Legostone Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bregir said: SHOW ME THE MONEY! :P I have Facebook and can see it getting there:D Maxim, maybe post a teaser of the current state of the WIP? Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, Maxim I said: Mardier summoned out of the blue more than 50 warships to raid all those settlements. This is indeed something that seems a little random - or at least unpredictable. No matter how this can be explained IC (the initial three 5A2 were only the first ships assigned to the colonial theater, now MAR has mobilized its main forces, which took time to arrive in the colonies) - the OOC side of this leaves room for improvement... In every conflict PC vs. NPC it should at least be clear at the start what total forces an enemy can field - that's surely info spies would gather - of course, there can be drafts and additional ships will be built, but an economy can only sustain so much. 8 minutes ago, gedren_y said: unlicensed Eslandola build set on the western-most of the tiny islands Well, in EGS terms Trador should not be able to profit of it in terms of trade value. You cannot just alter the geography as you please by drawing maps claiming pieces of land without prior consultation. Island layout is defined - each island features unique bonuses/bad points, so there need to be clear borders between islands - regardless of how petty this might appear - and it sort of does Either you redefine this build to be located on La Sombra (rewrite the text), or it is now subject to the Isla de Many Names. Quote
Kwatchi Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 55 minutes ago, Maxim I said: Considering Nova Terelli has a royal fortress ... With Royal Fortresses limited to Grand Cities only according to the rules, I'm curious how this came about. Quote
Elostirion Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kwatchi said: With Royal Fortresses limited to Grand Cities only according to the rules, I'm curious how this came about. The "Castillo de Nova Terreli" from kabel was there from the very beginning and was considered "Royal Fortress". Makes sense, because Nova Terreli has been there long before the game started (in BoBS-history at least). However it was never licensed during the game. Quote
gedren_y Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I claimed the build as La Sombra, I just used the map as referent for its location. I will agree that the islands are not part of the city of Trador. Quote
Bregir Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kwatchi said: With Royal Fortresses limited to Grand Cities only according to the rules, I'm curious how this came about. I believe this was one of the fortresses there "pre-BoBS" so to speak. Remember, Nova Terreli was already established when the rest of us came here. So even though I wouldn't think it below those pesky greenies, I actually do not think they have been bending any rules in THIS particular case. Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kwatchi said: With Royal Fortresses limited to Grand Cities only according to the rules, I'm curious how this came about. Those are starting fortresses - all settlements BoBS started out with are equipped with fortresses by default: Nova Terreli - one royal fortress, Bardo, Weelond, Bastion, Arlinsport, Breshaun, Eltina - two large fortresses each. MAR is a different matter... I don't have the numbers in my head, but I'm pretty certain there's a royal fortress in Kings Port. However, the rules on forts will soon be reformed - the fort level limit will disappear (so in theory you will be able to right out start a hamlet with a royal fortress) - the settlement size will only define the total number of forts possible - and... there will be upkeep on forts. Details will follow. Quote
Legostone Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Kolonialbeamter said: This is indeed something that seems a little random - or at least unpredictable. No matter how this can be explained IC (the initial three 5A2 were only the first ships assigned to the colonial theater, now MAR has mobilized its main forces, which took time to arrive in the colonies) - the OOC side of this leaves room for improvement... In every conflict PC vs. NPC it should at least be clear at the start what total forces an enemy can field - that's surely info spies would gather - of course, there can be drafts and additional ships will be built, but an economy can only sustain so much. 1 Certainly. The problem here is, again, PC factions can't mobilize their forces (we can only build so and so many ships - I've finished 6 ships over the course of the last month, with a couple more following very soon, but very few other players do that), and without checking any numbers I dare to say that none of our current factions have close to 50 warships under their control. @KwatchiI think that royal Fortress was there from the beginning on, and as far as I can tell, Royal Fortresses can be licensed from Large town onwards, as fort size limits only apply to towns and Hamlets. post-1037-0-36754200-1466015863.jpg Quote
Bregir Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Legostone said: I dare to say that none of our current factions have close to 50 warships under their control. But we are working on it! As you know, everyone not green is just waiting for you profiteering republicans to decide a war is in your economical interest! Quote
