DC Super Heroes - 76052 Batman™ Classic TV Series - Batcave

[Robianco]

I'm firmly in the 'like it' camp. I already own it.

I must admit that these individual threads for certain sets tend to be dumping grounds for unhappy AFOLs. I understand that's what a forum is for but I also don't really understand the need to pop into a thread just to say 'I don't like it. It's too expensive' or 'I like some of this set but it's way overpriced'. They feel like comments created just to add to post count and to ride the general mood of indignation at a certain set.

There's so much to like about this set and I, for one, am happy that it's in one place rather than broken up into different sets. Maybe... just maybe, Lego didn't want another sub theme running with various sets alongside and competing for sales with the regular Superheroes line. Not when they've got Mighty Micros being launched along with the regular sets from this wave.

[belkor]

I'm firmly in the 'like it' camp. I already own it.

I must admit that these individual threads for certain sets tend to be dumping grounds for unhappy AFOLs. I understand that's what a forum is for but I also don't really understand the need to pop into a thread just to say 'I don't like it. It's too expensive' or 'I like some of this set but it's way overpriced'. They feel like comments created just to add to post count and to ride the general mood of indignation at a certain set.

There's so much to like about this set and I, for one, am happy that it's in one place rather than broken up into different sets. Maybe... just maybe, Lego didn't want another sub theme running with various sets alongside and competing for sales with the regular Superheroes line. Not when they've got Mighty Micros being launched along with the regular sets from this wave.

Having seen it in the flesh, I like it. Particularly the minifigs - they are lush. However, if I'm gonna drop £230 on a LEGO set it would have to be amazing.

I'd like to own it, and I loved the idea of it when it was first announced. I'm annoyed with LEGO for pricing me out of buying a set I would have bought at a more realistic price. I'm just guessing here, but I imagine a lot of AFOLs feel the same way. And the only place they can express that annoyance is on a forum like this!

[8BrickMario]

If more people voice negative opinions, there's a better chance of them being heard by LEGO. People need to know when a set has problems, and multiple people expressing the same opinion isn't redundant. That's only the case when one person repeats their point many times.

[Robianco]

That's only the case when one person repeats their point many times.

This forum is certainly home to a few of those!

[fordtruckin]

I really like the set as well as the TV show. The price is a bit steep considering a few important characters are missing. And it is ridiculous that every batcave purchase does not come with the Mr Freeze polybag for free. I haven't seen the set in person but I will be buying it soon anyway solely because I am a huge fan of DC Comics and Lego. I can understand all of the complaints about the set I have heard so far because they are legitimate criticism and I hope Lego pays attention because we are all fans of Lego. Even though we are not the "target" market we contribute immensely to their success. My 5 kids had zero interest in Lego at the store until they started playing with some of my old sets

Edited February 26, 2016 by fordtruckin

[Actor Builder]

multiple people expressing the same opinion isn't redundant.

Sure it is! That's part of the fun of redundancy. It might not be seen as whiny, as one person's multiple postings might be, but it's certainly redundant!

Sure it is! That's part of the fun of redundancy. It might not be seen as whiny, as one person's multiple postings might be, but it's certainly redundant!

Sure it is! That's part of the fun of redundancy. It might not be seen as whiny, as one person's multiple postings might be, but it's certainly redundant!

[Forresto]

I like the set a lot, it's a unique spin on doing another batcave rather then simply doing another generic modern bat cave. It may be a little pricy but it's better then Assault on Hoth

[VintageLegoEra]

Any one has the tumbler to put aside this set and see the size?

[Robianco]

Any one has the tumbler to put aside this set and see the size?

I've not had a chance to build the Batcave yet but when I do I'll put the tumbler next to it and photograph it if nobody else has.

[Cmay91472]

If more people voice negative opinions, there's a better chance of them being heard by LEGO. People need to know when a set has problems, and multiple people expressing the same opinion isn't redundant. That's only the case when one person repeats their point many times.

I agree 100% especially since we know the Lego designers visit these forums.

[TheBrickHitHouse]

Bought this set and can't wait to build it, it's so delightfully 'lego' - classic batman is such a tonal 'fit'

And to the moaners:

Some people can't afford expensive Lego sets, some can.

Lego knows this and makes sets for all budgets.

They don't care that some people can't afford some of their sets and moan about it.

They call that 'economics'.

Want to buy more expensive sets? Get a better job, that's called 'earning a living'.

Or just complain like a spoiled child, whatever.

[Cmay91472]

Bought this set and can't wait to build it, it's so delightfully 'lego' - classic batman is such a tonal 'fit'

And to the moaners:

Some people can't afford expensive Lego sets, some can.

Lego knows this and makes sets for all budgets.

They don't care that some people can't afford some of their sets and moan about it.

They call that 'economics'.

Want to buy more expensive sets? Get a better job, that's called 'earning a living'.

Or just complain like a spoiled child, whatever.

Wow. Talk about ignorance and elitism.

I have the funds to purchase any Lego set at anytime regardless of cost. I've purchased the GB HQ, Tumbler, Slave 1, Helicarrier and Sea Cow all within the past calendar year not to mention about another $2,000 on other smaller sets for both myself and my two kids.

