Seasider Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 Oooh I might have to get my thinking cap on. In terms of those dimensions what official sets fall into that "box" ? I have the crane comp a miss. Glad I did as I'd have made a very poor version of a spider crane. Quote
Milan Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 Applying the box analogy to suspension; you can compress the suspension (i.e. push the model down) to fit the box. I am on the fence whether to allow for suspension to be compressed. Any thoughts are welcome. I am against the idea of allowing compressible suspension, to be able to fit in the box. As much as i fancy creative thinking, it just feels a bit like exploiting the rules, no matter how small the gain (or height) is. Quote
allanp Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 If you fit a car into a box by compressing the suspension and leave it there for a long time, it may permanently damage/deform parts, so I'de say it's not allowed. Quote
Jay Psi Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Compressible suspension? Then I hope it's not made from gas!* I can see both sides to this - if the suspension can be locked in its compressed state then I would be okay with allowing it in theory, but I doubt TLG would let such a mechanism get past their QA process if there was any chance of excessive wear or damage to pieces. If we're going to emulate official sets, then to be safe I would not allow it in the contest. Having said that, would the 8297 Off-Roader be a "typical" example of the type of compressible suspension that is being referred to? Because that mechanism looks okay to me from watching some videos but having never built/bought it I can't be sure. *+1 to anyone who gets this. Edited November 27, 2015 by Jay Psi Quote
Zerobricks Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I'm gonna be THAT RUDE GUY and just say... Can you please stop nitpicking about side mirros, suspension heights, etc... Stop trying to find holes in these competitions rules and play fair and with some common sense...and a sense of sportmanship... Quote
Saberwing40k Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I wonder how different the b model has to be from the A model, as sets like 8421, 9398,and 8288 have a B model that is almost identical to the A model, just with some different toppings. Also,I'm assuming that the B model has to fit in the same box. Is that the case? Also, this is something that would apply with crawler cranes. Are we allowed to have a piece of the model, like a crane boom, come off to fit in the box, as long as that part goes in as well? Quote
Jurss Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I'm gonna be THAT RUDE GUY and just say... Can you please stop nitpicking about side mirros, suspension heights, etc... Stop trying to find holes in these competitions rules and play fair and with some common sense...and a sense of sportmanship... Agree Quote
Jim Posted November 27, 2015 Author Posted November 27, 2015 Milan and Allan have convinced me. It does feel like exploiting the rules, where 10.000 cubik studs already allows for quite a big model. So no compressing the suspension (unless it's like the 8297 where you can adjust the ride hight). I have similar question - if I build suspended vehicle may I messure height when shock absorbers are compressed to get lower height? As you might have read. No compressing the suspension. It needs to fit in the box without applying any external pressure to the model. I wonder how different the b model has to be from the A model, as sets like 8421, 9398,and 8288 have a B model that is almost identical to the A model, just with some different toppings. Also,I'm assuming that the B model has to fit in the same box. Is that the case? Also, this is something that would apply with crawler cranes. Are we allowed to have a piece of the model, like a crane boom, come off to fit in the box, as long as that part goes in as well? You decide how different the B-model is. Being more original will gain more points during the voting phase. This will be one of the voting criteria. Each model needs to fit in the box (so that A and B). I have clarified the rules. Taking off things is not allowed. If the crane folds, while attached to the vehicle, it's okay. Quote
muffinbrick Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 I'm gonna be THAT RUDE GUY and just say... Can you please stop nitpicking about side mirros, suspension heights, etc... Stop trying to find holes in these competitions rules and play fair and with some common sense...and a sense of sportmanship... 100% agree Quote
NXT45 Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 Well on a lighter note; this will kick-start my Lego building as I have been away from it quite some time. Quote
kolbjha Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 At the risk of challenging the intention of the rules for size: does the model have to fit within a box with 10,000 c.s. in an "orthogonal" manner, or is it ok to rotate the model within the imaginary box? To illustrate what I mean, imagine two 15L beams, joined in their center like a X (90 deg). According to the intention of the rules, is the size of the bounding box 2 (height) x 15 x 15, or is it 2 x ca. 11 x ca. 11 (box rotated 45 deg)? Quote
MajklSpajkl Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 At the risk of challenging the intention of the rules for size: does the model have to fit within a box with 10,000 c.s. in an "orthogonal" manner, or is it ok to rotate the model within the imaginary box? To illustrate what I mean, imagine two 15L beams, joined in their center like a X (90 deg). According to the intention of the rules, is the size of the bounding box 2 (height) x 15 x 15, or is it 2 x ca. 11 x ca. 11 (box rotated 45 deg)? I think that if it fits, it fits, no matter the direction, but IMO a photo confirming the box size should be mandatory in this case...in all cases I guess. Quote