Kwatchi Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Legostone said: Certainly. The problem here is, again, PC factions can't mobilize their forces (we can only build so and so many ships - I've finished 6 ships over the course of the last month, with a couple more following very soon, but very few other players do that), and without checking any numbers I dare to say that none of our current factions have close to 50 warships under their control. @KwatchiI think that royal Fortress was there from the beginning on, and as far as I can tell, Royal Fortresses can be licensed from Large town onwards, as fort size limits only apply to towns and Hamlets. post-1037-0-36754200-1466015863.jpg Just to be clear, I have no horse in this race one way of another. I just found if curious that Nova Terrelli ( a large town) was able to license a Royal Fort. I admit the rules aren't all that clear, but if a Large Fort is the equivalent of size 3 I thought that was the limit that could be licensed a town that size. Then again, it looks like the tables have been edited once again recently. Quote
Legostone Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Kwatchi said: Just to be clear, I have no horse in this race one way of another. I just found if curious that Nova Terrelli ( a large town) was able to license a Royal Fort. I admit the rules aren't all that clear, but if a Large Fort is the equivalent of size 3 I thought that was the limit that could be licensed a town that size. Then again, it looks like the tables have been edited once again recently. I'm glad I'm only bothering with the water part of this:P Saves me from a bunch of trouble:P Quote
Maxim I Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, Kolonialbeamter said: Well, in EGS terms Trador should not be able to profit of it in terms of trade value. You cannot just alter the geography as you please by drawing maps claiming pieces of land without prior consultation. Island layout is defined - each island features unique bonuses/bad points, so there need to be clear borders between islands - regardless of how petty this might appear - and it sort of does Either you redefine this build to be located on La Sombra (rewrite the text), or it is now subject to the Isla de Many Names. The moment I choosed La Sombra (even before Mardier posted a map), I claimed those islands. When the general map of the Prio Region was published before the island picking, the minimal distance between those islands and La Sombra, it sounded logical that those minor islands were part of island 13 (La Sombra), as La Sombra itself is very tiny. I still haven't seen an official map of La Sombra. Tbh, I even don't know exactly how the islands looks like as there are always big letters covering the island So I have claimed those small islands from the beginning. No-one of leadership objected or made a remark about that. Gedren is so kind to build on one of these islands and now you are saying he will lose his moc if he doesn't change his location??? 3 months after he has posted that MOC and after he clearly stated what the location of that MOC is? I never draw that map (it is a riduculous enlarged version of Ska his original map) and therefor, I am not altering geography... I just thought those islands could be usefull to put sheeps on... If you decide the border is like it is, it is fine with me, I just think it is bad communication of the Leadership as I claimed those islands since the beginning. Quote
Bregir Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Maxim I said: If you decide the border is like it is, it is fine with me, I just think it is bad communication of the Leadership as I claimed those islands since the beginning. Let's all calm down for now. I am certain Capt Wolf or Garmadon will pass this on to the Brethren Courts if you ask, and we can have a decision. I really see no reason why it can't belong to La Sombra. Otherwise, make a small geological build establishing that it is rightfully part of La Sombra! :) Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Maxim I said: The moment I choosed La Sombra (even before Mardier posted a map), I claimed those islands. Again - this is a political move from your side. You can 'claim' all you want. You could even claim Le Bellan to be part of La Sombra - same thing. But it doesn't matter in terms of game mechanics, which are beyond our reach. 7 minutes ago, Maxim I said: the minimal distance between those islands and La Sombra, it sounded logical that those minor islands were part of island 13 (La Sombra) Well, the distance between these rocks and the Isla de Many Names is clearly smaller, so them belonging to #11 is even more logical But again, this doesn't matter in terms of game mechanics. 10 minutes ago, Maxim I said: So I have claimed those small islands from the beginning. No-one of leadership objected or made a remark about that. I hope you do get that the point here - or anywhere in this building community - is not to game the system - not to not get caught. What's the big deal to ask in case of unclear issues, instead of boldly going forward serving only ones own interests. None of us has all the answers, but pointing at an issue that's unclear can lead to someone looking it up - in the interest of all. I have gained access to some maps only a few weeks ago, and I stumbled upon this only now as you mentioned it here. I looked up the map for La Sombra, and voilà - it doesn't include these rocks. Simple as that. As all islands need boundaries for reasons stated earlier, I replied to your post. 18 minutes ago, Maxim I said: Gedren is so kind to build on one of these islands and now you are saying he will lose his moc if he doesn't change his location??? 3 months after he has posted that MOC and after he clearly stated what the location of that MOC is? Same as above. Had this been a royal whatsoever license, someone might have looked that up sooner, but it just hasn't come up. No big deal, just adjust the text, and all is good. You can still claim those rocks, btw, but it won't alter the mechanics - this would require someone repainting those map boundaries - and there's just no reason for that. Quote
Bregir Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kolonialbeamter said: What's the big deal to ask in case of unclear issues, To be fair, I do infact think that Maxim "indirectly" did this already, explicitly stating that he assumed those were part of La Sombra. I would have to go back and check though, but that sounds an awful lot like... WØRK! Quote
