Brethren of the Brick Seas (BoBS) Introduction and Starting Thread

[SkaForHire]

Ok everyone, please advise me.

I am almost ready to upload my rather large blue coat fort moc. I am not interested (at this time) in signing up for the EGS, but I may in the future once I understand the rules better. But I have a rather large fort/town and 2 blue coat vessels and 2 fisherman/merchant vessels.

I guess my questions are, so I just pick a name and place it anywhere in the map? I understand that I have a sig fig, but do I also have to name a governor and other town officials?

I just want to do this in accordance with the rules of the game, I don't want to cause any trouble. It just so happens that this game started at the same time I've been working on a rather large blue coat, red coats, and pirate world (sorry no greens ). But as of now, only my blue coats are ready to go.

Don't worry about stepping on toes. We are here to guide you back into the realm if you slip out.

Some more to add to Dannylonglegs' post. If you put the city in Oleon or New Oleon, you won't later be able to use these for EGS builds because they are in the Old World. As DLL said, there is rumor that there will be more islands in the very near future that all factions will be able to start building on. It might be better to wait the few weeks for this. But, there is always LeBellan, which is the richest of the Sea of Storms colonies, and belongs to Oleon. It is a sugar producing giant, with a tropical climate. It also needs settlers. Although there are two cities on the island, you could use your city as a third city. In order to do this, you would have to use the LeBellan map and state where the city was going to be (and make sure it is OK with your faction, if you don't want to worry about it being removed through story purposes by your faction!) The thing is, there is no LeBellan map right now, because I am still producing some of the island maps this week and next week.

The other option is the "squatter" colony. This is a colony that you put on the map, and don't worry who owns the island. However, if you place it in somebody elses' faction, they may try to push you out using the conflict resolution rules. Additionally, faction leaders can "boot" a rogue colony out through story if they need to. I am not saying we are going to do that, but we can if it comes to it. Likely that Squatter colonies will have to either pay taxes if in the ESG or take on "building missions" if you are outside of the ESG. But, it is up to the individual nation who owns the territory.

[TitusV]

I'm reading a lot about the first "free" vessel, but wasn't there a first "free" property too?

[SkaForHire]

Absolutely, your first small property is "free"

[Sir Stig]

Ok, if I have understood correctly:

25 db for posting sigfig and story.

1 free ship (+10 db for MOC).

1 free small bulilding (+10 db for MOC).

So I can start with building my character, a ship, and a small building. Once I post them I have 45 db for my next builds (+gains each month from my free small building). And I can post as many freebuilds as I like (for 10 db each) that I can register later, and then they start to produce db for me on a regular basis.

Did I get that right?

[Captain Dee]

Sir Stig - yes, posting your sigfig in the correct setting/context earns you 25 DBs regardless of whether or not you participate in the game system (EGS). Posting 2 freebuilds each month earns you an additional 10 DBs per build, or 45 DBs total using your example. You get the first small ship and property free but your first two freebuilds don't have to be used to build that ship and property. If you post more than 2 freebuilds in any given month, the number of DBs you earn for builds 3 and up for that month is determined by the number of approvals (thumbs up or stated approvals) given by members who do NOT belong to your same faction. (It isn't a direct count - 10 thumbs up doesn't give you 10 DBs - there's a chart explaining it somewhere in the rules) You could earn a lot or a little on these extra free builds, but your first 2 each month always earn 10 DBs apiece if they are deemed sufficient. I hope this helps!

EDIT: I've been thinking about the issue of scoring freebuilds 3+ (per month) differently - it will be necessary for the builder to identify these as numbers 3 and up for the month or else they may not get the approvals/thumbs up they need to earn any DBs on these builds!

Edited December 30, 2015 by Captain Dee

[MKJoshA]

Ok, if I have understood correctly:

25 db for posting sigfig and story.

1 free ship (+10 db for MOC).

1 free small bulilding (+10 db for MOC).

So I can start with building my character, a ship, and a small building. Once I post them I have 45 db for my next builds (+gains each month from my free small building). And I can post as many freebuilds as I like (for 10 db each) that I can register later, and then they start to produce db for me on a regular basis.

Did I get that right?