Saberwing40k Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 Actually, I just thought of a couple of thing that the volume rule unfairly penalizes, crawler cranes and aircraft. Unless you wrap the box extremely close to the model, it gets outside the 10,000 cubic stud limit really fast. I know it's probably too late to change this, but I think a better rule would be for weight, as, for example, 42025 and 42029 weigh about the same, but 42025 is much bigger in terms of volume. However, not everybody has access to a postal or other small scale, so that would not work. And, real time part counts are difficult, so the volume rule is probably the best compromise. Quote
rollermonkey Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) New contest rules = new 25 page topic of people trying to misinterpret and bend them. I'm gonna be THAT RUDE GUY and just say... Can you please stop nitpicking about side mirros, suspension heights, etc... Stop trying to find holes in these competitions rules and play fair and with some common sense...and a sense of sportmanship... Hear hear! Edited November 28, 2015 by rollermonkey Quote
Jim Posted November 28, 2015 Author Posted November 28, 2015 @Saberwing Don't build Crawler Cranes or Airplanes then! Problem solved! Each contest has limits and this contest has a cubic size limt. Deal with it Contests are meant to get you out of your comfort zone. Certain limits accomplish exaclty that. By the way; since a plane is not so high, it's still feasible. Check out the red Jet Plane. Quote
Epic Technic Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Aww, I guess we now need to think inside the box! :p I think that this is a great contest and I have multiple ideas of what to build. EDIT: I was wondering if there was a 2 week wait before all WIPs ? Edited November 28, 2015 by Epic Technic Quote
Milan Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 I was wondering if there was a 2 week wait before all WIPs ? You can post a WIP as soon as you have a picture of the model in progress. Quote
Erik Leppen Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 It's an interesting copmetitiont theme. The problem: I have no inspiration. Not even for an A model, let alone for two models using (almost) the same parts. I'm thinking in the "crane" corner of models, or in the "supercar" corner, but without any good ideas so far. One thing I have thought about is color usage. The more colors you use for the A model, the harder it will be to create a good B model. So keep an eye out for good multicolor sets where both models show good color usage. This is hard to do well. People with less ambition could go for a single color model (plus black/gray). I'm still on the fence about what I will do with color, because I like mixing and matching them, but it does make things harder for the B model. By the way, Jim, could you please spell "cubic" with a "c" at the end as the English language always does? :) Anyhow, here's some examples of sizes that are allowed. Feel free to use 21 x 21 x 21 = 9261 25 x 20 x 20 = 10000 30 x 20 x 15 = 9000 36 x 20 x 13 = 9360 40 x 16 x 15 = 9600 50 x 14 x 14 = 9800 60 x 15 x 11 = 9900 Quote
Jim Posted November 28, 2015 Author Posted November 28, 2015 By the way, Jim, could you please spell "cubic" with a "c" at the end as the English language always does? :) Of course you are right. Somehow my mind was set on Rubik Quote
TheItalianBrick Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I'm gonna be THAT RUDE GUY and just say... Can you please stop nitpicking about side mirros, suspension heights, etc... Stop trying to find holes in these competitions rules and play fair and with some common sense...and a sense of sportmanship... Here nobody is trying to find holes or playing unfair, I was just asking because I have a MOC that could suite this competition, but having side mirrors It won't pass the cubic rule! I remember few contest ago we had the size limit aswell and someone had side mirrors…they were not counted in the size limit! So ZBLJ yes you are very rude without the right to be! People ask because they want to make sure their moc will be allowed in. Edited November 28, 2015 by TheItalianBrick Quote
Jim Posted November 28, 2015 Author Posted November 28, 2015 I have a MOC that could suite this competition... I know it's Technically not against the rules, but the idea is to make a new MOC for this contest, not use an existing MOC Stating that you already have MOC that could FIT the competition kind of ruins the appreciation for me. Quote
Appie Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 That's easy to show by giving it less points in the voting round As for the mirrors not fitting, make them foldable, Jim already said it is allowed. It's Lego, can just adjust stuff. I still agree with Zblj that these topics turn into nitpicking way too much. Jim gives a very generous limit of 10k cubic, that's the size of a 80 bucks Lego set, give or take. If you can't make something beautiful within those dimensions and have to search for the limits then I don't know what to tell you. Quote
Epic Technic Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 In was wondering if we could be allowed to have an extra few pieces for the B model so that it could be of an A model quality ? Quote
Jim Posted November 28, 2015 Author Posted November 28, 2015 @Epic Technic: Read the rules Nope Quote
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