Brethren of the Brick Seas (BoBS) Introduction and Starting Thread

[SkaForHire]

In the scorecard? According to my calculations I should have only 60 total, but 14 dbs/month.

Edit: Actually that's 19 a month, because of the textile monopoly.

Yeahhhh.... well, I am going to have to find a way for you guys to report monopolies and other oddities so that those are reflected.

[Kai NRG]

Yeahhhh.... well, I am going to have to find a way for you guys to report monopolies and other oddities so that those are reflected.

Perhaps you could just add a "notes" section to the property registration form? That way people building for half price licenses could note it too.

[Scarst]

Perhaps you could just add a "notes" section to the property registration form? That way people building for half price licenses could note it too.

From a technical stand point that works, but in an information setting Notes and oddities get jumbled and cause a lot of hassle as a file grows. to put an image to it Imagine you have a nice book shelf it has 3 books on it each able to fit each with their spine to the reader. Now you get another book that doesn't exactly fit unless you put it between two other books and have the spine on the bottom. It's readable but takes some work. Not you get a few more normal books but all of a sudden a book needs to have a piece of paper in it that's longer than the book That can not be crinkled, so you put the one spine in. After a year passes this nice neat book shelf is a filled with books facing the wrong way and you can't remember why you did it. You are eventually force to reorganize into a new system with about 100 items, and it takes a month or two to figure out meanwhile no one can read any of the books.

I may be over dramatizing, but the point is clear, we should take the time to set up a system that encompasses these possibilities instead of just adding patches because down the road it'll be much harder if we have a patchwork quilt of a system instead of a blanket, It will take a lot less effort early than down the road. Yes, I realize I used another analogy to describe an analogy it's something I tend to do.

[MiloNelsiano]

Would someone be willing to explain Merchant Companies a little better? I've been trying to find more information but I'm still struggling to understand them. What are the pros/cons? Is this also for Sea Rats or just for the other factions? A little more thorough explanation than what I'm seeing in the economy rules thread would be very helpful!

[Tomsche]

I think the answer is `nothing` apart from a common goal of people building for the same targets. And to be able to weave a better tale around it then every man for himself without underlying collaborative storylines.

That way, if a `company` (or rebellion, group of natives etc etc) pile their buildings together in a hamlet `founded` by one of them, the city can grow quicker then one man having to freebuild everything to get the level requirements to expand it.

Or so I think

[Elostirion]

Regarding the scorecard I don't agree 100% with my income. I have built a cotton plantation and a residence, both small.

Small Plantation: 5 DB. Monopoly of MCTC: 7.5 DB.

Small Residence: 2 DB.

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Overall income: 9.5 DB

The scorecard states 7 DB, so I guess the monopoly-bonus has not been calculated? Or did I miss anything?

[SkaForHire]

Regarding the scorecard I don't agree 100% with my income. I have built a cotton plantation and a residence, both small.

Small Plantation: 5 DB. Monopoly of MCTC: 7.5 DB.

Small Residence: 2 DB.

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Overall income: 9.5 DB

The scorecard states 7 DB, so I guess the monopoly-bonus has not been calculated? Or did I miss anything?

This is something for the adjudication form. The trade company benefits were not calculated this month due to oversight, but those wishing to collect them, must fill out the form. Also, all DBs round down except when paying the bank, where it rounds up.

To Milo, the trade companies may be granted bonuses for certain types of industry and commerce. Right now only Eslandola has official trade companies that own monopolies. Any nation can have a trade company, and if the company grows large enough, it is possible that a monopoly or something similar will be granted to it as well.

[MiloNelsiano]

Do trade companies have their own money pool? Where money earned must be put towards furthering the company? Or does the money earned go directly to the builder of the specific building, or get distributed evenly among members, or does this vary upon the company?

[Tezclatipoca]

I can answer to the Trade Company question :

By now I don't think there is real account for TC

Each member earns his own money by building and with the license.

Each company is making its own business after that with its members in order to group the fee in a money pool that the TC could use to develop.

