gylman Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 I don't dispute that news media are totally biased in North America. But does anyone pretend it's any different in Europe or UK? If anyone thinks so, they are totally naive. All news are gathered, written, edited, and delivered by humans. Humans are petty beings with brief passions and superfical thought. The noble "fifth estate" is a creation of .... the fifth estate. In fact, journalists (self described) go to school and are indocrinated by their teachers, who have their own petty biases. The "journalists" follow the herd instinct of their peers, and they cannot help but be swayed by the lure of money or the fear of being fired if they say something that pleases someone or offends someone. What I do not believe is that there is some vast conspiracy to control the media. There are no vast conspiracies. But there are a lot of very little people, easily bought and herded in this direction or that. Of course FOX is a joke, but so is CNN. Remember that they had a special deal with Saddam to let them stay in Baghdad and report as long as they did not report too negatively on Iraq. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...757C0A9659C8B63 Of course, the good thing about FOX is that it's a private broadcaster. You don't pay, you don't have to play. Imagine how people must feel to be forced to pay for public broadcasters like BBC and CBC and still have to eat their slanted reporting.
Opproperaar Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) I don't dispute that news media are totally biased in North America.But does anyone pretend it's any different in Europe or UK? If anyone thinks so, they are totally naive. Since I was the only one to tate something about a European news channel on here I think you're referring to me, or perhaps you are to people in general. In any case, I don't blame you, the media in Europe are LESS biased than in North America which is after all relative and doesn't necessarily mean they're NOT biased, there's indeed a difference, and as I said in one of my previous posts, I have noticed faults too in one of our own Belgian channels. Mistakes concerning source checking. In any case, I usually tend to not trust media as far as I can throw them and people who give any news agency their FULL trust tend to be very misinformed. You must indeed be quite naieve to think any news is noway biased. Just to reiterate: listening to all sides of the political spectrum, watching all different winged news channels and checking with as much (foreign) other, independent news sources you can find and have access to is usually a good way of finding out as much as you can. Obviously, knowing more than one language can only be beneficial, :-P I do think that BBC is LESS biased than FOX, though basically any news agency/channel would be. :-| Edited October 31, 2007 by Hairy Ruben
gylman Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 My perspective is that the BBC is an echo chamber for left-wing ideology. It no longer represents the average englishman's perspective on modern British life. It trades on past glory, but you can only do that for so long. It had a great history, but it was totally taken over by the left wing in the 1970's and beyond. It's hysterically anti-American, anti-Israeli, anti-Western. When I see a BBC editorial pushing for a referendum on Britain joining the EU, I'll believe that the BBC has an ounce of integrity left. Or..... maybe I'm wrong. 8-| Me, I get my news from both sides. Obviosly I'm more on the right wing side of things, though not quite ready for Ron Paul :-P, but I hang out regularly at a couple of lefty forums too. Once in a while they surprise me favourably.
