Latest impact of other themes on historic themes

[zoth33]

8 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The nougat barrels are not new. 
 

Agreed. Also, the fact that the same pattern is used repeatedly across the model suggests that these are printed (since if LEGO were going to use stickers, why not make different designs?). 
 

 

7 hours ago, Black Falcon said:

There shouldn´t be any stickers in that set, which is pretty nice. Also the brown tiles can be used pretty good as decoration in other sets, so one more reason why Lego wouldn´t use stickers for them ;).

there are no stickers in the set it has been confirmed that everything is printed.  

[JimBaggins]

13 hours ago, Classic_Spaceman said:

The nougat barrels are not new. 

Sorry, should have done my homework and checked bricklink. I guess I never noticed it, it's been around since 2021. 

[MKJoshA]

No stickers is very good news! I like the gold printed snake pattern and would hate for it to be reduced to a sticker. Also cool that the pattern is slightly different than the original Viking line which has both snake heads pointing up (or down). This is a good update that will look good with the old pattern for those of us who have it.

[CallMeCarbiz]

Sad news. I checked to see if the LOTR weapons pack is considered an IP element. It looks like it is. This was something I was hoping that would be released on Pick a Brick, but I don't think it will be.

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[Lyichir]

47 minutes ago, CallMeCarbiz said:

Sad news. I checked to see if the LOTR weapons pack is considered an IP element. It looks like it is. This was something I was hoping that would be released on Pick a Brick, but I don't think it will be.

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Honestly unsurprising, given how specific many of the molds (like the broken sword especially) are to LotR props. Best case scenario is a smaller LotR set comes out in the next year or so and reuses it.

[MKJoshA]

I was hoping the sword pack would show up on PaB, but wasn't counting on it. I bought 3 copies off Bricklink for around 16 each. That's about $1 a piece for each weapon and seems a descent price for highly detailed Lego weapons.

[MAB]

Even if they did small LOTR sets, there is the downside that the internal cost of the packet of weapons is so high that either they don't use it in small sets but use a single and possible generic weapon instead or the price of the set is increase due to weapons not being used for the set.

[Lyichir]

On 9/20/2023 at 8:50 AM, MAB said:

Even if they did small LOTR sets, there is the downside that the internal cost of the packet of weapons is so high that either they don't use it in small sets but use a single and possible generic weapon instead or the price of the set is increase due to weapons not being used for the set.

I don't know if the internal cost of a weapon pre-pack like that would be that high—maybe too high for the smallest of sets, but themes like Ninjago include similar weapon pre-packs in sets as cheap as $20.

[jodawill]

I never expected it to be on PAB given how specific the elements are. But I could definitely see it showing up in a future set, maybe a $100 set of some kind.

[MAB]

2 hours ago, Lyichir said:

I don't know if the internal cost of a weapon pre-pack like that would be that high—maybe too high for the smallest of sets, but themes like Ninjago include similar weapon pre-packs in sets as cheap as $20.

With that many large weapons? I don't buy many Ninjago sets these days so haven’t seen them.

[Lyichir]

6 minutes ago, MAB said:

With that many large weapons? I don't buy many Ninjago sets these days so haven’t seen them.

Perhaps not quite as many (16 in Rivendell vs. 12 in this past year's Skull Army faction), but not so much of a difference that it'd make releasing a cheap-ish LotR set with one infeasible. And really, anything cheaper than Rivendell would lower the aftermarket price of the weapon assortment from it.

[Aanchir]

17 minutes ago, MAB said:

With that many large weapons? I don't buy many Ninjago sets these days so haven’t seen them.

I mean, just two years ago, Ninjago introduced a range of "Epic Battle Sets" priced at $10, with a weapon pack unique to those sets (and appearing in a different color in each of them). If anything, I'd say some of those parts seem LARGER than some of those from the LotR weapon pack — after all, Ninjago is a theme where exaggerated, oversized weapons are just as customary as exaggerated, oversized vehicles!

Likewise, "accessory packs" created for licensed themes appear relatively often in $10 and $20 sets — a good example is the Spider-Man web pack. I believe some of them have even shown up in "magazine gift" sets.

After all, a big part of why LEGO even produces parts like these off of a single mold and puts them in sets as a pre-packaged bundle is to lower the cost of including several of them in one set, same as was the case with "tool wheels" and other accessories that came on sprues back in the 80s and 90s!

