townie with a poorly thought-through argument.

Because of all this, I will Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

[mostlytechnic]

What do you mean back on topic? We're not really talking about much of anything except for how scummy Wen's statement about defending Seamus is. You're going on and on about people not posting fluff when there's nothing of substance to talk about yet. We're not even at the twenty-four hour mark yet. Are we going to get back on topic to you yelling at us to stop posting fluffy things? You're posting more then anyone else is and it's mostly been complaints about the content being posted. These posts themselves are fluffy since it's so easy to just say that and make yourself look not only active but also helpful to the town.

If we're going to talk about substance when there's nothing much to say yet, yes, Wen talking about defending Seamus for no reason on the second page of Day One when there's nothing to defend him from is exceedingly suspicious. It seems like he's trying to move past it hastily by saying "but I posted that a while ago." It doesn't matter if it was "awhile ago" (two hours is not awhile ago), it still warrants discussion since it's scummy as hell.

Bock here was referring to Clementine and her constant yammering. Considering how much Clem has said, yeah, complaining about other people being fluffy seems off.

To me, Xen immediately jumps out as scummy, for the same reasons as several have stated above. Why else would he strongly disagree with the possibility of Hinckley being scum? Certainly only stems from belonging to the scum team...

Pingy....second post and just a bandwagony agreeing with other people's suspicions, AND inflating things. Saying Wen was strongly disagreeing, and pretty blantantly calling him scum. Just feels overplayed to me, but that could easily be noobishness.

You mean you'd rather be unhelpful and alive than helpful and dead? If you notice anything interesting or have any suspicions, it's best to let us know. That's how we're going to catch the scum.

This, 1000 times this. Harriet, I know this seems to contradict my last comment, but there's no good reason to hold back suspicions on day 1. The odds that you've actually figured out something enough to become a scum kill target is about zero (there's just not enough info out there yet to ACTUALLY deduce anything) and even if you do die, then those of us that remain will give some extra weight to whatever you said and it's a great way to actually catch scum. Just like lynching a townie by mistake on day 1 gives us a ton of info, who gets killed overnight ALSO gives us info. And since the Federation has a large advantage in numbers (and the scum have a large advantage in knowledge), we need to convert people into facts.

As for my vote, I don't have one yet. I don't actually think that either Wen or clem are scum. Wen may be a bit of a distraction so far, but I've seen it happen on other planets before. He may come back and be a great help to the federation. Lynching him today gains us NO knowledge, since it'd be way too easy for the traitors to vote him without repercussions. And clem is too vocal to be Blacktron.

[CMP]

Hmm...

The case against Clementine makes sense. She has been seriously all over the place in terms of the suspicions, whether based on any random sentence or two or pre-conceived ones based on metagaming. But I simply don't feel comfortable having Doctor Xen around after that outburst. And I already brought up that immediate contradiction in her previous statements. Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

That should be his previous statement, sorry. You humans and your silly genders.

[Hinckley]

As for my vote, I don't have one yet. I don't actually think that either Wen or clem are scum. Wen may be a bit of a distraction so far, but I've seen it happen on other planets before. He may come back and be a great help to the federation. Lynching him today gains us NO knowledge, since it'd be way too easy for the traitors to vote him without repercussions. And clem is too vocal to be Blacktron.

So you have placed them both in the Town column?

[Lind Whisperer]

You are basically suspecting a total of about 4 people in only Day 1, with your suspicions of 4 this day, we'll have 8 scummy looking people on Day 2...

...Are you saying that because I'm suspecting 4 people on Day One, that then I'll suspect a new four on Day 2? Not quite sure how you got to 8...

To me this seems a bit unhelpful because when almost everyone is suspected, people will all result voting for different people because of the suspicions and responses, which would probably result a no lynch later on or you swaying us all to lynch another person because of so and so.

Gee, imagine a townie vote that wasn't a straight bandwagon. There would be no way we could get information out of that...

And we have 19 players, with mandatory voting. There's no math that allows for a no lynch, unless someone undergoes the no vote penalty.

Then there's Dr. Wen, to me he seems like a townie noob, just like someone said above, him being scum would surely be foul play.

Because scum always play clean, and above board.

This, 1000 times this. Harriet, I know this seems to contradict my last comment, but there's no good reason to hold back suspicions on day 1. The odds that you've actually figured out something enough to become a scum kill target is about zero (there's just not enough info out there yet to ACTUALLY deduce anything) and even if you do die, then those of us that remain will give some extra weight to whatever you said and it's a great way to actually catch scum. Just like lynching a townie by mistake on day 1 gives us a ton of info, who gets killed overnight ALSO gives us info. And since the Federation has a large advantage in numbers (and the scum have a large advantage in knowledge), we need to convert people into facts.

^This.

Doctor Wen seems like the usual First Day newbie bandwagon vote - someone says something stupid/acts out a bit and gets lynched for it. He could very well be a newbie scum, but he doesn't ping me. Harriet Stomper, however, did.