Sir Stig - yes, posting your sigfig in the correct setting/context earns you 25 DBs regardless of whether or not you participate in the game system (EGS). Posting 2 freebuilds each month earns you an additional 10 DBs per build, or 45 DBs total using your example. You get the first small ship and property free but your first two freebuilds don't have to be used to build that ship and property. If you post more than 2 freebuilds in any given month, the number of DBs you earn for builds 3 and up for that month is determined by the number of approvals (thumbs up or stated approvals) given by members who do NOT belong to your same faction. (It isn't a direct count - 10 thumbs up doesn't give you 10 DBs - there's a chart explaining it somewhere in the rules) You could earn a lot or a little on these extra free builds, but your first 2 each month always earn 10 DBs apiece if they are deemed sufficient. I hope this helps!

EDIT: I've been thinking about the issue of scoring freebuilds 3+ (per month) differently - it will be necessary for the builder to identify these as numbers 3 and up for the month or else they may not get the approvals/thumbs up they need to earn any DBs on these builds!

I believe it's an automatic 10dbs for the first two freebuilds ever, not per month. After that all freebuilds are judged and can earn a max of 7dbs.

[Captain Dee]

The Economic Game System (EGS) rules say:

"The first two free builds a month will earn a builder 10 DBs per build, after which, each free build earns as many DBs as it achieves on the approval chart listed below."

I read this to mean that 1 free build per month earns 10 DBs, 2 per month earns 20 DBs, and more than two requires approval to earn anything extra.

The chart shows:

1-3 approvals = 2 DBs

4-6 = 3 DBs

7-15 = 4 DBs

15-25 = 5 DBs

25-35 = 6 DBs

35+ = 7 DBs

As you can see, 15, 25, and 35 are incorrectly listed on two lines of the chart. Perhaps it should read:

7-14

15-24

25-34

35+

But that's up to the powers-that-be.

The EGS rules also say:

"The MOC has three weeks from posting to earn its approvals."

And

"Approvals are given by members within any faction other than the builder's."

[TitusV]

Ok, if I have understood correctly:

25 db for posting sigfig and story.

1 free ship (+10 db for MOC).

1 free small bulilding (+10 db for MOC).

So I can start with building my character, a ship, and a small building. Once I post them I have 45 db for my next builds (+gains each month from my free small building).

...

Did I get that right?

Wait! I always thought that building properties and ships you license for the EGS do not count as freebuilds, so the first free ship and property would not give you 10DBs? (there are also 3 webforms, 1 for freebuilds, one for ships and one for properties)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Maxim I]

Wait! I always thought that building properties and ships you license for the EGS do not count as freebuilds, so the first free ship and property would not give you 10DBs? (there are also 3 webforms, 1 for freebuilds, one for ships and one for properties)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The way I understand (and read somewhere else) you can first post a build as freebuild and then later on you can licence it as well :)

[Tezclatipoca]

The way I understand (and read somewhere else) you can first post a build as freebuild and then later on you can licence it as well :)

Me too I understand it like that.

So it is possible to earn more money by doing the builds like monthly freebuilds and register them the next month or once you have the Dbs to do so.

with this method it is possible to have a +5 on building a small house for example :

- you build it as a freebuild (it's a 10Dbs in your pocket...)

- and then you register it as a residence the next month (costing just 5Dbs)

so you earn a 5 Dbs in the deal...

Am I wrong ? Is it a good way to begin earning Dbs like that ? Is it breaking the rules ?

[Garmadon]

I believe it's an automatic 10dbs for the first two freebuilds ever, not per month. After that all freebuilds are judged and can earn a max of 7dbs.

It is per month, as Captain Dee ably pointed out

Wait! I always thought that building properties and ships you license for the EGS do not count as freebuilds, so the first free ship and property would not give you 10DBs? (there are also 3 webforms, 1 for freebuilds, one for ships and one for properties)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe that all builds (excluding builds for challenges) count as free-builds and will afford the 10DBs (or the up to 7DBs after the first two each month), so that would include any ships or property which you plan on licencing. That is to say, all builds are submitted via the freebuild webform whether they are going to be licenced for the EGS or not. After that you would use the ship or property webform to licence your builds so that they continue to produce DBs for you Oh, and you don't have to wait until the next month to licence the property or ship to earn the points for a freebuild

[TitusV]

It is per month, as Captain Dee ably pointed out

I believe that all builds (excluding builds for challenges) count as free-builds and will afford the 10DBs (or the up to 7DBs after the first two each month), so that would include any ships or property which you plan on licencing. That is to say, all builds are submitted via the freebuild webform whether they are going to be licenced for the EGS or not. After that you would use the ship or property webform to licence your builds so that they continue to produce DBs for you Oh, and you don't have to wait until the next month to licence the property or ship to earn the points for a freebuild

Thank you! (and the rest)

[Kai NRG]

Garmadon is right, but I just wanted to make things clear as possible:

25 DB for posting sigfig with a bit of background.

Then, your first two free-builds every month earn you 10 DB. These are one-time earnings; that is, you get 10 DB once and no more from that build unless you license it.

