mediumsnowman Posted October 24, 2015 Posted October 24, 2015 Hmm. Carla's comments were definitely suspicious yesterday, but I was willing to chalk it up to some harmless speculation. I didn't want to rush to lynch such an experienced player this early. Reading her defense today however... She has gotten really defensive after Patti's accusation, and after her vote was effectively an OMGUS vote has sealed the deal for me. Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator)
JackJonespaw Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Hmm. Carla's comments were definitely suspicious yesterday, but I was willing to chalk it up to some harmless speculation. I didn't want to rush to lynch such an experienced player this early. Reading her defense today however... She has gotten really defensive after Patti's accusation, and after her vote was effectively an OMGUS vote has sealed the deal for me. I don't really think I can add anything to this - any OMGUS turnaround on the person who accuses someone is downright pingy. Doesn't bode well. I never like to settle 100% on a vote before at least 2/3 of a day have passed, so I'm willing to change...but no one has quite so pinged than Carla. Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator)
Dragonator Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Ah well, as I am a vanilla townie I'd rather the vote go for me than for someone random who could potentially be one of our power roles. So I guess given that we are pushing for a lynch today, I'd rather it go to me, although no lynch would be preferrable as now we will be down 2 townies tomorrow in a game where we can't really afford to be doing that. This does give us an excellent opportunity to analyse typical scum voting tactics though, so I shall go through that now. The scum know that all voting in Mafia typically relies on the establishment of a bandwagon. Someone proposes a lynch, and other people will either support it, not support it and do nothing or not support it and propose a counter-lynch. Scum want to get the ball rolling where the town are being slow, but they want to do so subtly they hope, without giving themselves away. Hopefully, a townie will propose a townie lynch which they are more likely to do statistically, and the scum can either hide in the shadows and wait for it to snowball or, if the town are being sufficiently cautious as they should on the first day, the scum may need to support the vote. Not the whole scum team would do this of course, hopefully just one voice of hesitant support would be enough to trigger a townie to give support also and thus the bandwagon is created. The second option is where no townies are silly enough to propose a day one lynch; tactically they really shouldn't as the idea is to tempt the scum into doing it for them. My thoughts earlier were that this is what Patti has done, she saw an opportunity to start a bandwagon and took it, which is not typical town behaviour in the early game when there is nothing to base it on. After that, things get tricky. Either a gulible townie or two fall for it, or a second scum player needs to give support to the lynch vote, which is risky when voting patterns are analysed later on in the game. As this game will be quite short though, I suspect the scum may be willing to take a few more risks; there certainly won't be 8 days of voting to look at. SO my conclusion for you all to think on tomorrow is that it is very likely that Patti is the scum, or Patti doesn't understand town early-game and is a townie silly enough to propose an early day 1 lynch. In that case, I imagine one of her early sort-of supporters is quite likely to be a member of the scum team trying to nudge the bandwagon along, particularly anyone who may have expressed that they don't like to jump on bandwagons but are doing so anyway. Chalk me up as a defensive player that's fine; that's how I always role. If I'm town, I play town hard and jump straight on anyone who I find suspicious, particularly if they are accusing me. But either way, I do think the vote against me will be valuable for analysing the scum voting patterns so I hope that the town side will make use of this day and not see it as a wasted lynch which just lowers our numbers and does nothing else. We can't just rely on the luck of the power roles. As good as they are, power roles do not win the game. A bit of tactical voting and thinking is what wins these games. Good luck everyone!
Bob Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 As suspicious as I find Carla's speculation about the game mechanics is, I just can't see myself voting for her over it. It just doesn't feel right to me and I think we're rushing into this vote here. I said earlier that I thought this was going to snowball and now it is. I know we talked about how suspect the post was a little bit at the end of yesterday, but still, I don't know if I can do it. There's still time left today, so I'm going to wait before I send my grandma to the chopping block.
Dragonator Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 There's still time left today, so I'm going to wait before I send my grandma to the chopping block. Oh you're my granddaughter! I was trying to figure that out this whole time but didn't recognise you with that new hairstyle of yours. Don't worry dear, grandma is old and her time is coming soon anyway.
JackJonespaw Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 As suspicious as I find Carla's speculation about the game mechanics is, I just can't see myself voting for her over it. It just doesn't feel right to me and I think we're rushing into this vote here. I said earlier that I thought this was going to snowball and now it is. I know we talked about how suspect the post was a little bit at the end of yesterday, but still, I don't know if I can do it. There's still time left today, so I'm going to wait before I send my grandma to the chopping block. Who would you vote for, then? There's still plenty of time to change who gets lynched - who's pinging you?
Dragonator Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Who would you vote for, then? There's still plenty of time to change who gets lynched - who's pinging you? Ping pong? I love ping pong! Let's ping some pongs to each other, it's a favourite pasttime. It sucks it has to be you but we need a lynch today, you are (as far as I'm concerned) our best bet given your comments about the kill mechanics and now your OMGUS vote just reinforces my point. Wait a sec, why do we "need" a lynch today? There is no rule indicating we must lynch and I would have thought town would rather be cautious than lynch only on the "need" for a lynch. Not sure where OMGUS comes from but if you bothered to read my posts you'd see my logic perhaps. Or perhaps your narrowminded focus is too much on driving for my lynch than on considering my thoughts about you objectively, as a townie should.