Edited September 21, 2023 by Aanchir

[MAB]

47 minutes ago, Lyichir said:

Perhaps not quite as many (16 in Rivendell vs. 12 in this past year's Skull Army faction), but not so much of a difference that it'd make releasing a cheap-ish LotR set with one infeasible. And really, anything cheaper than Rivendell would lower the aftermarket price of the weapon assortment from it.

Interesting that none of these packs seem to be on PAB so we can't get a rough idea of how  LEGO price them. I'm sure I've seen Friends multipacks on there in the past, the kitchen items and a bugs pack. I think they were quite expensive but I cannot see those any more either.

[Sir Dano]

59 minutes ago, MAB said:

Interesting that none of these packs seem to be on PAB so we can't get a rough idea of how  LEGO price them. I'm sure I've seen Friends multipacks on there in the past, the kitchen items and a bugs pack. I think they were quite expensive but I cannot see those any more either.

A few of them are, in fact:

[MAB]

9 hours ago, Sir Dano said:

A few of them are, in fact:

 

Thanks, are you searching by part number or set inventory? I'm finding they don't appear in some Inventories but do with the element number.

Anyway, those prices don't seem so bad, nowhere near as bad as I thought so maybe the internal cost is not so high. Compare that with things like the multi-pack capes from the Knight's Castle (when you had to phone, cape packs used to be reasonable value, like pieces 4 for £2) and they are very good value.

[Sir Dano]

I just typed "accessories" into the search bar, granted I only knew they were called that because I ordered the Monkey Kid one the other day.

[The_Cook]

I seem to recall, possibly from the Daniel Konstanski book, that these sort of accessory packs are created from the same injection mold in a single shot and then drop straight into the bagging machinery. Therefore production costs will be related to mold complexity and volume of plastic utilised.

That doesn't make it more likely to get the IP locked parts you desire but it does mean that if they were available they'd be priced similarly to the aforementioned accessory packs.

[Darth Shadowthrone]

Looking at the new Lego pirate GWP and does the black and red castle remind anyone else of fright knights? 

[GeoBrick]

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Edited October 6, 2023 by GeoBrick
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[Aanchir]

On 10/4/2023 at 4:35 PM, Darth Shadowthrone said:

Looking at the new Lego pirate GWP and does the black and red castle remind anyone else of fright knights? 

Not so much for me. If anything, I always associated Fright Knights with Dark Grey walls (since it was the first theme to make extensive use of arches and wall panels in that color), curved Bright Red roofs, and barred windows.

If anything, the Black and Dark Red walls and parapets remind me more of Vladek's castle and outposts from the 2005 Knights' Kingdom sets.

[Lyichir]

It's certainly too early to tell what all will become available through the Animal Crossing theme, but there's a possibility that some characters could provide torsos that could be useful for historic themes. Characters like Ankha, Chops, Elvis, Klaus, Knox, Lionel, and Sterling are a few examples of villager characters with history-inspired outfits.

[Wardancer]

The only interesting part from Animal Crossing is the new round 2x2 tree trunk piece in reddish brown as far as I can see. 

[Mopasali]

Do you consider the upcoming Dungeons and Dragons set a different theme from the historical themes?  D&D monsters tend to be more fantastical than traditional Castle, and it is coming under the Ideas banner.

Dragon's Keep: A Journeys End is probably coming soon because they picked the winner in Jan 2023 and picked a cover designer in August 2023, but I don't see much discussion on that set on the historical themes topic.

[Triceron]

We don't really have much information to talk about the D&D set.  It all depends on what treatment Lego does on it, since a lot of the design is gonna change for the final.  For me, it all depends on what the minifigures will be and what D&D races and classes will be represented, what new molds they might have etc.

[Black Falcon]

I would count it towards the historical themes. I mean, it basically is licensed but Lord of the Rings is here aswell, so... ;). And in the end both Lord of the Rings and Dungeons and Dragons fit together with Castles Fantasy Era, so it would actually make sense to have Fantasy and Medival etc. in this section.

I really liked the fan model, so the set will likely attract me too. I kinda wish we would get yellow colored minifigures though, but that would be very unlikely ;)

As for the minifigs, I would bet on one Rogue, one Fighter, one Wizard and one Ranger. Maybe a Bard as fifth?