Vote: Harriet Stomper (mediumsnowman)

...Are you saying that because I'm suspecting have suspected, and may or may not continue to suspect, 4 people on Day One...

[Hinckley]

And we have 19 players, with mandatory voting. There's no math that allows for a no lynch, unless someone undergoes the no vote penalty.

We could all split our votes between like three people, man. Then nobody would get the votes required for a majority.

Rudimentary math can be a challenge, man. Lay off the space dust and clear your head a little.

[Lind Whisperer]

We could all split our votes between like three people, man. Then nobody would get the votes required for a majority.

Rudimentary math can be a challenge, man. Lay off the space dust and clear your head a little.

6 + 6 + 7 = 19

As I typed, unless someone undergoes a vote penalty, there has to be a majority...unless, I suppose, the math goes 3, 8, 8 or some variation of that... My bad.

[Dannylonglegs]

Host note; Majority means a majority of all players (10) must vote for one player to lynch that player.

Also, the host would like to point out that voting for one's self will be honoured, if ever anyone can actually think if a reason to do that.

[Lind Whisperer]

Host note; Majority means a majority of all players (10) must vote for one player to lynch that player.

Also, the host would like to point out that voting for one's self will be honoured, if ever anyone can actually think if a reason to do that.

If someone were playing a Jester, that'd be a reason.

[Hinckley]

6 + 6 + 7 = 19

As I typed, unless someone undergoes a vote penalty, there has to be a majority...unless, I suppose, the math goes 3, 8, 8 or some variation of that... My bad.

Host note; Majority means a majority of all players (10) must vote for one player to lynch that player.

Also, the host would like to point out that voting for one's self will be honoured, if ever anyone can actually think if a reason to do that.

Yeah, man, like do you notice how neither 6 or 7 is equal to 10. Crazy that, dude.

[Lady K]

After wading through seven pages of back and forth matches between only a few space community members, one stands out above the rest......Clementine Lister.

Clementine, you called for a stop to fluff when fluff is standard and fun for Day 1. You seem to be very concerned about a godfather role in a very experienced and active member of our space community when it is still just Day 1. You also, in bold loud letters mind you, really wanted to know how soon voting started when it is clearly stated in the rules, and it is only Day 1. And you argue with one newer space member and then vote the newest space community member and it is only Day 1.

Dude,...why the rush? We have time to voice our suspicions and discuss all possibilities. Why are you so trying to get rid of newbies on Day 1 instead of carefully analyzing everything that has been said in relation to experience? This to me is very Blacktron scummy tactics of trying to look like an active helpful space townie while getting rid of inexperienced possible space town community members which would then be an easy cover for you if said lynch target turned up loyal townie. Very scummy behavior.

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

[Dragonfire]

Also I think Minga presses on a little hard without much to go on, so that makes me suspicious of her as well, despite her pretty makeup.

Minga is not sure exactly what Zipzup means by this. Surely Zipzup is aware that we have absolutely nothing to go on at the beginning of Day One, and "pressing on" is one of the most common scum-hunting tactics. Does Zipzup expect the scum to just be served up on a platter before him? Of course not. To find scum, we must "press on without much to go on".

Clearly, I don't think there is never a good reason to agree with someone. I'm primarily suspicious when someone quickly agrees with a powerful player on day 1, when the one players that know who is town and who is scum is...well the scum. It's a suspicion that I've seen play out in the past, scum are too quick to agree with town players in an attempt to "buddy up". Also, attempting to deflect suspicion onto someone just because they have commented about you. *ping*

Fair enough. But Minga was also suspicious of Clementine, and felt the need to announce her suspicions. Seamus just happened to post before Minga did. Minga is glad that Ender is trying to find scum, and Minga agrees that it is a common scum-play, but Minga must assure Ender that he is... what do those Earthlings call it... barking up the wrong tree.

As for deflecting suspicions, Minga assumes Ender is referring to Minga's comment about "why has Ender singled me out". In Minga's opinion, this is not deflecting suspcions, merely responding to an accusation/defending oneself. Deflecting of suspicion is IMO scummier when the person who deflects suspicion is not directly involved in the conversation/suspicion itself.

As for voting, while Doctor Wen has been scummy, Minga feels that it is mostly from inexperience. Minga remembers a past Doctor who was lynched on Day One for n00bish posts which the Town took to be scummy. The main reason why Minga's vote will not be going to Doctor Wen is that from Minga's experience, Scum do not give up and announce they're leaving the game and quitting Eurobricks. In a way, Doctor Wen reminds Minga of a certain tree called Hazel, in another life entirely. Minga also feels that the "flash-wagon" against Doctor Wen is rather scummy in itself.

That said, Minga would be willing to vote for Doctor Wen to get a lynch.

