Scooby Doo Mafia: All Fired Up - Day 1

[mediumsnowman]

Well, this is a conundrum to be sure. Cop is really useless if there's no Doctor in play, and Doctor is useless if there is a Strongman in play. Which I still don't think there is. As it seems I am the only one advocating Doctor, I will vote for Cop and Watcher. Carla's logic seems sound.

Vote: Cop

Vote: Watcher

[Dragonfire]

And possibly when a townie they investigated as such is being lynched. Something just occured to me. So, Cop seems like the best of the possible roles by a landslide, but what if one of the scum is a Godfather? Is that even possible?

Godfather and Strongman is too overpowered for this game IMO. Sure, there could be a Godfather, but nevertheless Cop is still the most useful role out of the list. We shouldn't let the possibility of a Godfather get in the way of choosing the roles which are most beneficial to town.

Hmmn well this is an interesting first day that's for sure, I like it! Certainly I think a cop is a good idea, but wouldn't a blocker be more helpful to us than a tracker? A blocker has a chance to save a life, whereas a tracker may not track the right person until it is too late.. our numbers are quite small after all. But then, it sounds like the scum can choose who submits the kill, so a blocker would be less useful in that situation.

Actually, wouldn't cop and watcher be the best combination? In that instance, the cop can come forward during the day and tell us results, then the watcher can keep an eye on him at night; I think that's a better method of stopping the scum from attacking the cop than a blocker is, as if they strongarm they won't get caught and we lose the cop. However, that does mean our watcher would be tied up looking at the cop and the scum would just target other people. But it keeps our cop alive. If we go cop and tracker, I can't see how the cop can come forward with results without being murdered...

Vote: Cop

Vote: Watcher

I'm still not sure where my dear granddaughter has gone...

You make some good points, but if the watcher watches the cop every night, the watcher him/herself won't catch any scum because they won't kill the cop and it wastes a useful PR. Tracker and Cop could act as dual investigative roles and confirm twice as many people. Then we could use PoE to find the last scum.

[Piratedave84]

Godfather and Strongman is too overpowered for this game IMO. Sure, there could be a Godfather, but nevertheless Cop is still the most useful role out of the list. We shouldn't let the possibility of a Godfather get in the way of choosing the roles which are most beneficial to town.

That's a good point; there is likely not a godfather and a strongarm character.

I'm curious to see how the scum mechanics work in this situation; if we can't lynch on day one, can they kill on night one? if we get to pick our PRs, do they get to pick their PRs as well?

The uncertainty and novelty of this game is killing me!!!!

Then we could use PoE to find the last scum.

[mediumsnowman]

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You make some good points, but if the watcher watches the cop every night, the watcher him/herself won't catch any scum because they won't kill the cop and it wastes a useful PR. Tracker and Cop could act as dual investigative roles and confirm twice as many people. Then we could use PoE to find the last scum.

The idea is that they would watch the cop when the cop claims to have found a scummo. The scum wouldn't risk targeting the claimed cop, as they would be caught by the watcher and lynched the next day.

[Dragonfire]

That's a good point; there is likely not a godfather and a strongarm character.

I'm curious to see how the scum mechanics work in this situation; if we can't lynch on day one, can they kill on night one? if we get to pick our PRs, do they get to pick their PRs as well?

Your guess is as good as mine, if you are indeed town.

Hello, who are you? You look awfully mad at something - did I do something wrong!? :look:

The idea is that they would watch the cop when the cop claims to have found a scummo. The scum wouldn't risk targeting the claimed cop, as they would be caught by the watcher and lynched the next day.

Yes, I'm aware that that's the idea, I'm not that dumb

I'm just questioning the utility of the watcher - sure, it keeps the cop alive, but surely having two incognito PRs capable of clearing people every night is better...?

[Darkdragon]

Current Votes Tally

Cop: 9 (Dragonfire,Scubacarrot,JackJonespaw,Piratedave84,def,Bob,Dragonator,TrumpetKing,mediumsnowman)

Tracker: 7 (Dragonfire,Scubacarrot,JackJonespaw,Piratedave84,def,Bob,TrumpetKing)

Watcher: 2 (Dragonator,mediumsnowman)

[JackJonespaw]

Yes, I'm aware that that's the idea, I'm not that dumb

I'm just questioning the utility of the watcher - sure, it keeps the cop alive, but surely having two incognito PRs capable of clearing people every night is better...?

I'm working on a possible theory...say the tracker tracks the cop purely by dumb luck, sees he targets someone, the next day that someone turns up dead, what then? Sure if the cop claims his PR then he's safe from lynch, but the scum would kill him that next night...

We have to play our cards very very safe. I don't like this sick scenario my mind has created.

[Scubacarrot]

With the amount of people we have, I think any real plan to keep our Cop alive in the instance they do find scum is probably not of too great value. But that's just me.

[Piratedave84]

Hello, who are you? You look awfully mad at something - did I do something wrong!? :look:

That's Poe ... Apparently he's going to help you catch scum!!

[mediumsnowman]

That's Poe ... Apparently he's going to help you catch scum!!

PoE = Process of Elimination, right?

[Piratedave84]

PoE = Process of Elimination, right?

Edgar Allan Poe ... Never mind ....

[def]

Unvote: Tracker

Vote: Watcher

[TrumpetKing]

I'm just questioning the utility of the watcher - sure, it keeps the cop alive, but surely having two incognito PRs capable of clearing people every night is better...?