So it's up to each Trade Company to organise it's money pool.

It is only what I think it's in by now, probably Kai or Garmadon could be more precise.

Btw, that question is leading me to a question :

Would it be possible to create an account for every TC in order to better organise the money transfers the player members are doing ? I mean there is one account for each faction, why not an account per TC ?

[Mike S]

I can answer to the Trade Company question :

By now I don't think there is real account for TC

Each member earns his own money by building and with the license.

Each company is making its own business after that with its members in order to group the fee in a money pool that the TC could use to develop.

So it's up to each Trade Company to organise it's money pool.

It is only what I think it's in by now, probably Kai or Garmadon could be more precise.

Btw, that question is leading me to a question :

Would it be possible to create an account for every TC in order to better organise the money transfers the player members are doing ? I mean there is one account for each faction, why not an account per TC ?

There is an account for at least one trade company...

[Maxim I]

There is indeed an account for MAESTRO as well normally :) but without money atm :p

So, the advantages are already summed up.

Even TC's can have money, they can't licence ships (Ska, I am correct now, am I?)

[SkaForHire]

There is indeed an account for MAESTRO as well normally :) but without money atm :p

So, the advantages are already summed up.

Even TC's can have money, they can't licence ships (Ska, I am correct now, am I?)

Right, but each company - trade or not - that wants to have its own account does have to register it so that the books are kept for that entity as well. We do reserve the right to decline a company's account -- especially if it is just one or two people.

[TitusV]

Right, but each company - trade or not - that wants to have its own account does have to register it so that the books are kept for that entity as well. We do reserve the right to decline a company's account -- especially if it is just one or two people.

Luckily, we're 3 Eslandolans and a Corringtonlander!

[Tomsche]

Regarding the scorecard I don't agree 100% with my income. I have built a cotton plantation and a residence, both small.

Small Plantation: 5 DB. Monopoly of MCTC: 7.5 DB.

Small Residence: 2 DB.

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Overall income: 9.5 DB

The scorecard states 7 DB, so I guess the monopoly-bonus has not been calculated? Or did I miss anything?

Doesn`t the income from buildings uploaded in january gets payed out at the end of february? That`s what i made out from the explanation (and my scorecard)

[Bregir]

Lets imagine I license the Otter as a class 3 A and send it on an escort mission with some of our merchant ships. What would my benefit be?

I suppose I should negotiate this with the merchants in the flotilla?

Perhaps a percentage of total proceeds. And how about captured ships? Are the title to those negotiable? Could I for instance claim title to all captured ships of the convoy - and how would the crown feel about that, I wonder...

Thoughts, sirs?

[CelesAurivern]

Lets imagine I license the Otter as a class 3 A and send it on an escort mission with some of our merchant ships. What would my benefit be?

I suppose I should negotiate this with the merchants in the flotilla?

Perhaps a percentage of total proceeds. And how about captured ships? Are the title to those negotiable? Could I for instance claim title to all captured ships of the convoy - and how would the crown feel about that, I wonder...

Thoughts, sirs?

Should be a pre-agreement with the merchants sailing. Like X% of their combined profit, if any.

Similarly for captured ships, since merchants do the fighting as well and share the risk, there should be a system of distribution. Such as from the proceeds of a sale.

[Maxim I]

About a percentage of the profits, that has to be agreed with the merchants.

I would suggest just a rent :)

About captured ships. Only ships captured by the otter can be claimed.

If there is a royal warship sailing along and she captured a ship, the ship will be for the crown.'

These are my thoughts :)

Edited February 8, 2016 by Maxim I

[SkaForHire]

Doesn`t the income from buildings uploaded in january gets payed out at the end of february? That`s what i made out from the explanation (and my scorecard)

He is referring to the "income" column, which is actually next months income and not anything that was added in your totals.

Lets imagine I license the Otter as a class 3 A and send it on an escort mission with some of our merchant ships. What would my benefit be?

I suppose I should negotiate this with the merchants in the flotilla?