Opproperaar Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Obviosly I'm more on the right wing side of things, though not quite ready for Ron Paul :-P, but I hang out regularly at a couple of lefty forums too. Once in a while they surprise me favourably. I kinda figured by your very first reaction in this topic. This kind of stupid politically correct nonesense occurs anywhere. All it takes is some lunatic teacher with communist ideas who is pissed off that the cold war is over and communism lost. In my city (Toronto, Canada) the left wing leanings of the teacher unions, and many teachers, are beyond belief. In the past, many openly campaigned for the Communist party, when one existed. These people are self-brainwashed to the point of delusionality, and they bring their ridiculous ideas that fail in real life into the classroom to try to brainwash children.Great to be a communist believer if you have never lived under communism. But, it's not like I feel strongly about this or anything. .... :-X Leaves little to the imagination :-D Just one note, even though I'm myself am a center right (not to the point where you could call me conservative, more democratic, liberal person, (yeah go figure) I find the notion that any side won te cold war quite ridiculous as is proven by common sense. Nobody 'won' the Cold War. No matter the outcome nobody could've won, either we would've nuked the hell out of each other and all be dead which isn't good for the party mood or we would've kept on going forever. Communism collapsed because of some faults within the system, that's like running a one on one marathon and having the other guy get shot by a fan after which he collapses and you stop alltogether claiming you've won even though you haven't even reached the finish. :-P It's not like capitalism is flawless, but then again, even though I say these things doessn't mean I'm a socialist, I a liberal center right person. Sort of a mix between a democrat and a republican. :-D
Hinckley Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 You talk as if you actually have a point. You guys can discuss this respectfully and not start insulting one another. SW4J already warned you about this, so please knock it off. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you have to discuss political differences on this LEGO forum, it will be done in a friendly manner or the thread will be locked. Thanks ;-)
trooperdavinfelth Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 You guys can discuss this respectfully and not start insulting one another. SW4J already warned you about this, so please knock it off. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you have to discuss political differences on this LEGO forum, it will be done in a friendly manner or the thread will be locked.Thanks ;-) Fair enough. I surely didn't mean any harm, as when he saw my post and didn't return fire that showed that he took no offense. And, I never fired back to try and insult him since that was never my intention. :-) One question, though, and mind you, I might be missing something big here, but why, in the thread title, are Legos referred to as Capitalist? Maybe I missed something in the vid, but if not, could there be a deeper reason? 8-
Starwars4J Posted November 1, 2007 Author Posted November 1, 2007 I might be missing something big here, but why, in the thread title, are Legos referred to as Capitalist? Maybe I missed something in the vid, but if not, could there be a deeper reason? 8-
gylman Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 I kinda figured by your very first reaction in this topic.Leaves little to the imagination :-D Just one note, even though I'm myself am a center right (not to the point where you could call me conservative, more democratic, liberal person, (yeah go figure) I find the notion that any side won te cold war quite ridiculous as is proven by common sense. Nobody 'won' the Cold War. No matter the outcome nobody could've won, either we would've nuked the hell out of each other and all be dead which isn't good for the party mood or we would've kept on going forever. Communism collapsed because of some faults within the system, that's like running a one on one marathon and having the other guy get shot by a fan after which he collapses and you stop alltogether claiming you've won even though you haven't even reached the finish. :-P It's not like capitalism is flawless, but then again, even though I say these things doessn't mean I'm a socialist, I a liberal center right person. Sort of a mix between a democrat and a republican. :-D Sure, if you define winning that way, then there was no winner in the cold war. And capitalism, and democracy too, are far from flawless. But I would submit there are no other viable and sustainable means to run a society that actually can be reconciled with the inherently selfish and clannish nature of humans, and which does not limit personal liberty to a degree than anyone in the West today would regard as intolerable.
Opproperaar Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Sure, if you define winning that way, then there was no winner in the cold war. And capitalism, and democracy too, are far from flawless. But I would submit there are no other viable and sustainable means to run a society that actually can be reconciled with the inherently selfish and clannish nature of humans, and which does not limit personal liberty to a degree than anyone in the West today would regard as intolerable. Communism is quite naieve. The main idea is, everybody's poor, but everybody has what he/she needs: a car, a house, a doctor so why would there be injustice? Everybody is equal. In theory that works. In practice, human nature comes into play and basically ruins the entire idea. Humans always want to be above somebody else, be in a position of power and rule. Social classes will still find a way to emerge. Democracy can be flawed too. Hitler after all rose to opwer in a completely legit way. And framing an election (as long as you have the means) isn't too hard either. Capitalism IMO isn't durable. At least not the way we're doing it now. If we could find a way to do it with less to no impact on the planet so we can sustain ourselves, that'd be great, the way it's going now, seriously needs changing. But communism collapsed because of the faults within its OWN system. Because of its own flaws. If during a marathon a guy collapses cause of a heart attack, are you gonna say you've won? Fact is that capitalism is still with us today because it isn't flawed the way communism was. It doesn't piss people off all that much, but it isn't perfect either, ... And to anybody doubting, I am in fact a liberal center right person. I'm not communist. :-P :-D
trooperdavinfelth Posted November 1, 2007 Posted November 1, 2007 Supposedly the Lego were referred to by the school as causing the children to behave in a capitalist manner. It really was the purpose of the entire video, and was mentioned again and again...you did watch it, right? :-P Yeah, it's just been so long... X-D Anyways, it's just gone out of control. 'Nuff said.