Maxim I Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Yup, you can go to the second or third post in the Trador settlement topic where I explicitly tagged Skaforhire about this :) Quote
Kolonialbeamter Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bregir said: To be fair, I do infact think that Maxim "indirectly" did this already, explicitly stating that he assumed those were part of La Sombra. Just now, Maxim I said: Yup, you can go to the second or third post in the Trador settlement topic where I explicitly tagged Skaforhire about this :) Does this make it any better? By that logic I could just 'assume' something, put it in a little frequented thread somewhere, and act on it - if nobody calls it it's all good. Then say it was out there all along, if I get called upon later. Doesn't seem fair. Ska wasn't available at the time, nobody else(?) had access to those maps, it stayed under the radar. Now it's out in the open and we try solving it. What's the big deal? All it requires are some words to be changed. Maybe this incidence teaches us to release official maps of all islands in the future. Quote
Capt Wolf Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kolonialbeamter said: Maybe this incidence teaches us to release official maps of all islands in the future. This. Quote
Legostone Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Well, who is hurt if those tiny islands get added to the very small island of La Sombra? Why is it such a big deal anyways? Quote
Capt Wolf Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 This topic has been taken up for discussion in leadership. There are good arguments on both sides. We'll get it sorted out. Quote
Elostirion Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I would personally love to see this conflict being resolved with ingame-storyline. I think it would be cool to give Maxim I, gedren_y and others potentially as well a chance to fight for - or against - claiming these islands. A build-off or a minichallenge for each of these islands, maybe? Maybe some of them will belong to Mardier, and some will belong to Eslandola? I would love to see us transfer OOC-conflicts into IC-challenges, because that might result in some fantastic MOCs and stories. And it would ensure that those debated islands would be filled with MOC-life. I also feel that would be quite fair to all arguments involved? Quote
gedren_y Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I went back to look at the original descriptions of 11 and 13 in the Prio Seas new islands thread. Neither makes any mention of the little islands. As for my build, it is set on an island that does not appear on the MRCA map. It is an unlicensed story build, therefore I only got the freebuild DBs out of it. I made no claim on the land itself. Who it officially belongs to doesn't really matter for the EGS concerns of that build. My geological description didn't include the larger islands, so I hope my story can stand without incident. As to the islands that actually appear on the MRCA map, they have no settlements on them, correct? If so, who owns them shouldn't matter in the MRCA. Ska's La Isla de Medio map makes small changes to the look of those islands, but clearly puts them in the island's zone of influence. I conceded those on the MRCA map belong there. The two little spots that don't appear (where my build is located), don't seem to be included in the La Isla de Medio map, given their relative distance on the original map. The whole issue hinges on the fact that Ska never posted a map of La Sombra. Quote
Mike S Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, gedren_y said: I went back to look at the original descriptions of 11 and 13 in the Prio Seas new islands thread. Neither makes any mention of the little islands. As for my build, it is set on an island that does not appear on the MRCA map. It is an unlicensed story build, therefore I only got the freebuild DBs out of it. I made no claim on the land itself. Who it officially belongs to doesn't really matter for the EGS concerns of that build. My geological description didn't include the larger islands, so I hope my story can stand without incident. As to the islands that actually appear on the MRCA map, they have no settlements on them, correct? If so, who owns them shouldn't matter in the MRCA. Ska's La Isla de Medio map makes small changes to the look of those islands, but clearly puts them in the island's zone of influence. I conceded those on the MRCA map belong there. The two little spots that don't appear (where my build is located), don't seem to be included in the La Isla de Medio map, given their relative distance on the original map. The whole issue hinges on the fact that Ska never posted a map of La Sombra. I will be posting the La Sombra Map here in a few minutes. As far as the islands in question, I believe they are the additions at the far south of Ska's La Isla de Medio map. Detailed maps look a lot different than the region maps. Edit: here it is: Edited January 23, 2017 by Mike S Quote
Maxim I Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mike S said: I will be posting the La Sombra Map here in a few minutes. As far as the islands in question, I believe they are the additions at the far south of Ska's La Isla de Medio map. Detailed maps look a lot different than the region maps. Edit: here it is: Awesome!!! :D I am very happy with this map, and as this will be the official map, the other one will be replaced :) We can make those other islands disputed and it will be solved somewhere in the future once the destiny of Isla de Medio is determined. As said, it would have helped if we have earlier access to the maps. There are many claimed islands without an official map. Quote
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