Future Castle Sets?

[Alexandrina]

3 minutes ago, valon said:

contmeporay fashion is wearing a inflatble pool, literally, i think that clothing is normal for a hip person, but not normal

You've genuinely lost me here. Inflatable pool? 

[valon]

12 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

You've genuinely lost me here. Inflatable pool? 

quite literaly on what i was saying, i think the clothing that minifigure is wearing looked hip and like a thug, i hope that mythica is not a theme with minifigure like that

[Alexandrina]

Just now, valon said:

i hope that mythica is not a theme with minifigure like that

At the moment we don't even know that Mythica is a theme. If it is, and it had minifigures like Hidden Side, it could be a nice crossover between Scooby Doo and Tolkien, which would make for an interesting theme. 

[zoth33]

23 hours ago, Alexandrina said:

At the moment we don't even know that Mythica is a theme. If it is, and it had minifigures like Hidden Side, it could be a nice crossover between Scooby Doo and Tolkien, which would make for an interesting theme. 

All we know is that it is an attraction at legoland theme parks.  So far there is no evidence it will be a theme.  Leakers haven't hinted at it being a theme yet.  But who knows it does take a long time to develope/produce sets.  So maybe there will be sets down the line.  

[Pdaitabird]

 

On March 13, 2021 at 1:06 PM, valon said:

quite literaly on what i was saying, i think the clothing that minifigure is wearing looked hip and like a thug, i hope that mythica is not a theme with minifigure like that

Well, western civilization was nice while it lasted...

Back on topic, I'd love it if a future castle theme would give us some medieval ships like a cog or a Venetian-style galley.

[valon]

7 hours ago, Pdaitabird said:

 

Well, western civilization was nice while it lasted...

Back on topic, I'd love it if a future castle theme would give us some medieval ships like a cog or a Venetian-style galley.

on the first sentence you wrote, quite quite, on the second i also think that would be epic, i think a castle pirate theme would be cool

[valon]

lego wanted to make a castle space theme ,wich was dumb as a castle theme, but i think that a pirate and castle theme would be cool and work much better 

[Poco Lypso]

1 hour ago, valon said:

lego wanted to make a castle space theme ,wich was dumb as a castle theme, but i think that a pirate and castle theme would be cool and work much better 

Why do you think it could work be actually cool?

For me these are themes which work best if left as they are.

[valon]

Just now, Poco Lypso said:

Why do you think it could work be actually cool?

For me these are themes which work best if left as they are.

i like pirate and castle best seperate, but a castle theme, with ships attacking villages would be cool, the ships could not be colonial ships, but medieval ships with pirates would be cool a well as fit with the castle theme

[Poco Lypso]

Just now, valon said:

i like pirate and castle best seperate, but a castle theme, with ships attacking villages would be cool, the ships could not be colonial ships, but medieval ships with pirates would be cool a well as fit with the castle theme

Hmm... the only 'pirates' of medieval times I could think of are vikings

[valon]

2 minutes ago, Poco Lypso said:

Hmm... the only 'pirates' of medieval times I could think of are vikings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa 

 

[Alexandrina]

1 hour ago, valon said:

lego wanted to make a castle space theme ,wich was dumb as a castle theme, but i think that a pirate and castle theme would be cool and work much better 

Why is Castle-Pirate inherently better than Castle-Space? One is combining two historical time periods which had limited overlap, while the other is taking a historical archetype and carrying it into an imagined future setting.

[Poco Lypso]

2 minutes ago, valon said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa 

 

Not really sure what u r trying to tell me. Barbarossa didnt live in medieval times

[valon]

1 minute ago, Poco Lypso said:

Not really sure what u r trying to tell me. Barbarossa didnt live in medieval times

close to that time, a character like him who was not so mean could work in a castle theme

[Poco Lypso]

Just now, valon said:

close to that time, a character like him who was not so mean could work in a castle theme

Ok. Technically he did. He was born at the end of it. But his actions as pirate took place after. In any case, as @Alexandrina pointed out there was a small overlap.

Imo that overlap period is way too niche to even consider lego could seriously make a theme here.

