Brethren of the Brick Seas (BoBS) Introduction and Starting Thread

[dr_spock]

Thanks,

I had the whole rigging done, except two fore-aft sails. then I bumped into a stay to hard and the whole mast collapsed :S :S :S

Now its a tangle of ropes, mast pieces and spars.

(some pictures of before this accident on my flickr)

Oh no. Did you have restart from the beginning? I was dreading the mast collapsing when I was doing my ratlines.

I tried using left over embroidery tear away stablizer for sails. It's thicker than paper and stiffer than fabric. I haven't tried inkjet printing on it yet.

[Bart]

No need to restart fully. I think I can take out the yards and there running rig (halyard, topping lifts and braces) easily and then put up the mast with standing rig. Then put the yards back up, and re run their running rig. I'll try tomorrow.

The aft mast is still standing.

[Maxim I]

No need to restart fully. I think I can take out the yards and there running rig (halyard, topping lifts and braces) easily and then put up the mast with standing rig. Then put the yards back up, and re run their running rig. I'll try tomorrow.

The aft mast is still standing.

Lucky for you you don't have to restart completely :D

I am not really looking forward to the rigging of my upcomming ship... But as I will see Captain Green Hair the first weekend of February, maybe he can give me some advice

Seems to me the MCRA type form is the best way to do this....if you register a "purchased ship" you pay an additional "title transfer fee" that is compiled by the game runners....now, if the game runners then "pay" whomever is the current "notary" a weekly or monthly stipend for updating threads....seems that would be much more transparent...

I can licence a ship belonging to another member or even never posted in the forum. Everyone can. The game-masters will have to check if that's really my ship or not.

So they have two options:

- 1 digging through the complete forum to try and find out if I am the owner

- 2 go to the Ship Index where the current owner is stated

I am just saying the Ship Index is a wonderfull tool for both gamemasters and for Bobs-members to find everything they need to know. If your ship encountered another ship during a MCRA and you want to MOC it for the additional 10 db, you can find all the information about that ship (even who the captain of the ship is!!!).

I do understand you don't want me to become fealty rich and I agree it would not be fair if I make tons of money out of it. But don't worry, I guess we are talking about maybe maximum 5 ships that will be transferred each month. The time I will spent each month on updating the whole Ship Index will be way more than the time I need to build a decent vessel (I built the Knight of Stedor in one evening), which would earn me AT LEAST 25 db by selling it (so way more than the maybe 15 db I'll earn with the Ship Index.

Also, instead of hating such a brilliant idea that appeals to everyone (because it is a win-win situation for all parties, both seller, buyer, gamemaster and the other BoBs-members), be original and creative and find another way to make some extra db's. I am pretty sure there are many other undiscovered ways of helping the other members and earn a little from it (TIP: we still need a Settlement Index!). Don't be just a copycat like Megabloks is to Lego (and as far as I know, everyone hates Megabloks).

I think this is the fairest option. I think the "transfer fee" should be 5 DB which would be divided among the groups like this: seller's nation 2 DB, and 1 DB for each of the other nations. The management "stipend" cost should also be covered by all nations.

I completely disagree with this. I can see why the seller's nation should get a small fee (taxes), but all the other nations have completely nothing to do with the transaction....

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And just to make this clear: I didn't start the Ship Index to get benefits from the Gamemasters. It is my responsibility to put a lot of work in it, just like the Gamemasters put a lot of work in BoBs, so I will never ask ingame payments or favours by them.

The reason I started this whole discussion is because I saw an opportunity to make some ingame cash, paid by the members as gratitude for my service to them (helping a buyer finding a new vessel and helping a seller to get rid of his vessel, while updating the Ship Index so it is complete). I saw no flaws in this plan as both seller and buyer are very happy once the transaction is finished and because the Game Masters can easily check the current owner of a ship to check if the MCRA-entries are right.

Another note: I proposed the 3 db fee as I found that a very decent fee according to the earnings of the seller and the possible earnings of the buyer. If the community finds this too high and counteroffers a 1db or 2 db fee, that's also good for me. If it is 1, 2 or 3 db, that won't make such a big difference after a few months.

[CelesAurivern]

And just to make this clear: I didn't start the Ship Index to get benefits from the Gamemasters. It is my responsibility to put a lot of work in it, just like the Gamemasters put a lot of work in BoBs, so I will never ask ingame payments or favours by them.

The reason I started this whole discussion is because I saw an opportunity to make some ingame cash, paid by the members as gratitude for my service to them (helping a buyer finding a new vessel and helping a seller to get rid of his vessel, while updating the Ship Index so it is complete). I saw no flaws in this plan as both seller and buyer are very happy once the transaction is finished and because the Game Masters can easily check the current owner of a ship to check if the MCRA-entries are right.

Another note: I proposed the 3 db fee as I found that a very decent fee according to the earnings of the seller and the possible earnings of the buyer. If the community finds this too high and counteroffers a 1db or 2 db fee, that's also good for me. If it is 1, 2 or 3 db, that won't make such a big difference after a few months.