So cost of a set is obviously not an issue for me. What I do have an issue with is Lego's recent choice to release two $250+ sets (60's Batcave and Hoth UCS) both clearly aimed at AFOLs but designed as overpriced kid's play sets. Just because I have the funds to buy this horrendous example of laziness, does not mean I'm going to just throw away money when the only thing in this set I remotely have any interest in is the Wayne Manor section and the Batmobile.

On to your comment about telling others to stop complaining and get a better job, that is about the most obnoxious statement I've seen anyone post in here in quite some time. Instead of being an elitist, step back and be grateful for the situation you're in right now. Not everyone can afford to buy multiple large sets like you and I and must often pick and choose what sets they will spend their money on. Just because they have less money to spend on Lego doesn't mean they didn't work just as hard for that money than you did with your get a better job attitude.

So if they want to voice their displeasure with this set, they have every right to do so, just as you have every right to say you love this set. What is inappropriate is for you to dismiss their opinions in an elitist manner by saying what you did in regards to someone's budget or lack there of.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Cmay91472

[Robianco]

I really don't think the Batcave can be described as lazy. Admittedly the Hoth set appears to me the victim of some lazy design choices due to the elements that make up a lot of the set resembling past releases but there's nothing about the Batcave that says recycled or lazy idea. Perhaps a little unrefined in places but certain not to the point of the designer just phoning it in.

The issue of cost over 'value' will always be an issue regardless of the size of the set but more apparent in very large sets.

I think BrickHitHouse's comment relates more directly to people that just seem to say 'it's too expensive'. I know that people use this forum to offer opinions about sets in the hope that it will get back to Lego in some way and help influence future set designs and decisions but I really don't think it has any effect on Lego at all. People have said for years about the design of the Snowspeeder, including me, that they need to tweak the design even by the addition of a more accurate canopy but nothing posted on this forum for years has had an bearing on that happening... and here we have what appears to be a clone of the exiting Snowspeeder appearing in the new Assault on Hoth. I don't believe for one second that dissenting comments made on here have any bearing whatsoever on Lego's design process or costing strategy. Smaller sets may have made a Batmobile more accessible to some but it didn't happen so people do need to 'get over it' a little. It's not going to change.

With very large set there is an element of it just being 'tough' when it comes to someone not being able to afford it. Lego isn't a cheap hobby especially when looking at Licensed sets. Short of moulding on certain parts of the set, which I think should have been included and has been done as a mod by someone and posted on Youtube (which I think made the set look more complete), I can see their idea of having one large set and including everything in it over releasing it as separate sets. If anything the comments regarding that may show Lego that there is interest in a Classic Batman series but these conversation may very well have happened at Lego and, forfar one reason or another, they went with one large set.

Should the set have been a little cheaper? Maybe... Offering it at £199 rather than the £229 doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. Do I think they're wrong in them doing one large set over multiple small sets? No... not really. I'd have probably bought all the smaller sets anyway so it makes no really difference to me but I can see why some people would have preferred it that way to make some elements more affordable.

God help this place if a UCS Falcon gets released around the $500/£500 mark. As elitist as some things come across now there'd be both dancing in the streets and a swathe of angered disapproval depending on which side of the conversation you found yourself on.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Robianco

[8BrickMario]

I think the point people are making is not its price, but its price for value. I'm sure many people will be able to afford it, but there are several reasons for people to feel that the set simply isn't worth the high price. It's neither an attractive display piece or a very playable playset, and it looks generally unfinished on each module. The minifigures are fantastic, but the model itself is lacking in many ways. So people aren't necessarily complaining about the price, but that the price isn't justifiable.

[Peasantseverywhere]

I think the point people are making is not its price, but its price for value. I'm sure many people will be able to afford it, but there are several reasons for people to feel that the set simply isn't worth the high price. It's neither an attractive display piece or a very playable playset, and it looks generally unfinished on each module. The minifigures are fantastic, but the model itself is lacking in many ways. So people aren't necessarily complaining about the price, but that the price isn't justifiable.

You say this like it is fact, saying that this set isn't a good price is your opinion I think it's very fairly priced. I also think it looks great on display in my office. People need to stop stating things as facts that are just their opinion. It's one of those things that really grinds my gears (if you'll follow the Family Guy reference)

[Cmay91472]

You say this like it is fact, saying that this set isn't a good price is your opinion I think it's very fairly priced. I also think it looks great on display in my office. People need to stop stating things as facts that are just their opinion. It's one of those things that really grinds my gears (if you'll follow the Family Guy reference)

What people need to do is stop generalizing anybody who criticizes the set's price as someone who needs to get a better job as 'brickhithouse' does. Nothing he said was wrong in regards to him liking the set or for that matter disagreeing with those who don't, but in my opinion it goes against the spirit of this community to then try to characterize those who complain about the price as individuals who need to get better jobs. I for one am very grateful that I can spend what I want on this hobby and certainly can empathize with those on lesser budgets. It's just irritating to read what 'brickhithouse' calls 'spoiled' when if anything his response is the definition of a spoiled mentality.