[valon]

3 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

Why is Castle-Pirate inherently better than Castle-Space? One is combining two historical time periods which had limited overlap, while the other is taking a historical archetype and carrying it into an imagined future setting.

castle and pirate have slightly simliar looking sets and are historal, a castle theme with pirates have things added to it make it normal pirate. If a pirate theme has a normal castle not one of the soldier forts, one cna put knights in it and it will work as a castle set. Space and knights do not like simlair and are stupid when combined

[valon]

1 minute ago, Poco Lypso said:

Ok. Technically he did. He was born at the end of it. But his actions as pirate took place after. In any case, as @Alexandrina pointed out there was a small overlap.

Imo that overlap period is way too niche to even consider lego could seriously make a theme here.

no, but a theme with pirates fighting knights would work because of the simlair designs,

[Alexandrina]

Just now, valon said:

Space and knights do not like simlair and are stupid when combined

In your opinion, maybe. I'd personally much rather Lego kept the themes separate - but if they have to combine two, I'd prefer that they combine the theme set in the future with one of the historical ones, rather than jamming together two different historical periods that don't fit together. What are the key archetypes of Castle? A castle, perhaps. Knights. Swords and bows. The key archetypes of Pirates? Pirates, ships. Redcoats, muskets and flintlock pistols. These don't belong together.

(There is some limited overlap between late Medieval and the existence of guns, but certainly High Medieval has little to nothing in common with Pirates beyond being set in the past).

[valon]

2 minutes ago, Alexandrina said:

In your opinion, maybe. I'd personally much rather Lego kept the themes separate - but if they have to combine two, I'd prefer that they combine the theme set in the future with one of the historical ones, rather than jamming together two different historical periods that don't fit together. What are the key archetypes of Castle? A castle, perhaps. Knights. Swords and bows. The key archetypes of Pirates? Pirates, ships. Redcoats, muskets and flintlock pistols. These don't belong together.

(There is some limited overlap between late Medieval and the existence of guns, but certainly High Medieval has little to nothing in common with Pirates beyond being set in the past).

i agree that castle and pirate are better when they are there own theme but if they have two themes like that, castle and pirates fit better the castle and space

[Poco Lypso]

Just now, valon said:

no, but a theme with pirates fighting knights would work because of the simlair designs,

Doesnt make any sense to me. So, one side will be firing cannonballs while the other will shoot arrows?

[valon]

Just now, Poco Lypso said:

Doesnt make any sense to me. So, one side will be firing cannonballs while the other will shoot arrows?

no i mean pirates using medieval weapons fighting knights and medieval soldiers, not as good as normal pirates, but i think it is better castle  theme then nexo knight type castle theme and better for pirates then a nexo type theme ( i will be very very very very mad if lego builds a pirate theme like that )

[Poco Lypso]

1 minute ago, valon said:

no i mean pirates using medieval weapons fighting knights and medieval soldiers, not as good as normal pirates, but i think it is better castle  theme then nexo knight type castle theme and better for pirates then a nexo type theme ( i will be very very very very mad if lego builds a pirate theme like that )

Yeah, nexo knights was absolute rubbish.

And tbh, when i look at a lot of themes of recent years it might have something to do with management, the people who decide what kind of themes are being made. Designers cannot be held accountable, if they are told to design rubbish then they will.

The old generation brought out the cool themes while the younger generation is overthinking it and nexo knights is a result of that. I can literally imagine them reading an article on how kids spend too much time with their smartphones and then they think we need more smartphone apps in our lego because thats where the kids are. Lol!

[AmperZand]

On 3/9/2021 at 2:41 AM, zoth33 said:

That's great but you have no proof that kids think this way.  Also HP sets smack in the middle of the kingdoms line during 2010-2011 in which kingdoms sold well and is still well liked.  

It's true, I don't have access to LEGO's market research or anyone else's. It's just speculation on my part. But the pattern of when HP sets are released in years when fantasy-themed Castle is not, suggests it. 

I also speculated that Castle would have an occasional bone thrown its way with the odd set, but not a full-blown line. Since saying that, LEGO Design Manager Sam Johnson seems to have confirmed it.