I can see what he's saying. There's definite benefits to both. If I'm understanding it correctly, though, in both scenarios the watcher/tracker would remain quiet while the cop would come clean. Having a watcher here could definitely have its rewards, but the tracker isn't necessarily unmerited in itself. On one hand, with the watcher, we're more likely to get clues towards the scum in multiple scenarios - both as watch results on the cop and from cop results. With the tracker, we're going to get these results in a similar matter, but I think a lot of the main concern is in the clarity of these results - they are more likely to be less concrete or solidified results than they would sith a watcher, but then again, with a watcher that we seem to have planned to visit the cop every night, that gives the scum some wiggle room to move around with. That's where the element of surprise that the tracker brings comes into play. Both are valid roles with valid approaches.

For now, I think I'll keep my vote on the tracker, but if we need a majority as we approach the deadline I would be eager to support a watcher.

[Dragonator]

I supposer if we agree that the cop doesn't come forward unless he gets a scum reading, and the tracker doesn't come forward unless he witnesses murder then that is one feasible plan. I just see the watcher as having more utility as he can watch the cop if the cop comes forward, or watch some other person who may seem likely to the watcher to be targetted by the scum. Whereas a tracker just follows whoever seems suspicious, and as it seems the scum can change who does their kill action, I feel tracking is more likely to lead to dead ends.

Well either way I think we can work with it. Of course, we can WIFOM with the watcher; is the watcher really watching the cop? Or is he pretending to and watching someone else? Who knows!

[Dragonfire]

I'm working on a possible theory...say the tracker tracks the cop purely by dumb luck, sees he targets someone, the next day that someone turns up dead, what then? Sure if the cop claims his PR then he's safe from lynch, but the scum would kill him that next night...

We have to play our cards very very safe. I don't like this sick scenario my mind has created.

Hadn't thought of that...

That's Poe ... Apparently he's going to help you catch scum!!

Ohhhh.... nice one

Whereas a tracker just follows whoever seems suspicious, and as it seems the scum can change who does their kill action, I feel tracking is more likely to lead to dead ends.

How do you know they can change their kill action?

Something smells fishy here

[Piratedave84]

Whereas a tracker just follows whoever seems suspicious, and as it seems the scum can change who does their kill action, I feel tracking is more likely to lead to dead ends.

What ... how do you know this?

I want to lynch you now ... like really badly!

[mediumsnowman]

and as it seems the scum can change who does their kill action

Eh? Do you know something we don't?

[Dragonfire]

I want to lynch you now ... like really badly!

If I could vote, I'd be voting for Carla or Desiree (the latter's push for the doctor role despite the possibility of a strongman still doesn't sit well with me)

[mediumsnowman]

If I could vote, I'd be voting for Carla or Desiree (the latter's push for the doctor role despite the possibility of a strongman still doesn't sit well with me)

IMO a strongman in a game this small seems really overpowered, as it would render both the Roleblocker and Doctor roles useless.

[Dragonfire]

IMO a strongman in a game this small seems really overpowered, as it would render both the Roleblocker and Doctor roles useless.

So why did the host include it then? Purely for the purpose of WIFOM or as a red herring?

[JackJonespaw]

So why did the host include it then? Purely for the purpose of WIFOM or as a red herring?

It's just so weird for it to be pointed out in the first place, right? Something's weird there.

[Bob]

So why did the host include it then? Purely for the purpose of WIFOM or as a red herring?

I'm not going to write off the possibility wholesale, but it's perhaps for the purpose of just listing a possible downside to the role. At the same time, however, there were no negatives attributed to the other roles, just this one. I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me that the host would include a role that the scum have, but this is not the most conventional game, so anything is possible.

[Dragonfire]

I'm not going to write off the possibility wholesale, but it's perhaps for the purpose of just listing a possible downside to the role. At the same time, however, there were no negatives attributed to the other roles, just this one. I don't know, it doesn't seem right to me that the host would include a role that the scum have, but this is not the most conventional game, so anything is possible.

Again, she's basically told the scum what the town have, so it's a way of balancing things out, maybe...

[mediumsnowman]

I'm working on a possible theory...say the tracker tracks the cop purely by dumb luck, sees he targets someone, the next day that someone turns up dead, what then? Sure if the cop claims his PR then he's safe from lynch, but the scum would kill him that next night...

We have to play our cards very very safe. I don't like this sick scenario my mind has created.

I came up with another troubling scenario.

Say the tracker tracks someone targeting a player who turns up dead the next day. The killer claims cop and says he investigated him the same night he was killed. How do we differentiate between a killer and a killer claiming cop? The real cop could counterclaim... But either way it doesn't end up well for the town. A watcher watching the victim could see both targeting him... And would have a better chance of figuring out who is who as he knows both identities.

The tracker seems to lead to nothing but trouble. A watcher is a better pick than the tracker.

[Scubacarrot]

Say the tracker tracks someone targeting a player who turns up dead the next day. The killer claims cop and says he investigated him the same night he was killed. How do we differentiate between a killer and a killer claiming cop? The real cop could counterclaim... But either way it doesn't end up well for the town. A watcher watching the victim could see both targeting him... And would have a better chance of figuring out who is who as he knows both identities.

No, I feel like you're misrepresenting the facts, how would a watcher have a better chance of figuring it out? This whole scenario relies on a great many if's, but here is what would actually happen: the result for the tracker would be: A targetted B, B ended up dead, A is likely the scum killer since they targetted B. Of course A is going to claim cop. Why wouldn't they? Of course there is a chance it is the actual cop, but what's the chance of that? A watcher's result would be: targetted A, B and C came for a vist, A ended up dead. We have no way to figure out which person did it, one is the scum killer, the other might be a scum blocker or the cop or another sort of scum role.

I feel like with a cop and a tracker, the game becomes much more a process of elimination before the scum kill enough townies, on top of your normal mafia figuring it out what have you, instead of a watcher which is more suited to a standard protect your townblock type of deal.