Clementine, on the other hand, has been suspicious. Although Clementine has been described as being "too talkative to be Scum", Minga believes that Clementine has simply changed playstyles. Clementine seems to be very sure of herself, which she wasn't before as either Scum or Town. This confident attitude is also present in Clementine's posts in Heroica; therefore Minga concludes that Clementine has simply become more confident as a player/person, and it is not alignment indicative. Minga has already explained why she finds Clementine scummy, and thus she will:

Vote: Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer)

Of course, this vote is subject to change should a better candidate arise.

After writing the post, Minga has noticed Doctor Wen's decision to stay on Eurobricks. If he is scum, that is a blatant AtE which will cause him to lose the respect of his fellow players for good. Horrible scum tactic.

[Hinckley]

IMO

In Minga's Opinion

[Lind Whisperer]

After wading through seven pages of back and forth matches between only a few space community members, one stands out above the rest......Clementine Lister.

Clementine, you called for a stop to fluff when fluff is standard and fun for Day 1.

No, I called for a stop on people posting blatant obviousities. Slight difference.

You seem to be very concerned about a godfather role in a very experienced and active member of our space community when it is still just Day 1.

Yes, because he's a "very experienced and active member of etc., etc.".

You also, in bold loud letters mind you, really wanted to know how soon voting started when it is clearly stated in the rules, and it is only Day 1.

Yes, because Harriet had pinged me, and I wasn't sure how many more hours it was. I bolded it so that our host would clearly see it.

And you argue with one newer space member and then vote the newest space community member

Because said "newest space community member" made posts that together suggested scum.

and it is only Day 1.

You really like saying that, don't you?

Dude,...why the rush? We have time to voice our suspicions and discuss all possibilities. Why are you so trying to get rid of newbies on Day 1 instead of carefully analyzing everything that has been said in relation to experience?

Just because someone's a newbie, doesn't mean they aren't scum. If someone posts a suspicously scummy post on Day One, I vote for them.

This to me is very Blacktron scummy tactics of trying to look like an active helpful space townie while getting rid of inexperienced possible space town community members which would then be an easy cover for you if said lynch target turned up loyal townie. Very scummy behavior.

And you're only repeating the points other people have made about me, and agreeing with them. I could just as rightfully say that that is more scummy than anything I've done.

[Dragonfire]

In Minga's Opinion

Minga approves

(Unofficial) Vote Tally

Dr Wen / Xeno-Mono - 7 votes

Clementine / Lind - 6 votes

Harriet / medium - 1 vote

10 votes needed to lynch

We now have two lynch wagons. Should the eventual lynchee flip scum, it will tell us a lot about alignments.

Just because someone's a newbie, doesn't mean they aren't scum. If someone posts a suspicously scummy post on Day One, I vote for them.

Newbies flail. Newbies are scummy by definition. Only experience will show them what's scummy and what isn't. The trick is figuring out the difference between a "Classic Scummy Newb-Town" and a newb-scum (like Clementine in Cosplay Mafia 2). Not excusing Harriet for her actions, but Minga thinks Clementine needs to calm down and stop jumping to conclusions.

[fhomess]

Major Dave: Psst, you are standing upside down. And a friendly advice, don't forget about personal hygiene. You may want to consider washing at least your feet

Hey, now Mr. Right-side-uppity, this is freakin' OUTER SPACE! There's no up or down here, only different latitudes to bend your mind to. Perspectives you can't get with higher G's. If you look closely you'll see that I was all over the place just gettin' the feel for this jib, following the rainbows, and parading with the marmots. Sometimes they go up, sometimes down, but I'm wizard if I can tell which is when.

As for Tangerine and Dr. Wen, Tangerine has persisted in an effort to steer the conversation and come up with some very specific accusations that are based on fear more than any sort of logic. She's also had the odd issue with being able to count to 10. Personally, I think that indicates she is less likely to be working with others than to indicate that she's part of an evil syndicate. As for Dr. Wen, I think the strongest case against him came from Nathan. Everyone else has focused just on the potential distraction that he might be, but Nathan actually reviewed his accusations. I think those observations take what would otherwise be, IMO, a lynch to get rid of an unhelpful space cadet to a case that has a little bit of merit behind it.

Vote: Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide)

[Dannylonglegs]

Vote update:

7 votes for Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide): (Mediumsnowman, Hinckley, Tariq, Bob, TinyPiesRUs, CallMePie, Fhomess)

7 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Captain Nemp, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire)

1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): (Lind Whisperer)

[Dragonfire]

Vote update:

7 votes for Doctor Wen (Xenophobic Monoxide): (Mediumsnowman, Hinckley, Tariq, Bob, TinyPiesRUs, CallMePie, Fhomess)

7 votes for Clementine Lister (Lind Whisperer): (Chromeknight, Sir Stig, Captain Nemp, Xenophobic Monoxide, Lazychicken, Lady K, Dragonfire)

1 vote for Harriet Stomper (Mediumsnowman): (Lind Whisperer)

Captain Nemo voted for Xenophobic Monoxide instead of Lind Whisperer.