Perhaps a percentage of total proceeds. And how about captured ships? Are the title to those negotiable? Could I for instance claim title to all captured ships of the convoy - and how would the crown feel about that, I wonder...

Thoughts, sirs?

I think this is all your business. As Maxim said, it would also depend on who caught the enemy. Technically escorts can fight together as packs as well, although that is a little more complicated. (CB4 if you are reading this, I forgot to mention that in our discussion) If a royal ship, one who is not charging a fee catches the ship, I would think that they would not share the prize with the merchants, since they are inherently benefiting from free protection. Privately owned escorts should negotiate with their convoys, but in the rules it is the escort who captured the vessel who has the game license awarded to them.

[Kai NRG]

I can answer to the Trade Company question :

By now I don't think there is real account for TC

Each member earns his own money by building and with the license.

Each company is making its own business after that with its members in order to group the fee in a money pool that the TC could use to develop.

So it's up to each Trade Company to organise it's money pool.

It is only what I think it's in by now, probably Kai or Garmadon could be more precise.

Btw, that question is leading me to a question :

Would it be possible to create an account for every TC in order to better organise the money transfers the player members are doing ? I mean there is one account for each faction, why not an account per TC ?

MCTC and ETWC at least have their own accounts. I think MAESTRO will have one soon too.

As to how to fill those accounts - that's up to the TC to find a way; members can pitch in to buy a TC license where the proceeds go to the TC which can then pay them back, or something like that.

[Tezclatipoca]

There is indeed an account for MAESTRO as well normally :) but without money atm :p

So, the advantages are already summed up.

Even TC's can have money, they can't licence ships (Ska, I am correct now, am I?)

Right, but each company - trade or not - that wants to have its own account does have to register it so that the books are kept for that entity as well. We do reserve the right to decline a company's account -- especially if it is just one or two people.

MCTC and ETWC at least have their own accounts. I think MAESTRO will have one soon too.

As to how to fill those accounts - that's up to the TC to find a way; members can pitch in to buy a TC license where the proceeds go to the TC which can then pay them back, or something like that.

Thank you to answer and to clarify all of this.

I was thinking there was not TC bank accounts because I didn't see them in the scoreboard thread.

Ofc it is up to each TC to fill this account. By fixed licensing, by percentage or whatever. It could vary in order to open some specific jobs inside the TC itself...

The best advantage for TC IMO is the group capacity of building and in a lesser way, the monopolies advantages. (I really don't care about this one though... I chose MAESTRO that have none by now... ;p)

Building with other members, been coordinated is a great aspect of the TC and is the best way to develop a settlement !

[Legostone]

Just a quick suggestion here: please add the "building a ship" thread as well as the one about buildings to the master index. Right now they are still findable, but will get more difficult to find eventually.

[Maxim I]

Just a quick suggestion here: please add the "building a ship" thread as well as the one about buildings to the master index. Right now they are still findable, but will get more difficult to find eventually.

Ska will have to do this :)

I added a link in the first post of my Ship Index :)

[Mike S]

Just a quick suggestion here: please add the "building a ship" thread as well as the one about buildings to the master index. Right now they are still findable, but will get more difficult to find eventually.

They both are already in the master index. Scroll down to the third post here.

[Legostone]

They both are already in the master index. Scroll down to the third post here.

Okay, I found it.

The Monthly Raiding and Commerce Action (MRCA) - This is the thread that explains what the MRCA is, and has examples for filling out a voyage.

Maybe you could add to the description that that post also contains a deeper description of the ship types - the current description doesn't give that out, might make some things a bit easier for starters ;)

[Vedauwoo]

Ok, just curious.....

What is the time frame on the "adjudication?" As in, when will I know if my other January Properties are earning monies for this month (do i need to file their missing freebuild forms now...or do I wait to be told what I need to do to correct the ledgers?)....or will they not start earning until the next month period?

Also.....how far "in the red" can one go with the bank to license properties/boats.....that is....if I obviously have the income coming in...how much can I spend against my earnings to license a larger project?

thanks!