42056 - Porsche Speculation

[RichiPuppy]

The trunkdoor being tiny is how all real Porsches are, every real 911 based Porsche you can only see the back of the engine. The paddle shifters are definitely pull style, if they were push the rubber bands would be pulling them the other way.

[scooper22]

Interesting!

[JimDude]

In this pic it really looks mocked-up to me. It even has (cardboard) wrinkles…

That would also explain why you can't take pictures of this particular detail, while aparently no other parts of the car were off-limits.

BTW, is anyone else getting epileptic fits from staring at the camo-stickers for 3 days on end ?

[AlphaX]

The trunkdoor being tiny is how all real Porsches are, every real 911 based Porsche you can only see the back of the engine. The paddle shifters are definitely pull style, if they were push the rubber bands would be pulling them the other way.

Yes, the trunk is relativly small on the real ones, you basicly only see a plastic cover and airflow/cooling system. (keep in mind this is not the same model as the Lego Porsche, its from a older 911 GT3 R Hybrid. But its roughly the same.

Edited January 29, 2016 by AlphaX

[Ebbi]

If these are the grey parts you are talking about:

These are part of the exhaust system, and i believe that they are only and not PF motors. This is roughly how the real one looks:

Also it does have a Boxer 6 Engine, and i doubt lego will put only 4 cylinders there.

The CAD-picture comes pretty close to the pieces i saw. The more i think about it TLG did a pretty good job of making it look like the original

Edited January 29, 2016 by Ebbi

[Tommy Styrvoky]

Maybe a batterybox and receiver in 1?

I think it's just a combination of parts used for the exhaust system, I also noticed what appears to be like ribbed hose connecting to it, after some slight enhancement's it's somewhat visible from the screenshots, and I also believe this part to be the "motor" that everyone is speculating about.

Screen Shot 2016-01-29 at 9.06.24 AM by Tommy Styrvoky, on Flickr

[Ebbi]

Those tubes were visible too

[UnimogU400fan]

I think it's just a combination of parts used for the exhaust system, I also noticed what appears to be like ribbed hose connecting to it, after some slight enhancement's it's somewhat visible from the screenshots, and I also believe this part to be the "motor" that everyone is speculating about.

Screen Shot 2016-01-29 at 9.06.24 AM by Tommy Styrvoky, on Flickr

Would be embarassing if this car wont have rc controls for 300Euro....

[Plastic Nurak]

I'm wrong or there's any HoG steering in this car ?

[andythenorth]

I think there are 2 L-motors packaged in the rear, in a new PF 2 format. I have zero evidence, just a gut instinct.

[Tommy Styrvoky]

Would be embarassing if this car wont have rc controls for 300Euro....

If it was RC, then you could add on another 50-100 Euros for it. I think Lego is doing the right thing, this model is meant to be a static display model. I know that everyone wishes that maybe Lego would produce high powered RC equipment, but it's very unlikely to happen for a long time, and It would take several of the old 9V RC motors to power this.

I think there are 2 L-motors packaged in the rear, in a new PF 2 format. I have zero evidence, just a gut instinct.

Where in the rear? next to the engine ?

As those coud also be a part of the exhaust system too, looking at the cad file, that may hold true.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Tommy Styrvoky

[agrof]

If it was RC, then you could add on another 50-100 Euros for it. I think Lego is doing the right thing, this model is meant to be a static display model. I know that everyone wishes that maybe Lego would produce high powered RC equipment, but it's very unlikely to happen for a long time, and It would take several of the old 9V RC motors to power this.

This is my feeling too. Would be also embarassing, if people who as newbies would buy the Porsche with RC, later would dissapointed comment the internet: "I was told it is RC, but it is slow, weak, and barely enjoyable compared to XYZ...".

Lego is meant for indoor and mainly for building experience, RC is meant for outdoor and mainly for driving experience. Wouldn't be lucky situation, if people start to compare them 1:1.

Edited January 29, 2016 by agrof

[UnimogU400fan]

This is my feeling too. Would be also embarassing, if people who as newbies would buy the Porsche with RC, later would dissapointed comment the internet: "I was told it is RC, but it is slow, weak, and barely enjoyable compared to XYZ...".

Lego is meant for indoor and mainly for building experience, RC is meant for outdoor and mainly for driving experience. Wouldn't be lucky situation, if people start to compare them 1:1.

Yeah actually I can agree to that. If you want it to be rc it doesnt seem very difficult to do that, but the Xerion is much better suited for rc purposes.

[JGW3000]

If it is RC, the functions are not steering and propulsion, just lights, doors, spoiler, hood, trunk, etc...

If the RC is for propulsion, then I agree it better be fast. If the car is fast, then it has to be crash-worthy. While the front and rear fenders look substantial on this model, we all know that LEGO does not survive multiple moderate speed impacts. If you want fast RC, there are plenty of $30 options out there. This car is no inexpensive RC that I would give to my kid and watch it get destroyed (he goes through about 2 RC cars a year), its an expensive AFOL-targeted collector's item.

