42056 - Porsche Speculation

[deehtha]

I would be surprised if this set does it include a full set of beams in orange. If it is indeed orange, we should also get a fairly complete set of panels as well.

[N-4K0]

If they go with orange, I'd think it would make the most sense to use the standard TLG orange. I mean, if the official Porsche lava orange is as close to TLG's standard red as people say, I'd think they could rather use red instead of introducing lava orange just a few shades away from their own red. Unless that would be one of the demands from Porsche, to have the final color choice spot on.

[RichiPuppy]

The lego red isn't that close, not sure why others have said that.

[N-4K0]

I understood it as not too far off, they might have said just closer to Lego red than Lego orange. I have to look up the lava orange.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Error404

[Paul Boratko]

That Lava Orange is a strange color.. I've seen various photos in different lighting where if you asked me what color it was, I would probably say red, but in other photos it looks a bit more orange..

Edited April 18, 2016 by Paul Boratko

[Lyichir]

Could it be that, in order to drive down the cost for this model, TLG had to increase the number of parts in orange, which results in Volvo with orange handles and Gali with orange accent instead of yellow.

Nope. Doesn't make any sense. Lego already uses orange for plenty of things outside of Technic, so it's not like they're having to spread out the use of a new or rare color or anything like that. The Volvo would not need to use orange parts since those parts are mostly common in other colors like yellow and black, suggesting that the orange handles are purely a stylistic choice (though it IS possible that as new recolors some of those parts might be shared with the Porsche). And in Gali's case, her only orange parts are the old Vorox shells and the large tooth pieces, both of which would surprise me greatly if they appeared in the Porsche (and the latter of which is not a new recolor in the first place).

Edited April 18, 2016 by Lyichir

[aol000xw]

If no PF and price are now confirmed, it is overpriced.

[deehtha]

The orange on the Volvo was addressed in the Volvo thread. On the real machine, those parts are bright orange so people know where it is safe to grab and stand.

[Kman860]

If no PF and price are now confirmed, it is overpriced.

GROSSLY overpriced.

[Emmi]

GROSSLY overpriced.

We have no idea yet how many pieces it will have, what special features, etc. I think it will be well worth its price.

[jgw]

We have no idea yet how many pieces it will have, what special features, etc. I think it will be well worth its price.

Exactly.

You know what I think, is there any set out there that Lego brought out overpriced? It's to early to say it costs to much, we don't know anything apart from the weight and the outside. Something has to make the price high, think of:

-expensive or new parts (rims, panels)

-licenses (it is a fairly new Porsche)

-PF (which I doubt)

-manhours (we've all seen that this set is huge. It is wellshaped and boy look at the mechanics. Think of the time MOCers take for their builds, multiply by 4 to 10, tadaa, lots and lots of manhours.

[Meatman]

Yeah, new molds are not cheap.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Meatman

[Appie]

We have no idea yet how many pieces it will have, what special features, etc. I think it will be well worth its price.

Since nobody reads any of the previous pages apparently, I'll say it again: Yes, we do, 3000 parts.

So ya, well worth the price, especially considering the cost of new panels, rims and Porsche license.

[CM4Sci]

This thing has 3000 parts? Jesus.

[tafkatb]

3000 parts exactly? That's a conveniently round number. Here I figured it would be something more like 2,704.

[Kman860]

I thought it was 2500, in that case it's not that bad.

[Appie]

3000 parts exactly? That's a conveniently round number. Here I figured it would be something more like 2,704.

Of course not exactly 3000, but that's an easier number to use than saying 30xx parts. Much like saying the 42009 has 2600 parts or Arocs having 2800 parts while it's actually a little higher (42009 2606) or a little lower (Arocs 2793).

[Cwetqo]

That's normal price for 3000 part licensed set with no PF. Unimog was 200 euro and 2000 pieces and this is 300 euro and 3000 pieces. Ok, unimog had one S motor, but that's relativly cheap and it does not mean much and, on the other side, porsche will have a lot of new parts.

I'm still sad about PF 2.0, but that's how things are, apparently.

[allanp]

What makes it tricky for the Porsche is that this very same year we have the BWE at nearly 4000 pieces, it also has large new parts which require large, expensive moulds and a little PF for under 300 Euro. So if the Porsche does indeed have no PF, I am ok with that but in order for it to justify it's price it will need some awesome new parts. The wheels and arches look fantastic but it's gonna need more than that for this price. I'm talking lots of new gearbox and drive line parts such as diffs and CVs and wheel "bearings" and steering arms with Ackermann geometry and so on. Not necessarily exact copies of designs we have offered up here at Eurobricks but at least those kinds of parts we've been asking for, from which they make awesome new functions like a sequential gearbox. I would trade 1000 beams and pins (the equivalent of a largish set on it's own) for those parts such as the 5 or 6 different sized clutch gears, new stronger diffs, 8880 style CVs and so on.

Edited April 19, 2016 by allanp

[nerdsforprez]

What makes it tricky for the Porsche is that this very same year we have the BWE at nearly 4000 pieces, it also has large new parts which require large, expensive moulds and a little PF for under 300 Euro.......... I would trade 1000 beams and pins (the equivalent of a largish set on it's own) for those parts such as the 5 or 6 different sized clutch gears, new stronger diffs, 8880 style CVs and so on.

I think that the last statement here might be an important piece to the Porsche Price Puzzle.... or PPP :laugh: -- the PPP might come down to the fact that sets with many pieces, but are more spread out due to large height, length, etc (such as 42009 or the BWE) might contain more pins and 3l axles per the overall piece count of the set than a set with a high number of pieces but is more compact, such as this one (and perhaps less pins and small axles per overall piece count). That would be an interesting thing to examine when the set is released. The question might be phrased such as Does the Porsche have less pins and 3l axles, relative to its overall size, than say 42009 or the BWE?

Also, I recommend perhaps splitting this thread into another topic. One regarding the PPP. Lately that seems to be the only topic of interest on this set, and it is the reason why it is now 50 pages long. Reading the recent posts it is very apparent no one is fully reading or following the post, and all that has really been commented on is the price. The color of the model detoured the conversation into something a little more beneficial, but it quickly diverted back to price. Clearly the price of the model is more important to people than the actual set itself, and IMO therefore deserves its own thread.

[Jim]

I will create a new set topic when there's actual information, so we can keep the speculation and "ranting" about the price in this topic

[drakmin]

That Lava Orange is a strange color.. I've seen various photos in different lighting where if you asked me what color it was, I would probably say red, but in other photos it looks a bit more orange..

Might be auto white balance setting on cameras when comparing outdoor photos with indoor ones. Red and orange surely look different if you switch lighting from 6500 Kelvin to 3000 for example which is pretty much what bad auto white balance might do. (i came to this conclusion since when you google porsche lava orange it seems to look more orange in indoor photos on general)

Edited April 19, 2016 by drakmin

[Ngoc Nguyen]

What if 300 EUR and 3000 pcs are for two separate models in one box.

[Ondra]

What if 300 EUR and 3000 pcs are for two separate models in one box.

Like porsche and caravan?

[Emmi]

No ... more like a Porsche and a Ferrari as someone suggested here a few posts above

Jokes aside, I can't wait for the official reveal. I suppose it will be within 8 weeks from now.