Brethren of the Brick Seas (BoBS) Introduction and Starting Thread

[Tomsche]

There isn`t been an MCRA form right at the moment, just the test form, or did I miss it somewhere

[MKJoshA]

It makes sense that something licensed in Jan. would not produced DBs until Feb. If I'm right, you get to spend those DBs in Feb just like you can spend the DBs from freebuilds right away. If I were to start a business right now I wouldn't start to see profit right away. So if I register a tavern, I wouldn't expect to see profit right away either.

[Bart]

Build in Jan. Yielding in Feb. Sounds good to me.

For the reasons MKJoshA gives.

You already get a few db (10) for building it.

[blackdeathgr]

It makes sense that something licensed in Jan. would not produced DBs until Feb. If I'm right, you get to spend those DBs in Feb just like you can spend the DBs from freebuilds right away. If I were to start a business right now I wouldn't start to see profit right away. So if I register a tavern, I wouldn't expect to see profit right away either.

Build in Jan. Yielding in Feb. Sounds good to me.

For the reasons MKJoshA gives.

You already get a few db (10) for building it.

Somewhere it was written that you can calculate your earnings (that you are going to earn this month with any existing and new MOC) and spend them however you like at the same month. I cant remember where i saw it written and nor can i verify that, so i might be entirely wrong. So, Skaforhire or any other BoBS lord, we need your help on the matter :)

[SkaForHire]

I know buildings (plantation/artisan/commerce/ etc) generate doubloons every month too.

but I've build two things in January, those being freebuilds they earn me a +10 db. but the monthly yield will that be in January or will it start in February?

but does the amount of doubloons an warehouse makes also depend on how often that town is visited during the MRCA ?

It is not connected to the MRCA at this time. There is no current form for MRCA, so nobody should have filled it out yet. I am working on it!

Somewhere it was written that you can calculate your earnings (that you are going to earn this month with any existing and new MOC) and spend them however you like at the same month. I cant remember where i saw it written and nor can i verify that, so i might be entirely wrong. So, Skaforhire or any other BoBS lord, we need your help on the matter :)

You are right, don't count yields this month, or you will be in the hole. I like MKJosh's reasoning, and that was about the way I was thinking, your new business would not start yielding until after the month it was registered, so that shop this month that got you 10DBs for being a free build, you will have to wait until the end of February to see a yield -- this doesn't mean that you couldn't calculate that into your spending for February, just be careful!

[Tomsche]

So basically, this month if you sign on you get as a baseline:

SigFig with introduction: 25 // Free Build 1 (let`s say the free boat): 10 // Free Build 2 (the free cost property, that would yield 5): 10 for a total of 45

In february, that could then be:

45 to start with,

Build a property of 25 DB which in turn would grant you 10 as being the months first free build for a saldo of 30,

build a second property of 25 that also yield 10 as the second free build, putting your total on 15,

Gain the yield from the january property of 5, totalling you for 20 to spend on the next month to begin with

So the first three to four months, if you only do the fixed `2 Free Bields gaining you 10 DB each) would get you in loss, then afterwards the numbers go upwards

That is without any additional income from the MCRA, Challenges or other activities like a 3rd or more free build

Am I correct I nailed the `system` down that way and can start planning to build along those lines?

[Bart]

Looks correct

[SkaForHire]

I agree, that looks correct. Remember (to everyone), yield is not granted until the end of the next month, but you can still "borrow against it" as in your example.

[Vedauwoo]

There isn`t been an MCRA form right at the moment, just the test form, or did I miss it somewhere

Ah yes...I filled out the test form and selected "ship" as my ship type.....lol

Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss out on the action!

[Sir Stig]

I am wondering if it is possible to build in 2 levels. For example a commerce in the first floor, and residence on the second floor, and register both of them, even if it just one build (paying the cost of 25+5 of course)?

45 to start with,

Is it not 25 to start with (for intro build), + 2x10 for your first two freebuilds?

In that case:

Build a ship and a building (artisan commerce, factory) that you get free license for.

The you have 45 to start with.

Build another building for 25 (artisan commerce, factory) Possible earning you doubloons as your 3rd free build.

That gives you a balance of 20, not enough to build anything except residences for 5 DB each (Possibly earning you extra DB), or save them for next month.