AgentRick Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) The school banned our favorite brick, as they think it promotes communism, and the children horde the good bricks for themselves. Plus they said "Legos" :-X . Too much to handle. Edited January 18, 2008 by AgentRick57
Siegfried Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 The school banned our favorite brick, as they think it promotes communism, and the children horde the good bricks for themselves. Plus they said "Legos" :-X . Too much to handle. Old news mate.. so I merged your topic with the old one. *sweet*
blueandwhite Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 I'm not sure what I find more disturbing; the abusrd behaviour of the school or the unsettling comments of the many Youtube viewers who can't seem to finish a statement without typing in several profanities or even death threats. It's really sad that pop journalism can bring out such animosity in people. The generalizations and hate speach that bad journalism generates is absolutely terrifying! Heck, the whole thing looks more like a publicity stunt than an actual movement towards socialist schooling in Seatle. The way the segment plays it up though, you would think that every school in America is like this! Really, I'm always a bit uncomfortable when things like this get dragged up because they seem to bring out the worst in our community.
john cleese Posted January 18, 2008 Posted January 18, 2008 It's really sad that pop journalism can bring out such animosity in people. The generalizations and hate speach that bad journalism generates is absolutely terrifying! Heck, the whole thing looks more like a publicity stunt than an actual movement towards socialist schooling in Seatle. The way the segment plays it up though, you would think that every school in America is like this!Really, I'm always a bit uncomfortable when things like this get dragged up because they seem to bring out the worst in our community. ya, it's called fox news, where have you been in the last 10 years? :-D
SlyOwl Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 Hmm...they seemed to have a lot of Lego - surely there's enough to go round? Anyway, sharing Lego never works - there are never enough parts and if you build at a desk e.t.c there's no way it will ever work! These idiots are probably legally skitzofrentic! Legolly skitzofrenic :-P I love the so-called "journalist's" mocking tone of voice as he's talking. I thought it was just an American accent. X-D SlyOwl
Lt. Veers Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I don't know what what's more rediculous: The LEGO ban or the channel it is on! :-D
Lord Of Pies Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I thought it was just an American accent. X-D SlyOwl Me too! 8-| I find it rather absurd, the schools behaviour. I wouldn't be surprised if the children started building the "Union of Soviet Socialist Bricks", complete with the soon-to-be Lego Soviet soldiers patrolling the streets!
Hinckley Posted January 19, 2008 Posted January 19, 2008 I don't know what what's more rediculous: The LEGO ban or the channel it is on! :-D That is a very hard choice to make... :-/ They're both abundantly stupid.
hollisbrick Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 hmm i dont know whats worst, horrible yet true comments on youtube or the word "legos" which the video uses? :-| :-/
JINZONINGEN73 Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 And I couldn't help but notice they said 'Legos' but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the plural of 'Lego' Lego? :-P And if I'm worng, didn't TLC release a statment saying they didn't want to be referred to as 'legos' but 'lego toys' or lego products'? :-P It was something more complex, like "Lego connective system module of potential expansion bricks". But, just to piss'em off, I call them Legos. I'll add a pointless apostrophe in if I'm really trying to be a rat bastard after someone tries to correct me. :-D
Cardinal Brick Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 Now what the children really need is a five year plan and production targets. So in a few years their teachers can announce "Comrades we have increased the output of all pieces in the vital colour green! Which has lead to a great increase in the quality of the housing stock" All that remains is for the appointment of a Commissar of Lego Bricks and the formation of the Cheka to make sure everyone follows the plan.
Brickadier General Posted January 20, 2008 Posted January 20, 2008 The ban is stupid. Rules in a school over use of them is not stupid. However, to say that every piece used belongs to everyone is stupid. I also noticed in the video how they spliced footage of an AFOL train event with the footage. "Children built buildings like these." No, not exactly. If they're going to use that kind of footage, then they need to at least specify where it came from.
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