In any case, for the price point, hoping for some RC functionality, but not propulsion

[zux]

At this moment I don't see why its price is 300EUR, especially if there's no RC for propulsion.

[Ondra]

At this moment I don't see why its price is 300EUR, especially if there's no RC for propulsion.

License?

[AlphaX]

At this moment I don't see why its price is 300EUR, especially if there's no RC for propulsion.

Didn't they talk about a special packaging? I could also see a booklet about the porsche etc. included in it.

[franciscok]

Hi,

Again a newbiie question... how heavy licensing will be in total price? For example Lego 75912 is 54,99€ for 551 parts including two 911 with official racing liveries (and logos in the box!) (featuring sponsors like Michelin and Mobil1) wich results in 0,10€ per part... Lego Training Jet transporter (60079) 448 parts retail for 49,99€ wich is roughly 0,9€ per part and Lego Swamp police station (60069) retailing at 69,99€ also has 0,10€ per part (I have compared the Speed Champions with City sets roughly in the same price range).

Cheers

[Appie]

I don't think it will have more than 4 gears, since it's operated with a rotation motion (crank+link) which means 4 evenly timed (more or less...) positions a clutch can have. More speeds always means a rotating selector drum or sliding selector beam with properly shaped tracks (like in Sheepo's models).

Well that "rotating selector drum" could be located in the rear part of the centre console, after the the flappy panel gearbox mechanism. It would basically be the same as what Sheepo made for his Mustang. The servo in the Mustang has the same function as the knob gears here, moving a mechanism 90 degrees up or down which then powers a rotating selector drum to one of its 6 positions (5+R). The only problem in Sheepo's model is that it works reliably 90-95% of the time (which I still consider quite a feat for a remote control sequential gearbox ). I wouldn't be surprised if Lego made a few new parts to make that kind of system 100% reliable to provide more than 4 speeds in the gearbox.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Appie

[Saberwing40k]

Hi,

Again a newbiie question... how heavy licensing will be in total price? For example Lego 75912 is 54,99€ for 551 parts including two 911 with official racing liveries (and logos in the box!) (featuring sponsors like Michelin and Mobil1) wich results in 0,10€ per part... Lego Training Jet transporter (60079) 448 parts retail for 49,99€ wich is roughly 0,9€ per part and Lego Swamp police station (60069) retailing at 69,99€ also has 0,10€ per part (I have compared the Speed Champions with City sets roughly in the same price range).

Cheers

Excellent point. My estimation is that the set is about 1800 pieces, and there is no way that Lego would try to sell something where almost half the price is liscensing. And, as you point out, liscensing on the Speed Champions sets adds basically nothing to the cost. Either the price is wrong, or we're really missing something here.

[Cumulonimbus]

Two thoughts:

- If there is a third selector mechanism (possibly hidden from view now) controlling another set of gearbox gears, then the amount of gears would be 2³ =8, right? How many gears does the real GT3 have?

- If there are only 4 forwards gears, could the central lever be used for forward, neutral and reverse?

[Tommy Styrvoky]

Excellent point. My estimation is that the set is about 1800 pieces, and there is no way that Lego would try to sell something where almost half the price is liscensing. And, as you point out, liscensing on the Speed Champions sets adds basically nothing to the cost. Either the price is wrong, or we're really missing something here.

It could be so expensive because of all the pannels.

[allanp]

price per piece I've haven't really noticed any Technic set be more expensive than it should be because of being licensed. The Arocs and the Unimog at least were both very well priced and even the Technic star wars sets wasn't more than $0.10 per piece. In the Technic line has there ever been any evidence that licencing increases the price by any significant amount?

[Appie]

Excellent point. My estimation is that the set is about 1800 pieces, and there is no way that Lego would try to sell something where almost half the price is liscensing. And, as you point out, liscensing on the Speed Champions sets adds basically nothing to the cost. Either the price is wrong, or we're really missing something here.

If this was a supercar from the studded/half studless era (which were around the 1400 parts), I'd say 1800 would be a good guess. But for a full studless model with a size that rivals the BWE for length and other cars build by people here in this scale? Anything below 2500 parts is unrealistic imo and I totally expect 3000 parts at least tbh.

price per piece I've haven't really noticed any Technic set be more expensive than it should be because of being licensed. The Arocs and the Unimog at least were both very well priced and even the Technic star wars sets wasn't more than $0.10 per piece. In the Technic line has there ever been any evidence that licencing increases the price by any significant amount?

Hardly seen license fees in Technic sets, but going by another poster, Porsche is kind of a fan of licensing fees (RC world). Since this involves a supercar and not utility vehicles like the Mercedes and Volvo models, which can be seen as free advertisement for Mercedes and Volvo utility vehicles, Porsche might demand a fee.

Edited January 29, 2016 by Appie

[Tommy Styrvoky]

maybe this part is used for the selector mechanism for the paddles.