On 3/9/2021 at 6:10 AM, Alexandrina said:

Even ignoring the latter-day Castle, what is it that makes Fantasy Era true Castle but not Kingdoms? 

My bad: I meant not true fantasy Castle, the area of Castle most likely to clash with the fantasy aspects of HP. Kingdoms (2010 - 2012) was mostly pseudo-historical (knights, castles etc). HP was mostly fantasy or modern during that time, not pseudo-historical.

Kingdoms' biggest year in terms of releases was 2010 with all but one very small set, 7955 Wizard, being pseudo-historical, not fantasy.  In 2010, almost all of the HP sets released that year were either fantasy or modern (a train and car that are more similar to City than Castle). The only castle was Hogwarts 4842 and that was micro-scale.

2011 saw four Castle sets released, all of them pretty much pseudo-historical, and 2012 saw just one more non-fantasy set. In 2011, HP had one castle released, Hogwarts 4867, but was otherwise either fantasy or modern (a bus, a train, various buildings including a bank), not pseudo-historical. So Hogwarts 4867 is the only real HP clash with Kingdoms.

I maintain that the lack of co-occurrence between Castle - especially the fantasy kind - and HP is intentional by LEGO because the company knows that if a Castle line is heavily fantasy, it will cannibalise HP's sales. And that for strategic and licensing reasons, HP is the priority.    

 

[Kit Figsto]

On 3/14/2021 at 12:37 PM, zoth33 said:

All we know is that it is an attraction at legoland theme parks.  So far there is no evidence it will be a theme.  Leakers haven't hinted at it being a theme yet.  But who knows it does take a long time to develope/produce sets.  So maybe there will be sets down the line.  

I don't know if there's ever been a totally original Legoland world/zone/area/whatever you want to call it.  From what I can think of, pretty much everything is based either on a theme directly (Ninjago, City/Town, Technic, Aquazone, Adventurers) or based on an overall concept of a theme (Pirates, Castle, etc) despite not being based on a specific subtheme of those genres.  So I think we're kind of in uncharted territory as far as whether or not this might spawn a new theme.

32 minutes ago, AmperZand said:

I also speculated that Castle would have an occasional bone thrown its way with the odd set, but not a full-blown line. Since saying that, LEGO Design Manager Sam Johnson seems to have confirmed it.

I maintain that the lack of co-occurrence between Castle - especially the fantasy kind - and HP is intentional by LEGO because the company knows that if a Castle line is heavily fantasy, it will cannibalise HP's sales. And that for strategic and licensing reasons, HP is the priority.    

I definitely think you raise some good points, even if I disagree that HP and Castle should be equated (I can maybe see it with some casual fans but I feel like most people that buy a lot of Lego or are HP fans wouldn't equate the two), but I don't think HP and Castle shouldn't and can't be able to co-exist.  There was a period between about 2006-2010, like you said, where we didn't really get much HP at all, I think we got the Hogwarts in 2007 from Order of the Phoenix, and that might be it (?), and I believe a dead period with HP between around 2014 and a couple of years ago, but it seems like now it's one of their marquee licenses that I don't see them losing/dropping anytime soon.   I would hope that they won't just discount the possibility of a Castle theme because Harry Potter seems like it's here to stay for a while.

There's so many different ways they can go with Castle that are clearly distinct from HP - Fantasy Era castle or stuff like the Dragon Knights/Fright Knights, while containing wizards and dragons, are very much not the same as HP (I know you're not saying they're identical), and stuff that's either Forestmen or more traditional knights/kings/queens/castles type of thing, which is definitely different.  I feel like especially with the latter, the only difference between that sort of castle and a Hogwarts castle is that they both have the word "castle" since they tend to look very distinctly different in color/architecture, among other differences.

[gedren_y]

I just realized something. The creatures in the Mythica promotional images, at least the bits that look like actual Lego, remind me of the Legends of Chima Legend Beast sets. If the rides are in the shapes of mythical creatures made of Lego, then any sets based on this idea would be high fantasy inspired. This kind of theme could sell alongside HP if what it is portraying are the later movies since they have less to do with magical creatures. Such potential Mythica sets would be more in competition with Ninjago.