In regards to my opinion of the set being 'lazy', I definitely see the other point of view and respect that. I just feel that more effort could have been put into the design and making it one large display or at least something more coherent rather than three unfinished sections with way too many loose pieces (computers, etc) as well as instead of having 1000 stickers, printing some special exclusive pieces such as the Hellicarrier runway plates (ahem Batcopter helipad).

But I definitely can see why this set would appeal to others especially fans of the show. Again, I just feel it's uneccesary to criticize one's funds or lack there of just because they disagree with the cost complaint.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Cmay91472

[Peasantseverywhere]

What people need to do is stop generalizing anybody who criticizes the set's price as someone who needs to get a better job as 'brickhithouse' does. Nothing he said was wrong in regards to him liking the set or for that matter disagreeing with those who don't, but in my opinion it goes against the spirit of this community to then try to characterize those who complain about the price as individuals who need to get better jobs. I for one am very grateful that I can spend what I want on this hobby and certainly can empathize with those on lesser budgets. It's just irritating to read what 'brickhithouse' calls 'spoiled' when if anything his response is the definition of a spoiled mentality.

Oh I understand where your coming from. My point was made completely separate from that as I also believe Brickhithouse's response was very innapropriate. As much as I love the set £220 isn't an amount of money I can easily pass over even with a good job. I don't understand where he got that idea from.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Peasantseverywhere

[8BrickMario]

I wasn't trying to state a fact, rather, I was trying to state why people don't feel the price is reasonable. I'm not saying others can't like it, but I was illustrating why people aren't happy with the price.

[LegoFjotten]

I am glad LEGO makes sets in a wide range of prices, that way there is something for everyone.

I agree with 8BrickMario, price/value is a big factor when deciding if I should buy a set or not; If I'm blown away by a set I'll probably end up buying it. If I don't fall in love with a set right of the bat I will certainly take a closer look at what unique figs/pieces and consider price/value more closely.

I don't like the "I can't afford a set over $50, therefore this set is too expensive and LEGO shouldn't make it" line of thinking. This was one of the point TheBrickHitHouse was making (but maybe a bit too harshly).

Calling a set design lazy is (IMO) lazy. Take the time to say what you don't like about a set, or what you think would make the set better.

Attacking a set designer directly is uncalled for IMO. We don't know what parameters/limitations the set designer works within, for all we know a set could be exactly what "the boss" asked for even if we picky AFOL's don't love it.

As someone who never saw the original Batman show, this set is not a must have for me and I will probably only get it if I can get it at a discount.

I would probably enjoy building it though, and I really like the office w/wallpaper, as well as Catwoman and the civilian figs.

[Cobb]

When were/are the double vip points?

And how do you guys find out these promotions in advance?

Edited February 28, 2016 by Cobb

[Actor Builder]

When were/are the double vip points?

LEGO Shop. Starting 7th of March I believe.

And how do you guys find out these promotions in advance?

We use the interwebs, which you seem to have access to.

[belkor]

Bought this set and can't wait to build it, it's so delightfully 'lego' - classic batman is such a tonal 'fit'

And to the moaners:

Some people can't afford expensive Lego sets, some can.

Lego knows this and makes sets for all budgets.

They don't care that some people can't afford some of their sets and moan about it.

They call that 'economics'.

Want to buy more expensive sets? Get a better job, that's called 'earning a living'.

Or just complain like a spoiled child, whatever.

Presumptive and patronising words indeed.

This is about customer-perceived value. One man's junk is another man's treasure. For me the value just isn't there in this product to justify the price tag. I've got a good job, I can afford it, but I would feel like I've been ripped off if I bought it.

I get the feeling that TLG marketing department have decided they can get more money for some of these big sets because their brand is so strong at the moment. They're trying it on, and some suckers will happily pay anything it seems.

Edited March 1, 2016 by belkor

[Captain Britain]

Presumptive and patronising words indeed.

This is about customer-perceived value. One man's junk is another man's treasure. For me the value just isn't there in this product to justify the price tag. I've got a good job, I can afford it, but I would feel like I've been ripped off if I bought it.

I get the feeling that TLG marketing department have decided they can get more money for some of these big sets because their brand is so strong at the moment. They're trying it on, and some suckers will happily pay anything it seems.

Am I a sucker for wanting the set?

[Cobb]

Yes we all are, if buying. We should instead not buy this set, to make Lego change their selling strategy.

But sadly I will buy this set. I like the figs too much, am a huge Batman fan and grew up watching the 66 show on TV...

Edited March 1, 2016 by Cobb

[Churchill]

I'm currently building the set, and my opinion has changed favorably now that I'm building it. The atomic pile section in particular was very well designed, and a larger build than I thought it was going to be. I feel that I got my money's worth, but that's just my opinion.

I do think that there is way too much negativity in the DC forums. Considering that Batman originally went away, every new set we get is amazing. Complaining about this price, that set, the lack of this minifigure or in general "what's Lego going to do for me next?" makes me feel like the age and maturity levels on these forums has slipped a lot.