Dragonfire Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator) (Can't bold on my phone) Just getting my vote in in case for some reason I miss the end of the day. Subject to change, of course, and although I've already voiced my suspicions of her, I'm happy to clarify them should anyone ask.
mediumsnowman Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator) (Can't bold on my phone) Just getting my vote in in case for some reason I miss the end of the day. Subject to change, of course, and although I've already voiced my suspicions of her, I'm happy to clarify them should anyone ask. You should be able to bold, I'm on a phone and it works fine. Just type text here[/ b] (but without the space) See? Well I messed something up. Never mind.
def Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Wait a sec, why do we "need" a lynch today? There is no rule indicating we must lynch and I would have thought town would rather be cautious than lynch only on the "need" for a lynch. Not sure where OMGUS comes from but if you bothered to read my posts you'd see my logic perhaps. Or perhaps your narrowminded focus is too much on driving for my lynch than on considering my thoughts about you objectively, as a townie should. Now this is the first scummy thing I've seen you say. Especially in a game like this, we have little to go on, so the lynch is crucial for better or worse. Right now, the person pinging me most is Desiree. She's playing the 'me too!' game. Her vote on Carla is very safe and not well-justified. She's seems to be playing a typical scum shadow game, not out front, not at the back, and not saying anything original. If my vote is needed for a lynch, I'm willing to change it. Vote: Desiree (MediumSnowman)
TrumpetKing Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Sorry for the absence this morning, I've had some business to attend to. Do you think there's a chance that since we didn't get to use our night actions last night, the scum didn't get to use their actions? I do concur with Patti's questioning of Carla, since that's something that stood out to me quite clearly yesterday. Additionally, she pushed for a watcher instead of a tracker. To me, the watcher just seems like more of a defensive role instead of an offensive one. The watcher would simply be watching the cop to see if they die at night. Doing this also puts the cop right in the crosshairs, regardless of whether or not the watcher is watching the cop. Given the lack of a kill, and the note pointed out earlier about night actions not being sent in, I'm sure that's a given. Why wouldn't the scum take advantage of a night when we don't have kills? Hmm. Carla's comments were definitely suspicious yesterday, but I was willing to chalk it up to some harmless speculation. I didn't want to rush to lynch such an experienced player this early. Reading her defense today however... She has gotten really defensive after Patti's accusation, and after her vote was effectively an OMGUS vote has sealed the deal for me. Carla's experience certainly contribute to this suspicion, and the OMGUS vote definitely doesn't help her case at all. I think just about everybody picked up on Carla's behavior, though. Carla's explanation to me doesn't really make sense. I don't know if it's just me not understanding what she's saying, or the mechanics behind the roles, but something about it doesn't sit right with me. To me, she gave a weak explanation for her words and immediately shifted to how Patti must be scum for jumping onto an "easy lynch". How, though, is a Carla lynch "easy", especially guven her experience? The only thing at this point that would make her an easy lynch would be her own comments, and from then, she is now inquiring as to why we need to lynch. Well, it's a pretty important way to gather information early, Carla. Given yor ambivalence towards a lynch, yet lack of unvote, combined with your earlier behavior, I have enough reason to feel more comfortable voting for you today. Vote: Carla (Dragonator)
Piratedave84 Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Ping pong? I love ping pong! Let's ping some pongs to each other, it's a favourite pasttime. Wait a sec, why do we "need" a lynch today? There is no rule indicating we must lynch and I would have thought town would rather be cautious than lynch only on the "need" for a lynch. Not sure where OMGUS comes from but if you bothered to read my posts you'd see my logic perhaps. Or perhaps your narrowminded focus is too much on driving for my lynch than on considering my thoughts about you objectively, as a townie should. Yes, yes we do! We can't stand here and do nothing while scum is definitely (well almost certainly) will kill one of us tonight. I've always advocated for a day one lynch and this time is no different. Now this is the first scummy thing I've seen you say. Especially in a game like this, we have little to go on, so the lynch is crucial for better or worse. Right now, the person pinging me most is Desiree. She's playing the 'me too!' game. Her vote on Carla is very safe and not well-justified. She's seems to be playing a typical scum shadow game, not out front, not at the back, and not saying anything original. If my vote is needed for a lynch, I'm willing to change it. Vote: Desiree (MediumSnowman) Frankly it was either Desiree or Carla for me. I'm glad to see someone scrutinize Desiree as well. Desiree was also playing along yesterday; her sheepish behaviour and insistence we get a doctor are making me suspicious of her.
