TheFrisian Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 :-/ the bottom line is-they are your toys and you can play with them however you want to... :-) No argument there. But the real issue here is how to refer to them on Eurobricks ;-) Quote
Batbrick Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 In most fantasy literature (most notably LOTR) trolls are essentially described as big oversized brutes, whereas orcs are depicted as being roughly human sized. Not only that, "orc & troll" are just easier to say or type than "troll warrior & giant troll". So I completely agree with Batbrick on all accounts... even the fourth one this time! :-D P.S. Seeing which way the poll is going, I'd say most agree with Batbrick and myself. ___________ I'm adding you to my best friends list! *y* Especially since you agreed on my controversial fourth point! :-D But yes, orc, does in all accounts, fit. Does this poll decide how we shall call them from now on? I am FEAR Incarnate! *skull* Quote
TheFrisian Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 I'm adding you to my best friends list! *y* Especially since you agreed on my controversial fourth point! :-D But yes, orc, does in all accounts, fit. Does this poll decide how we shall call them from now on? You're welcome to ;-) And yes, I believe that was the intent of this thread X-D Quote
Lt. Col. Thok Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Seeing as most people are familiar with the term orc, that is the term that shall be used. Quote
Siegfried Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 They are goblins, I don't care what Lego or anyone says. I have read ooodles of fantasy, played wargaming and several variants of role playing (never as nurse so don't ask), and goblins is the logical answer. Troll warriors is such a namby pamby name that means nothing. Orcs are largely (but not only) a Tolkien creation, so they can't be that either. As for Ogre, that is an option depending on interpretation, but it is hard to treat Ogres seriously after Shrek! :-D I would however go for Ogre as a second option. But guys, call them what ever you want. If you don't care about being wrong that is! :-| ;-) Quote
SirNadroj Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 See, I'm oblivious to castle/mediveal jargon so troll just sounds OK, but orc now seems better. X-D Quote
andy_0306uk Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 I voted Troll cuz that's what the TLG that I worship have chosen to call them Quote
Asuka Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Athough J. R. R. Tolkien derived the word Orc/Ork from some older sources, it Quote
szww Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 I agree with you Asuka :) Ork is best term, in my opinion, to mane a more or less human-size creature... troll is something big (and usually stupid ;)) Quote
Nyundi Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Had to go with Orcs... I like trolls, but I see the bigger one as a troll; orcs tend to be more human sized in my mind, so minifig orcs should be minifig sized. Trolls on the other hand tend to be taller than humans (again this all in my head), so therefore minifig trolls should be bigger than minifigs. Quote
Johnny 5 Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 If we're talking Lotr here, which I think is relevant givin the appearance of the set (aquire the license already lego |-/ ) the smaller ones would be orcs and the larger would be a troll. Think of in Lotr:Fotr in the tomb in the Mines of Moria and the fellowship got attacked. The large blue-grey one was a cave troll all the others were orcs. While the word goblin in lotr was not generally used there were a few tribes of goblins. The group that assisted the Uruk-hai in transporting Merry and Pippin to Saruman before eventually fighting between themselves were refered to as goblins in the book. It seems that goblins lived in the woods to the north and did not generally come out to play. They were smaller and weaker than orcs and their tribes weren't as numerous. Because I'm going to be using these type of sets and minifigs for my upcoming Lotr mocs, they will be orcs for my purposes. Also in my opinion TLG used the term troll to make a distinction between them and other Lotr products seeing as they dont have the license. (yet) ;-) Quote
Minifig Lecturer Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Looks more like my neighbour than any of the above... Quote
Johnny 5 Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! You know I see that now too *sweet* *sweet* Quote
natelite Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 i think our perception of the green men has been poison influenced by tolkien's LOTR and D&D. orcs are human size, trolls are large. goblins are imps. pixies are small, elves are taller, dwarves are shorter. there are other fantasy, fairy tales, folk lores that picture trolls as small and hunched but the general view is that trolls are large like giants. something that even shrek couldn't yet defeat. maybe when the current generation grows up, they may be influenced by shrek and green humanoids will then be known as ogre. :-P i think for consistency, it's better to just stick to lego given names: trolls and giant trolls. :-P otherwise as time goes on, we're going to have hard time trying to keep up with who's who. i hope to see cyclops or two-headed ettins for castle 2009!!!! gogo cyclops! :-P Quote