That would give you a yield for 2 establishments of 2x5DB, possible MCRA gain, and 2-8 DB if you build housing (you can afford 4 at most as I see it).

You may of course post your builds in a different order, so perhaps the ship is your 3rd build. You counted the 10 DB for the free licence builds and for the first two buildings. That's not right. If you counted the yield from the establishments, bear in mind that the 25 cost buildings gives you 5 DB/month, except residences which gives you 2 DB/month.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Sir Stig

[CelesAurivern]

I have a question regarding the level of fantasy allowed.

While I'm sure we're not full blown DnD or LotR, would PotC kind of fantasy be fair game?

I personally prefer a realistic setting, but just checking for creative licence sake :p

[kaiju]

I have a question regarding the level of fantasy allowed.

While I'm sure we're not full blown DnD or LotR, would PotC kind of fantasy be fair game?

I personally prefer a realistic setting, but just checking for creative licence sake :p

Last time that got asked we got this answer:

Magic is kind of a grey area right now, normal sea myth is acceptable though. Mermaids, Krackens, etc... We really don't want to see fireball mages blowing up people's ships. Divine miracles, are generally acceptable.

And if I ever get any progress done on my freebuilds, certain mystical elements will be working their way into them.

[Tomsche]

I am wondering if it is possible to build in 2 levels. For example a commerce in the first floor, and residence on the second floor, and register both of them, even if it just one build (paying the cost of 25+5 of course)?

Is it not 25 to start with (for intro build), + 2x10 for your first two freebuilds?

In that case:

Build a ship and a building (artisan commerce, factory) that you get free license for.

The you have 45 to start with.

Build another building for 25 (artisan commerce, factory) Possible earning you doubloons as your 3rd free build.

That gives you a balance of 20, not enough to build anything except residences for 5 DB each (Possibly earning you extra DB), or save them for next month.

That would give you a yield for 2 establishments of 2x5DB, possible MCRA gain, and 2-8 DB if you build housing (you can afford 4 at most as I see it).

You may of course post your builds in a different order, so perhaps the ship is your 3rd build. You counted the 10 DB for the free licence builds and for the first two buildings. That's not right. If you counted the yield from the establishments, bear in mind that the 25 cost buildings gives you 5 DB/month, except residences which gives you 2 DB/month.

My example was made with month 1 when you start (being january in this case), and using just the two `free registrations` you get to get going in the game (aka,the very first the ship and the property license you get). Both count as a freebuild as they are not challenge related, so both yield 10 DB, hence 25 + 10 + 10.

The property you build in january, only `gives` his yield at the end of february, and even though you can `lend against it`, you don`t actually have those 5 DBs in your chest at the beginning of the month

That would give you basic those 45 DB at the first of february to start with, without as I noted any additional freebuilds, challenges and other actions like the MCRA whom all have differentiating outcomes.

Mind you, the rules state EVERY month the first two freebuilds grant 10 DB, not only the free ones from the very first month.

3) Free builds – these are the everyday builds not associated with a challenge. Each free-build earns points or DBs for your faction. These are calculated monthly by the Project leaders. The first two free builds a month will earn a builder 10 DBs per build (therefore 10 PIPs as well), after which, each free build earns as many DBs (and PIPS) as it achieves on the approval chart listed below.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Tomsche

[CelesAurivern]

Last time that got asked we got this answer:

And if I ever get any progress done on my freebuilds, certain mystical elements will be working their way into them.

Ah yes, thanks for that.

Now mermaids can be mermaids and not manatees :p

[Gideon]

So there are no minimum size or quality requirements to get the 10 db each for two builds per month?

[Garmadon]

So there are no minimum size or quality requirements to get the 10 db each for two builds per month?

I believe the leadership has the right to request improvement or a new build if it is clear that they are just thrown out for the DBs and that the quality is suffering. However, there is no minimum size requirements, though the previous statement would apply to that as well

[Gideon]

I believe the leadership has the right to request improvement or a new build if it is clear that they are just thrown out for the DBs and that the quality is suffering. However, there is no minimum size requirements, though the previous statement would apply to that as well

Ok, that sounds reassuring

But would for example something like a 8x8-10x10 high-quality vignette qualify or are we talking something like 16x16+ for a build to count?