I think it's a great idea, really, to run a ship market.

Though it would be better to make it an official IC business, rather than running it OOC. But that's just my RP preference :p

So making it a licenced shipyard as a legit business, build a MOC for it, front office or whatever, you get a monthly income as per the games economic rules.

Extra income come in the form of commissions from ship transactions + some taxes go to the states involved. Indeed win-win for all and makes for a moving economy.

Of course, the we'll need the GMs to finalise this mechanics of such a system.

We can't have people abusing the system by selling a ship from captain to captain just to generate income for the state :p

In any case, make it an official IC MAESTRO business and don't think anyone will have any beef to mince.

[Mike S]

Can your intro count as both a free build with which to collect DBs and the intro that gives you 25DBs?

[TitusV]

Can your intro count as both a free build with which to collect DBs and the intro that gives you 25DBs?

I don't think so, but please verify!

[MKJoshA]

Can your intro count as both a free build with which to collect DBs and the intro that gives you 25DBs?

Someone, somewhere else said yes.

[Tezclatipoca]

Someone, somewhere else said yes.

It seems to me too...

It was something like that :

Posting your Sigfig in your Faction Thread : it's 25dbs

Making a freebuild in its own topic : it's 10dbs for the 2 first ones, and then it depends on the approvals.

[TitusV]

I have a question: can we use the DBs of this month's freebuilds to license things already?

[Kai NRG]

I don't know the answer to the first question, but:

I have a question: can we use the DBs of this month's freebuilds to license things already?

Yes. Just be careful not to go in the red.

[dr_spock]

I don't know the answer to the first question, but:

Yes. Just be careful not to go in the red.

What happens if one goes in the red?

[Tomsche]

My guess would be confiscation of goods

[Kai NRG]

What happens if one goes in the red?

You get hung by your toes from the nearest palm tree.

No actually. You just plain can't go in the red. You can't walk up to the cashier and pay cash you don't have. So you can't buy a property with money you don't have. At the very least you would have to borrow it first!

[Mike S]

Is there a DB transfer form? I'll be asking for a DB investment for the license of my next ship. Hope to be posting it tonight.

[Bregir]

There is:

Transaction Form - Use this when you are making payments to another player of faction. This includes selling EGS properties or ships.

Will be looking forward too seeing it!

[TitusV]

I have another question: say I build two houses of the same street, on a 32x16 baseplate. Could I register them as 2 small residence properties?

[Kai NRG]

I have another question: say I build two houses of the same street, on a 32x16 baseplate. Could I register them as 2 small residence properties?

Hmm... will have to get back to you on that one. No chance you can build them on separate 16x16 baseplates (and make them modular if you so desire)?

Do remember that in one month you can only license either 2 properties in 2 different locations or 3 properties in one location!

[Bregir]

I don't see why not - whether it is on one 16x32 or two 16x16 should make no difference, as long as sufficient effort I put into each.

This way, people who wish to build a large setup, can include several buildings for the EGS in the land- or cityscape. And I don't see why we would want to discourage that! ;)

[Maxim I]

I had the same question in mind as I am thinking about constructing a whole street in april :D I know the licencing will be in bits but still it is interesting :D

[Kai NRG]

Most certainly you could post and license modular sections. What I'm not sure about is if posting two buildings on the same inseparable baseplate should be/is permitted.

[blackdeathgr]

Also are we talking about normal buildings, not a road with facades or plain 4 brick-walls and a roof, right? Then it COULD go as separate builds in my book as well. But in cases like that, i would choose Ska's help

[Puvel]

How do the extra dbs for free builds get calculated?

I know it depends on the amount of votes, but there is also a 3 week period to count them.

Do you get some dbs at the end of the month and then possibly some more in the next month?

Just checking since I realised I didn’t register my intro build as a free build and I’m working on a ship and a little shop.

The ship is almost finished but I’m still waiting on some parts for the shop so that might not be ready till next weekend.

I want to post them both in this month so I can register them for the EGS.

[Captain Dee]

Puvel, there's a chart (somewhere, game economics thread I think) that shows how the DBs are calculated based on approvals. Good question about the end of the month - it will make things a little more complicated to award whatever has been earned up to that point and the rest later, but if it could be helpful to someone it might work out that way. Perhaps Ska could weigh in on the matter. Incidentally I have volunteered to tally these approvals/DBs so you may be hearing more from me as this progresses!

[TitusV]

So, I have 2 questions!

1. As you all may know, blackdeathgr and I are going to duel. For this, we're going to build a vignette. Should I count and register this vignette as freebuild?

2. After the duel, I'll MOC the results. Is there a special webform for MOCings of results (of duels, but also of the MRCA)

[Gideon]

It seems to me too...

It was something like that :

Posting your Sigfig in your Faction Thread : it's 25dbs

Making a freebuild in its own topic : it's 10dbs for the 2 first ones, and then it depends on the approvals.

So a build introducing the sigfig and presented in its own thread is separately counted and worth 10 additional db even if that build also was posted in the faction main thread? (sorry if this was already answered somewhere else)