Nyundi Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 i think for consistency, it's better to just stick to lego given names: trolls and giant trolls. :-P otherwise as time goes on, we're going to have hard time trying to keep up with who's who. Thats a great point. As much as I'll want (and try) to call them Orcs, it won't matter... however they're listed on Bricklink is what will actually stick. :-/ Quote
Sir Norman Ray Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Personally I imagine them to be my customers at work as they whine about their credit cards. Ugly, stupid creatures with one thing on their mind and unable to grasp simple concepts such as "regular payments." I have to agree with the Tolkien theory. (TLG cant get the license, Games Workshop has I believe, and TLG would go into debt to get it off them, they have NO DEBT.) When are the Lego Elves going to appear? We've got the army of the Undead, Dwarfs, Humans, Orc's/Goblins/Trolls, its only a matter of time really. So lets call the Green jerks Orc's and be done with it already, because in the end, on mass opinion, that's what they are. And we live in a Democratic World after all. Apparently... POLITICS ON Edited October 19, 2007 by Sir Norman Ray Quote
Two-Faced Batman Fan Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Well I don't care about video games :-P , but I have read LOTR and seen the movies (which I love) and I definitely see the small ones as orcs and the big ones as trolls. I just can't imagine the small ones being trolls because trolls are huge, sometimes fat, and stupid. And ogres I just see as Shrek. Goblins I don't mind them being called as, except the big (he's definitely not a goblin). Quote
Piranha Posted October 20, 2007 Author Posted October 20, 2007 Welcome BJ *y* Nice to see I have some positive impact here X-D I don't like Orc at all,becuase I feel that its a stolen word from some movie, and that the green creatures should be called Trolls just becuase I said so :-P And Notice not everyone is on my list, only the people who I know joke around alot However if you wish to be on the punish reward list PM me *sweet* Vote Troll Warrior ON! Piranha Quote
Shadows Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I don't like Orc at all,becuase I feel that its a stolen word from some movie, and that the green creatures should be called Trolls just becuase I said so :-P I can't take the little ones seriously as trolls, so if we're stuck with that, they'll henceforth be referred to as "baby trolls" by me. Or maybe midget trolls. Troll-ettes. Trollops! YES! Let's give them all lipstick and they can be slutty female trolls! We always complain about not getting enough female minifigs ... X-D And Notice not everyone is on my list, only the people who I know joke around alotHowever if you wish to be on the punish reward list PM me *sweet* Yeah yeah, like anybody has the nerve to whack me. >:-) Fortunately, no one remembers my sigfig anyway X-D Quote
Piranha Posted October 20, 2007 Author Posted October 20, 2007 I can't take the little ones seriously as trolls, so if we're stuck with that, they'll henceforth be referred to as "baby trolls" by me. Or maybe midget trolls. Troll-ettes. Trollops! YES! Let's give them all lipstick and they can be slutty female trolls! We always complain about not getting enough female minifigs ... X-D Yeah yeah, like anybody has the nerve to whack me. >:-) Fortunately, no one remembers my sigfig anyway X-D I wouldn't be too sure about that >:-) :-D Piranha Quote
john cleese Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I got it! We dont need to have a debate at all! We'll just call them GOOTs an acronym for ( Goblins, Orcs, Ogres and Troll wariors). I think these guys are lemmings myself. I have to say this topic is rather silly. It reminds me of that episode of Southpark Go God Go where the atheist factions are at war with eachother over what atheists should call themselves. Anyone seen it? I think GOOTs is a good solution to this "problem" though. Quote
Batbrick Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I got it! We dont need to have a debate at all! We'll just call them GOOTs an acronym for ( Goblins, Orcs, Ogres and Troll wariors). I think these guys are lemmings myself. I have to say this topic is rather silly. It reminds me of that episode of Southpark Go God Go where the atheist factions are at war with eachother over what atheists should call themselves. Anyone seen it? I think GOOTs is a good solution to this "problem" though. ________ As if! :-| Thats FAR too logical! X-D :-P I Am FEAR Incarnate! *skull* Quote
Corvus Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 What's this? I'm in a comic! How fun. :-P john: Your solution takes the fun out of everything. It makes sense and is kind of catchy. Drat. :'-( Quote
Hinckley Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Yeah yeah, like anybody has the nerve to whack me. >:-) Fortunately, no one remembers my sigfig anyway X-D You mean this one? You're right, no one remembers that... :-P Quote
Shadows Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 You mean this one?-nice try! You're right, no one remembers that... :-P Oh megablocks, now what will I do? X-D Stalker! >:-( :-P Quote
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