Edited January 12, 2016 by Gideon

[Garmadon]

Ok, that sounds reassuring

But would for example something like a 8x8-10x10 high-quality vignette qualify or are we talking something like 16x16+ for a build to count?

An 8x8 is a bit small, but if the quality was high enough I believe it would probably work - though some restrictions might be enforced if it started occurring way too much, but I rather doubt that that would happen

[MKJoshA]

Ok, that sounds reassuring

But would for example something like a 8x8-10x10 high-quality vignette qualify or are we talking something like 16x16+ for a build to count?

I think it's safe to say that a 8x8 or 10x10 build from you would count, as you always produce high quality MOCs

EDIT: Question about ships and the MCRA. If I have a ship with a cargo score of 0, does that mean even if I went on a trade run or a predator run that produced goods, I would come back with nothing?

Edited January 12, 2016 by MKJoshA

[Bart]

question when do I pay for a building?

I build two so far (warehouse and brothel) but I was under the impression the first two every month are free ?

so any new building would cost me dubloons, correct?

both first and second buildings give me 10db just because I build them

what about a third?

I can't really find it an the threads with rules

[Tomsche]

Your second building, and apart from your very, very first one in the game, also your first every month would cost you doubloons. The only free`s you get here are 1 property license (your first) and one class 1 or 2 ship license (again, the first you want to register).

It`s all in the `Owning Property`, `Building ships` and the `EGS rules` posts under the Master Index

So your second building will cost you 25 DB from your account (or tally for the month).

The first two freebuilds you do within any given month give a standard income of 10 each, everyone after that gives an income depending on the number of approvals from not same faction members. But you still have to pay their cost.

I think it's safe to say that a 8x8 or 10x10 build from you would count, as you always produce high quality MOCs

EDIT: Question about ships and the MCRA. If I have a ship with a cargo score of 0, does that mean even if I went on a trade run or a predator run that produced goods, I would come back with nothing?

I believe the ship rules for cargo state the `loot` you get would increase again by the number of cargo. So if you have 20 with a 0 rating, it would remain 20, but if you had rating 1 it would become +10%. or at least thats`s how I made it out from the sample voyage in the MCRA section

The trade value of the three places the ship visited is 700DB, A cutter has a cargo value of 2, which means the total is multiplied by .2 (every rank in cargo = 10%). So that is 140DB. Next the cargo roll, which determines the success of the merchants on board the ship is rolled. The bounty was very unlucky and rolled a 1 here, receiving the minimum profits. Consulting the cargo roll chart, we can see the modifier for traveling through four zones and rolling a 1 is 50%. After multiplying 140db by .5, we find that the bounty only earned 70DB for this trip.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Tomsche

[Bart]

Your second building, and apart from your very, very first one in the game, also your first every month would cost you doubloons. The only free`s you get here are 1 property license (your first) and one class 1 or 2 ship license (again, the first you want to register).

It`s all in the `Owning Property`, `Building ships` and the `EGS rules` posts under the Master Index

So your second building will cost you 25 DB from your account (or tally for the month).

The first two freebuilds you do within any given month give a standard income of 10 each, everyone after that gives an income depending on the number of approvals from not same faction members. But you still have to pay their cost.

sigfig intro = +25 db

Freebuild 1 (my warehouse) = +10 db

Freebuild 2 (the brothel) = +10db and -25db

total: 20 db

correct?

expected yield in february = +10 db

To start, a builder can buy and establish one piece of property per month in two locations, or three properties per month in one location. This limitation can change with rank and skills earned as the project progresses.

from the Owning land... etc... tread

I've got 2 pieces in 2 locations, so I cannot build more.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Bart

[Tomsche]

Yups, seems to be a correct tally

[Tezclatipoca]

Hi !

This is also how I counted my income.

Don't forget that every freebuild more than the 2nd one is able to make you earn some money too. But it needs aproval to earn more money.

So don't hesitate to build good quality builds !

[Bregir]

Just an addition to your discussion. You do not pay anything for posting a freebuild as such. Only when you register it for the EGS, will you have to pay the starting fee. And when you have paid this, it will start to generate dubloons.

Another point - the first free license is only for the smallest license. (Tier 1)