Bob Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Who would you vote for, then? There's still plenty of time to change who gets lynched - who's pinging you? Desiree is one of the others I'd consider voting for. Lynn Benton as well, for this: Given the lack of a kill, and the note pointed out earlier about night actions not being sent in, I'm sure that's a given. Why wouldn't the scum take advantage of a night when we don't have kills? Yes, she's critiquing one of my posts, but the timing of it is all off. This is one of the first things I and a few others said today, and it's already been scrutinized and explained. To me it just seems like she's repeating something that's easy and able to make her posts look like they have substance. Her entire reply to my post was basically a regurgitation of everything that was said early in the day. I don't necessarily want to vote for Carla, but I will just to ensure we have a lynch in case one of the poorly formatted votes are not counted. Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator) I'm sorry grandma!
JackJonespaw Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Yes, yes we do! We can't stand here and do nothing while scum is definitely (well almost certainly) will kill one of us tonight. I've always advocated for a day one lynch and this time is no different. This. Based on speculation, the scum can kill at night, and we cannot. Therefore the only power we have is with a lynch.
Darkdragon Posted October 25, 2015 Author Posted October 25, 2015 Current Vote Tally Carla (Dragonator) - 6 (Piratedave84,Scubacarrot,mediumsnowman,JackJonespaw,TrumpetKing,Bob) Patti (Piratedave84) - 1 (Dragonator) Desiree (MediumSnowman) - 1 (def) With 9 players, it takes a majority of 5 votes to complete a lynch. You have about 13 hours left in the day.a
TrumpetKing Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Yes, she's critiquing one of my posts, but the timing of it is all off. This is one of the first things I and a few others said today, and it's already been scrutinized and explained. To me it just seems like she's repeating something that's easy and able to make her posts look like they have substance. Her entire reply to my post was basically a regurgitation of everything that was said early in the day. The timing being off is of reasonable note. I had mentioned that I had been gone, though, so truthfully, I was going through the day and replying to what I saw was worth replying to. There's nothing more to it.
JackJonespaw Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Hey Derrick, make sure you vote correctly, mate. We're already at a majority, but, hey, just in case.
mediumsnowman Posted October 25, 2015 Posted October 25, 2015 Yeah, you don't want to get stuck with a penalty.
def Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Does anyone find it odd that Desiree didn't even acknowledge that she got a vote?
mediumsnowman Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I didn't think it had much substance to it so I just blew it off. In Blacktron Mafia, I got some heat for getting really defensive anytime someone even brought up my name. Unless someone actually makes a good case against me and there's an actual chance I could be lynched, I'm trying not to let it get to me.
Darkdragon Posted October 26, 2015 Author Posted October 26, 2015 Final Vote Tally Carla (Dragonator) - 7 (Piratedave84,Scubacarrot,mediumsnowman,JackJonespaw,Dragonfire,TrumpetKing,Bob) Patti (Piratedave84) - 1 (Dragonator) Desiree (MediumSnowman) - 1 (def) With 7 votes, Carla has been chosen for today's lynch. Day 1 is now concluded. Get those night actions submitted!
Piratedave84 Posted October 28, 2015 Posted October 28, 2015 Alec posted 4 times, his posts were relatively non-commital and he was on my short list for today for being wishy-washy. Target of opportunity? Meta-Killed? Do you think there's a chance that since we didn't get to use our night actions last night, the scum didn't get to use their actions? I do concur with Patti's questioning of Carla, since that's something that stood out to me quite clearly yesterday. Additionally, she pushed for a watcher instead of a tracker. To me, the watcher just seems like more of a defensive role instead of an offensive one. The watcher would simply be watching the cop to see if they die at night. Doing this also puts the cop right in the crosshairs, regardless of whether or not the watcher is watching the cop. Carla's post is suspicious, as I've said. It could be that she was trying to speculate on game mechanics and abilities, but it could also be a legitimate slip-up. People have historically been lynched for less in these sorts of games. I'm sort of treating this like Day One, Part Two, since everyone is still alive and there were no night actions. We don't really have anything to go on except for what happened on the real Day One. All we can look at is what stuck out to us most on Day One. That post is one of them for me, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to dive head first into a lynch and add to a potential snowball bangwagon. I'm going to hold off for now. That should be bandwagon, not bangwagon...The latter is something much different, I'm sure. As suspicious as I find Carla's speculation about the game mechanics is, I just can't see myself voting for her over it. It just doesn't feel right to me and I think we're rushing into this vote here. I said earlier that I thought this was going to snowball and now it is. I know we talked about how suspect the post was a little bit at the end of yesterday, but still, I don't know if I can do it. There's still time left today, so I'm going to wait before I send my grandma to the chopping block. Desiree is one of the others I'd consider voting for. Lynn Benton as well, for this: Yes, she's critiquing one of my posts, but the timing of it is all off. This is one of the first things I and a few others said today, and it's already been scrutinized and explained. To me it just seems like she's repeating something that's easy and able to make her posts look like they have substance. Her entire reply to my post was basically a regurgitation of everything that was said early in the day. I don't necessarily want to vote for Carla, but I will just to ensure we have a lynch in case one of the poorly formatted votes are not counted. Vote: Carla Riddle (Dragonator) I'm sorry grandma! FML ... sorry
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