Any other free-builds in the same month earn DBs based on the approval system explained above. These, too, are one-time earnings.

You may license these free-builds at any time after building.

If you license a ship, you may, but do not have to, participate in the MCRA. This may or may not give you a good return. If you MOC the results of your MCRA action, you earn additional DBs.

If you license a property, you will receive an automatic return every month.

Your first Class 1 or Class 2 ship license is free.

Your first small property license is free.

Every licensed build is first a free-build.

Just make sure that you fill out the appropriate forms!

So yes, it would be a good idea to:

...start with building my character, a ship, and a small building...

[TitusV]

About the posting of the sigfig and backstory (25DBs): would one have to fill in a spdcial webform for that?

[Tezclatipoca]

Thank you Kai and Garmadon to make it clearer.

It is hard to begin a game without doing silly things.

I like what you did and the efforts you make to lead us through this great game ! Big thank you again !

[MKJoshA]

It is per month, as Captain Dee ably pointed out

Thank you for the clarification! So, does that mean we all have 2 more days to get our automatic 10db freebuilds in for December? Or are December and January being seen as one month here at the beginning?

[Bart]

queston: Do I have to keep my moc's intact, for the game?

[Kai NRG]

Thank you Kai and Garmadon to make it clearer.

It is hard to begin a game without doing silly things.

I like what you did and the efforts you make to lead us through this great game ! Big thank you again !

No problem! I've already done some silly things, myself.

[Maxim I]

queston: Do I have to keep my moc's intact, for the game?

Normally you don't :)

But if you are planning to join the BoBS lay-out at Brickmania Antwerp (in Belgium, somewhere around 15th of November 2016, but more about that later!), it would be cool to keep some MOC's intact :)

[Garmadon]

Thank you for the clarification! So, does that mean we all have 2 more days to get our automatic 10db freebuilds in for December? Or are December and January being seen as one month here at the beginning?

The first month runs from the launch to the end of January

queston: Do I have to keep my moc's intact, for the game?

No, for game purposes there is no need to keep you MOCs built (mine were all torn apart before it even got launched! ), and if you have a limited collection - well, I suppose everyone does! - it would certainly help you with future builds to take them apart. However, if you're planning on displaying them at some LEGO convention layout or something of that sort you might want to keep them built, but that doesn't have anything to do with the game

[Bart]

Ah great!

Indeed I don't have many bricks, and the majority won't find in the time frame (I've a lot of police and other cars :P)

I can match about 20 figs that would fit in the BoBs world. so small buildings with actions is things you can expect from me :)

I'll stick to my characters personal story line for now, until we get underway.

Pirates don't have any rules or things so far :P no trade unions to join, compulsory religions or something. so not really sure what to be doing exactly, but all others fractions had way to many rules, complications and things for my liking.

[Khorne]

So far the Poll from earlier this year was totally wrong. Eslandola and Oleon are killing it for membership, and the Sea Rats are almost a no show (I kind of figured Corrington would be low on members)

I actually find Corrington to be rather interesting, but I joined Oleon since I thought most people would join Corrington .

[dr_spock]

Ah great!

Indeed I don't have many bricks, and the majority won't find in the time frame (I've a lot of police and other cars :P)

I can match about 20 figs that would fit in the BoBs world. so small buildings with actions is things you can expect from me :)

I'll stick to my characters personal story line for now, until we get underway.

Pirates don't have any rules or things so far :P no trade unions to join, compulsory religions or something. so not really sure what to be doing exactly, but all others fractions had way to many rules, complications and things for my liking.

I think pirates are mostly free except there is still the bureaucrazy of filling in and submitting forms for builds and stuff.

[Captain Dee]

Instead of "Pirates of the Cabrickean" it's "Pirates of the Web Form!" ®®®!!!!

[TitusV]

Instead of "Pirates of the Cabrickean" it's "Pirates of the Web Form!" ®®®!!!!

About webforms: would I have to fill in one for posting sigfig + backstory (the 25DBs)?